Maybe you should start a band Sebastian :-P
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I don't get this thing about playing below his limits. On SHA, Brian had constructed the solo in his head, and it was as part of a song. It wasn't his intention to play way more notes than he usually did in a solo, it was to do something relatively new at the time (33 years ago mind you!) If there are limits that people should be reaching, then we could pick apart every song by every artist. For instance, Stone Cold Crazy is 248 BPM. Did Roger play below his limits on It's Late, or Sweet Lady, because he could play faster than he did on SCC? It's like the quote in the movie Amadeus when someone tells Mozart his piece has too many notes, and he smiles and asks the person which ones they would take out. Queen always played for the song, and virtually always put their talents aside for the good of the song.
> Maybe you should start a band Sebastian :-P
I'm too selfish for that. Plus I wouldn't be able to find the time.
> On SHA, Brian had constructed the solo in his head, and it was as part of a song.
It could have been even earlier but I get your point.
> It wasn't his intention to play way more notes than he usually did in a solo, it was to do something relatively new at the time (33 years ago mind you!)
Yes and no. I don't think we'll ever know his intention, plus that wasn't THAT new IMO. On the other hand, the way he arranged it was rather original, but my "complaint" is that he could have done it better (especially the studio version). I think he used 80-85% of his skills there (or less), and that's not quite the Brian I'm used to listen.
> For instance, Stone Cold Crazy is 248 BPM. Did Roger play below his limits on It's Late, or Sweet Lady, because he could play faster than he did on SCC?
I don't think "limits" are restricted to "tempo". And a solo/interlude is different to a rhythm section of a song. Many times Brian did loads with just some few notes (e.g. 'Jealousy') and that was brill. The way he sets the mood in 'Days Of Our Lives' is extraordinary, and his gentle solo on 'Too Much Love' (BTTL version) is ace. But, in MY opinion, 'Brighton Rock' had the potential to have MORE than it did, and to be explored FURTHER. Brian simply stayed in his comfort zone for that one, which is A LITTLE disappointing for me. That said, I don't mean the solo is bad or mediocre or easy or oversimplified, I just mean it's below his limits, and it HAD/HAS the potential to be pushed BEYOND them.
I'm too selfish for that. Plus I wouldn't be able to find the time.
> On SHA, Brian had constructed the solo in his head, and it was as part of a song.
It could have been even earlier but I get your point.
> It wasn't his intention to play way more notes than he usually did in a solo, it was to do something relatively new at the time (33 years ago mind you!)
Yes and no. I don't think we'll ever know his intention, plus that wasn't THAT new IMO. On the other hand, the way he arranged it was rather original, but my "complaint" is that he could have done it better (especially the studio version). I think he used 80-85% of his skills there (or less), and that's not quite the Brian I'm used to listen.
> For instance, Stone Cold Crazy is 248 BPM. Did Roger play below his limits on It's Late, or Sweet Lady, because he could play faster than he did on SCC?
I don't think "limits" are restricted to "tempo". And a solo/interlude is different to a rhythm section of a song. Many times Brian did loads with just some few notes (e.g. 'Jealousy') and that was brill. The way he sets the mood in 'Days Of Our Lives' is extraordinary, and his gentle solo on 'Too Much Love' (BTTL version) is ace. But, in MY opinion, 'Brighton Rock' had the potential to have MORE than it did, and to be explored FURTHER. Brian simply stayed in his comfort zone for that one, which is A LITTLE disappointing for me. That said, I don't mean the solo is bad or mediocre or easy or oversimplified, I just mean it's below his limits, and it HAD/HAS the potential to be pushed BEYOND them.
Goddamn!!
So someone says the solo 'could be better'... you know, theoretically, if there is a 'best' Brian solo, then 'could be better' would apply to all the rest of them.
Christ o' mighty.... Sebastian has a point. The scales in Brighton Rock aren't out of this world. Compared to a few of Brian's other arrangements, Brighton Rock is peanuts! I think.
This doesn't lessen the song, this doesn't make for a personal attack on Queen. "could be better" does not mean "this sucks".
Fucking hell!
So someone says the solo 'could be better'... you know, theoretically, if there is a 'best' Brian solo, then 'could be better' would apply to all the rest of them.
Christ o' mighty.... Sebastian has a point. The scales in Brighton Rock aren't out of this world. Compared to a few of Brian's other arrangements, Brighton Rock is peanuts! I think.
This doesn't lessen the song, this doesn't make for a personal attack on Queen. "could be better" does not mean "this sucks".
Fucking hell!
That's a fair comment Sebastian, I just feel that criteria could be applied to everything in the world. They say a song or piece of art is never finished, it's just put out to the world for their enjoyment.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I can play that with my cock.
Try Malmsteen's violin etude.
Now THAT'S hard and way more complex.
Never really liked the solo on the original version... and hated the live solo, all the way.[/QUOTE]
Malmsteen....please....he cant play guitar for shit, he has no feeling what so ever. you only have to look at his face whilst playing to see that. just a million notes a second for the sake of it. all theoretical and technical. Nothing real or organic.
Try Malmsteen's violin etude.
Now THAT'S hard and way more complex.
Never really liked the solo on the original version... and hated the live solo, all the way.[/QUOTE]
Malmsteen....please....he cant play guitar for shit, he has no feeling what so ever. you only have to look at his face whilst playing to see that. just a million notes a second for the sake of it. all theoretical and technical. Nothing real or organic.
Yngwie is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE than JUST technique.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Brian-Harold-May wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I can play that with my cock.
Try Malmsteen's violin etude.
Now THAT'S hard and way more complex.
Never really liked the solo on the original version... and hated the live solo, all the way.[/QUOTE]
Malmsteen....please....he cant play guitar for shit, he has no feeling what so ever. you only have to look at his face whilst playing to see that. just a million notes a second for the sake of it. all theoretical and technical. Nothing real or organic.[/QUOTE]Yngwie fucking Malmsteen is the feeling itself. Almost no one else can play with so much passion and emotion.
And his music is really hard to play... so that makes him a fucking guitar god above the 95% of the other guitarist. Plus, his arrangements are great and the harmonic content is excellent.
Icarus Dream Suite is a great example. The guitar part that goes from 0:52 to 2:28 is FUCKING AMAZING.
His intonation is perfect, his vibrato is out of this world, his phrasing is wonderful. AND THE MUSIC IS FUCKING GREAT
What else could you ask from any other man? Amazing music, perfect performance. It doesn't get any better.
You rather something else than Yngwie? It's ok, we're not suppossed to like the same things... but saying that he can't play for shit, it's not ignorant but insane. You should be locked in a cage.
BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT NO ONE CAN BEAT THE GUITAR PLAYER FROM TREASURE MOMENT
WHAT WAS HIS NAME AGAIN?? APOLLO CREED?
Try Malmsteen's violin etude.
Now THAT'S hard and way more complex.
Never really liked the solo on the original version... and hated the live solo, all the way.[/QUOTE]
Malmsteen....please....he cant play guitar for shit, he has no feeling what so ever. you only have to look at his face whilst playing to see that. just a million notes a second for the sake of it. all theoretical and technical. Nothing real or organic.[/QUOTE]Yngwie fucking Malmsteen is the feeling itself. Almost no one else can play with so much passion and emotion.
And his music is really hard to play... so that makes him a fucking guitar god above the 95% of the other guitarist. Plus, his arrangements are great and the harmonic content is excellent.
Icarus Dream Suite is a great example. The guitar part that goes from 0:52 to 2:28 is FUCKING AMAZING.
His intonation is perfect, his vibrato is out of this world, his phrasing is wonderful. AND THE MUSIC IS FUCKING GREAT
What else could you ask from any other man? Amazing music, perfect performance. It doesn't get any better.
You rather something else than Yngwie? It's ok, we're not suppossed to like the same things... but saying that he can't play for shit, it's not ignorant but insane. You should be locked in a cage.
BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT NO ONE CAN BEAT THE GUITAR PLAYER FROM TREASURE MOMENT
WHAT WAS HIS NAME AGAIN?? APOLLO CREED?
damn, you really are stupid.
I'm so sorry I can't make shitty rap music like you.
I won't be able to sleep at night.
I won't be able to sleep at night.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's like the quote in the movie Amadeus when someone tells Mozart his piece has too many notes, and he smiles and asks the person which ones they would take out. [/QUOTE]Actually, it's the opposite. In that scene, Mozart feels like he's doing his best and people doesn't apreciate it.
This is different, what Sebastian said is that Brian could do something better. Maybe not more complex, maybe not more fast, maybe not with more or less delays... but the solo itself, it's not a great one. Brian can do MUCH better than that.
And it's ok, we all kinda like the solo... some do more, some do less. But I think we should agree that Brighton Rock is far below Brian's limits. It's not an amazing piece of work either.
A nice solo with delays, creating the multi layer thing. But certainly not the masterpiece that some people think it is.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen always played for the song, and virtually always put their talents aside for the good of the song. [/QUOTE]If they put their talents aside, any song would be shit. They do put their talents, otherwise they would suck and so would their songs. The thing about Queen is that as they got more complex and pompous... they got better! They knew how to do it when they had to.
As the years went by, they got more lazy and stupid. Nowadays, Dr Wigs and his partner-in-crime Mr Bulldog-face think that playing Tie Your Mother Down and Fat Bottomed Girls represents Queen.
This is different, what Sebastian said is that Brian could do something better. Maybe not more complex, maybe not more fast, maybe not with more or less delays... but the solo itself, it's not a great one. Brian can do MUCH better than that.
And it's ok, we all kinda like the solo... some do more, some do less. But I think we should agree that Brighton Rock is far below Brian's limits. It's not an amazing piece of work either.
A nice solo with delays, creating the multi layer thing. But certainly not the masterpiece that some people think it is.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen always played for the song, and virtually always put their talents aside for the good of the song. [/QUOTE]If they put their talents aside, any song would be shit. They do put their talents, otherwise they would suck and so would their songs. The thing about Queen is that as they got more complex and pompous... they got better! They knew how to do it when they had to.
As the years went by, they got more lazy and stupid. Nowadays, Dr Wigs and his partner-in-crime Mr Bulldog-face think that playing Tie Your Mother Down and Fat Bottomed Girls represents Queen.
LOL, Mr Bulldog-face, I'm gonna steal that nick...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No, my cock is like half a plectrum... but thinner.[/QUOTE]
Well now, is it in Flac or Mp3?
Please upload anyway!
Well now, is it in Flac or Mp3?
Please upload anyway!
You could ask Steve Howe.
Memory fails me so I'll agree with your interpretation on the Mozart scene, VSS. When I say they put their talents aside, I mean "guitar hero", "drum hero" talents, etc. If Yngwie Malmsteen were in Queen, a song like Who Needs You would have a ripping 32 bar classically influenced solo, just so we would know he had the chops. Brian wasn't that type of player, Freddie didn't do the Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston thing of extending one note for four bars to prove he had vocal power, and Roger didn't need to have amazing fills in every song to show off his skills. So when I say they didn't reveal their talents, I mean in a show offy, virtuoso sense.