[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<h5><b><font color="green">BradBjorkman wrote: [/QUOTENAMEWhy spread an inferior recording when a better one could be spread just as easily?[/QUOTE]... don't ask such difficult questions, please... ;-)
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<h5><b><font color="green">BradBjorkman wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i really wish you would all stop whining about flac
if someone had a really really rare concert in a lossy format, would you let him share it? [/QUOTE]
Here's the logic behind the FLAC push:
You can convert FLAC to MP3 for personal use, and you lose sound quality. For many people, myself included, the difference in sound quality between a 320kpbs MP3 and a FLAC file is negligible enough that this is an acceptable tradeoff.
You can convert MP3 to FLAC, but you can't restore the data that was lost. Essentially, all you're doing by making an MP3 into a FLAC is making a really, really big MP3 file, complete with the lower sound quality.
If you upload FLAC files, downloaders have a choice between the lower quality and smaller file sizes or the higher quality that requires a second hard drive or *lots* of CDs.
If you upload MP3s, that decision has been taken out of the downloader's hands, and they are stuck with the inferior quality file when a better version may be available.
Follow the logic there?
if someone had a really really rare concert in a lossy format, would you let him share it? [/QUOTE]
Here's the logic behind the FLAC push:
You can convert FLAC to MP3 for personal use, and you lose sound quality. For many people, myself included, the difference in sound quality between a 320kpbs MP3 and a FLAC file is negligible enough that this is an acceptable tradeoff.
You can convert MP3 to FLAC, but you can't restore the data that was lost. Essentially, all you're doing by making an MP3 into a FLAC is making a really, really big MP3 file, complete with the lower sound quality.
If you upload FLAC files, downloaders have a choice between the lower quality and smaller file sizes or the higher quality that requires a second hard drive or *lots* of CDs.
If you upload MP3s, that decision has been taken out of the downloader's hands, and they are stuck with the inferior quality file when a better version may be available.
Follow the logic there?
It would serve all Queen fans if there is a dedicated mp3 site and a dedicated lossless site...you can't have both together at one
In the future the whole issue of flac being larger than mp3 seems silly...
Do not laugh at those who take the effort to presevere lossless recordings...it's pretty hard as it is anyways... Some of us will be thankfull later...
In the future the whole issue of flac being larger than mp3 seems silly...
Do not laugh at those who take the effort to presevere lossless recordings...it's pretty hard as it is anyways... Some of us will be thankfull later...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Loser In The End wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Wilki Amieva wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Loser In The End wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...an LP is useally pretty lossless...analog even! So with the right software you can make a perfect 'lossless' A/D convertion...[/QUOTE]
...You're missing the WHOLE POINT here - that is that the tracks do NOT come from an LP. These are just the regular mp3s, but cut and converted to FLAC.[/QUOTE]
That's not what BBC sessions wrote...he(she?) wrote that 'something went wrong with the transfer from LP'...
So my POINT is that an LP itself is lossless...and I was just asking if BBC Sessions could extract the LP in lossless flacs (if I can do that...why can't someone else...?)[/QUOTE]
OIC. ...So you still believe the LP story. Well...
...You're missing the WHOLE POINT here - that is that the tracks do NOT come from an LP. These are just the regular mp3s, but cut and converted to FLAC.[/QUOTE]
That's not what BBC sessions wrote...he(she?) wrote that 'something went wrong with the transfer from LP'...
So my POINT is that an LP itself is lossless...and I was just asking if BBC Sessions could extract the LP in lossless flacs (if I can do that...why can't someone else...?)[/QUOTE]
OIC. ...So you still believe the LP story. Well...
hi please ca i get a seed on this thanks so much guys
I used to have very clean versions of the SHA and NOTW sessions. I lost them :(
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[b]leoslayer wrote: [/b]
hi please ca i get a seed on this thanks so much guys[/QUOTE]
Have you ever read the whole thread?
I'm quite sure you didn't.
[b]leoslayer wrote: [/b]
hi please ca i get a seed on this thanks so much guys[/QUOTE]
Have you ever read the whole thread?
I'm quite sure you didn't.
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[b]Rick wrote: [/b]
I used to have very clean versions of the SHA and NOTW sessions. I lost them :([/QUOTE]
FLAC or MP3?
[b]Rick wrote: [/b]
I used to have very clean versions of the SHA and NOTW sessions. I lost them :([/QUOTE]
FLAC or MP3?
See What A Fool I've Been
Keep Yourself Alive
Liar
Son And Daughter
Spread Your Wings
It's Late
My Melancholy Blues
We Will Rock You (slow~fast)
I have these ones (sessions 2 and 6) from "From The Beeb To Tokyo" bootleg. The files are lossless without any doubt and sound certainly better than the "As It Began" bootleg.
Sessions 1 and 3 have been officially released on "Queen At The Beeb" and "Queen At The BBC".
Session 5 is available in lossless form in the "As It Began" bootleg (while probably a bit processed). Even if the quality could be better, I don't think a better version of this session circulates. I also have some really crappy mp3s that have circulated for years on the hub but nothing else has appeared yet.
Session 4 is the more problematic:
- Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll is lossless on "As It Began" and I don't think a better version circulates.
- The March Of The Black Queen is the same as the album version.
- Nevermore and White Queen are unfortunately lossy on "As It Began" and I think unfortunately that these are the best versions that circulated.
So most of the BBC sessions tracks are circulating in lossless form. I'm sure we could find better recordings of sessions 4 and 5 but the other sessions have a great sound. Obviously, the most wanted tracks are lossless versions of Nevermore and White Queen (this one is so much better than the Queen II version in my opinion...).
If people want me to share the BBC sessions tracks from the "From the Beeb To Tokyo" bootleg, I'll certainly do this.
Keep Yourself Alive
Liar
Son And Daughter
Spread Your Wings
It's Late
My Melancholy Blues
We Will Rock You (slow~fast)
I have these ones (sessions 2 and 6) from "From The Beeb To Tokyo" bootleg. The files are lossless without any doubt and sound certainly better than the "As It Began" bootleg.
Sessions 1 and 3 have been officially released on "Queen At The Beeb" and "Queen At The BBC".
Session 5 is available in lossless form in the "As It Began" bootleg (while probably a bit processed). Even if the quality could be better, I don't think a better version of this session circulates. I also have some really crappy mp3s that have circulated for years on the hub but nothing else has appeared yet.
Session 4 is the more problematic:
- Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll is lossless on "As It Began" and I don't think a better version circulates.
- The March Of The Black Queen is the same as the album version.
- Nevermore and White Queen are unfortunately lossy on "As It Began" and I think unfortunately that these are the best versions that circulated.
So most of the BBC sessions tracks are circulating in lossless form. I'm sure we could find better recordings of sessions 4 and 5 but the other sessions have a great sound. Obviously, the most wanted tracks are lossless versions of Nevermore and White Queen (this one is so much better than the Queen II version in my opinion...).
If people want me to share the BBC sessions tracks from the "From the Beeb To Tokyo" bootleg, I'll certainly do this.
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[b]little foetus wrote: [/b]
See What A Fool I've Been
Keep Yourself Alive
Liar
Son And Daughter
Spread Your Wings
It's Late
My Melancholy Blues
We Will Rock You (slow~fast)
I have these ones (sessions 2 and 6) from "From The Beeb To Tokyo" bootleg. The files are lossless without any doubt and sound certainly better than the "As It Began" bootleg.
Sessions 1 and 3 have been officially released on "Queen At The Beeb" and "Queen At The BBC".
Session 5 is available in lossless form in the "As It Began" bootleg (while probably a bit processed). Even if the quality could be better, I don't think a better version of this session circulates. I also have some really crappy mp3s that have circulated for years on the hub but nothing else has appeared yet.
Session 4 is the more problematic:
- Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll is lossless on "As It Began" and I don't think a better version circulates.
- The March Of The Black Queen is the same as the album version.
- Nevermore and White Queen are unfortunately lossy on "As It Began" and I think unfortunately that these are the best versions that circulated.
So most of the BBC sessions tracks are circulating in lossless form. I'm sure we could find better recordings of sessions 4 and 5 but the other sessions have a great sound. Obviously, the most wanted tracks are lossless versions of Nevermore and White Queen (this one is so much better than the Queen II version in my opinion...).
If people want me to share the BBC sessions tracks from the "From the Beeb To Tokyo" bootleg, I'll certainly do this.
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Hi,
could you please share your version of Rock'n'Roll ? I have 2 versions - 1 is excellent, but mp3. The other is lossless, but with really crappy sound.
Nevermore and White Queen - I have again mp3s which sound better than my flac files. Could you share you versions ?
Maybe we could with joined forces create a definitive version of the BBC sessions ?
[b]little foetus wrote: [/b]
See What A Fool I've Been
Keep Yourself Alive
Liar
Son And Daughter
Spread Your Wings
It's Late
My Melancholy Blues
We Will Rock You (slow~fast)
I have these ones (sessions 2 and 6) from "From The Beeb To Tokyo" bootleg. The files are lossless without any doubt and sound certainly better than the "As It Began" bootleg.
Sessions 1 and 3 have been officially released on "Queen At The Beeb" and "Queen At The BBC".
Session 5 is available in lossless form in the "As It Began" bootleg (while probably a bit processed). Even if the quality could be better, I don't think a better version of this session circulates. I also have some really crappy mp3s that have circulated for years on the hub but nothing else has appeared yet.
Session 4 is the more problematic:
- Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll is lossless on "As It Began" and I don't think a better version circulates.
- The March Of The Black Queen is the same as the album version.
- Nevermore and White Queen are unfortunately lossy on "As It Began" and I think unfortunately that these are the best versions that circulated.
So most of the BBC sessions tracks are circulating in lossless form. I'm sure we could find better recordings of sessions 4 and 5 but the other sessions have a great sound. Obviously, the most wanted tracks are lossless versions of Nevermore and White Queen (this one is so much better than the Queen II version in my opinion...).
If people want me to share the BBC sessions tracks from the "From the Beeb To Tokyo" bootleg, I'll certainly do this.
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Hi,
could you please share your version of Rock'n'Roll ? I have 2 versions - 1 is excellent, but mp3. The other is lossless, but with really crappy sound.
Nevermore and White Queen - I have again mp3s which sound better than my flac files. Could you share you versions ?
Maybe we could with joined forces create a definitive version of the BBC sessions ?
Well, my Modern Times Rock N'Roll file is basically the one which was shared in the "As It Began" topic. Is it this one which sounds crappy to your ears?
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[b]little foetus wrote: [/b]
Well, my Modern Times Rock N'Roll file is basically the one which was shared in the "As It Began" topic. Is it this one which sounds crappy to your ears?
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I don't know, I don't remember hearing it, I have had the "Complete BBC Session 73-77" but I'm not sure about "As It Began"
[b]little foetus wrote: [/b]
Well, my Modern Times Rock N'Roll file is basically the one which was shared in the "As It Began" topic. Is it this one which sounds crappy to your ears?
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I don't know, I don't remember hearing it, I have had the "Complete BBC Session 73-77" but I'm not sure about "As It Began"
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[b]Alex Solan. wrote: [/b]
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[b]Rick wrote: [/b]
I used to have very clean versions of the SHA and NOTW sessions. I lost them :(
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FLAC or MP3?
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I believe they were lossless. Bob sent them to me some years ago (together with the pre-LP version of the Rainbow March 1974 show on 1 CD, which was still very rare at that point). If my mind serves me well, they were sourced from tapes and not from silvers.
[b]Alex Solan. wrote: [/b]
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[b]Rick wrote: [/b]
I used to have very clean versions of the SHA and NOTW sessions. I lost them :(
[/QUOTE]
FLAC or MP3?
[/QUOTE]
I believe they were lossless. Bob sent them to me some years ago (together with the pre-LP version of the Rainbow March 1974 show on 1 CD, which was still very rare at that point). If my mind serves me well, they were sourced from tapes and not from silvers.
Ahh yes, I've got these somewhere... it's been years since I listened to them.
It's the 1974 session with Bob Harris' commentary - but not all of it. The songs are there, but some of the commentary is edited out for some reason. Maybe there was more than one broadcast, and the later one(s) were edited? But I do have other copies of the songs with the missing commentary, but they're just mp3s.
Why are some collectors still sitting on the best copies of the BBC sessions? They're not exactly the holy grail. It's 2009 folks, and nobody likes a hoarder anymore in the information age. Let's get the material out there for everyone to enjoy. Plenty has been shared for you this year (namely Boston 76 and even a Sun City 84 soundboard tape), so maybe it's time for some of these Queen collectors to chip in...
It's the 1974 session with Bob Harris' commentary - but not all of it. The songs are there, but some of the commentary is edited out for some reason. Maybe there was more than one broadcast, and the later one(s) were edited? But I do have other copies of the songs with the missing commentary, but they're just mp3s.
Why are some collectors still sitting on the best copies of the BBC sessions? They're not exactly the holy grail. It's 2009 folks, and nobody likes a hoarder anymore in the information age. Let's get the material out there for everyone to enjoy. Plenty has been shared for you this year (namely Boston 76 and even a Sun City 84 soundboard tape), so maybe it's time for some of these Queen collectors to chip in...
Who knows who has what... for example I remember I got the NOTW sessions back in 2000 or something... in MP3 format. We didn't care about FLAC at that time. I'm sure it happened with other sessions and other collectors too.