I agree however I feel this way about the people obsessed with any one member as they can be frustrating in not recognizing the GROUP that was Queen. There are some who manage to be obsessed and still realize that there was more than one member contributing to the band, they are alright. :P
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Whew! I was beginning to feel decidedly unwelcome. My Freddie, "obsession," came, unfortunately, after his death, as did my general obsession with Queen, as a group. Though I grew up listening to them, I am only now finding out more about them. I find them, as musicians, artists, and, human beings, extremely interesting.
I must confess, however, that what first drew me to Queen were the amazing melodies, and, what initially drew my attention to those melodies was the voice of Mr Mercury.
I admit that I have little interest in Queen+ Paul Rodgers--the magic just isn't there, for me.
It seems that is an unpopular feeling here.[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>QUEEN OBSESSED wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I agree however I feel this way about the people obsessed with any one member as they can be frustrating in not recognizing the GROUP that was Queen. There are some who manage to be obsessed and still realize that there was more than one member contributing to the band, they are alright. :P[/QUOTE]
I must confess, however, that what first drew me to Queen were the amazing melodies, and, what initially drew my attention to those melodies was the voice of Mr Mercury.
I admit that I have little interest in Queen+ Paul Rodgers--the magic just isn't there, for me.
It seems that is an unpopular feeling here.[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>QUEEN OBSESSED wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I agree however I feel this way about the people obsessed with any one member as they can be frustrating in not recognizing the GROUP that was Queen. There are some who manage to be obsessed and still realize that there was more than one member contributing to the band, they are alright. :P[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Cedric6014 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]ANYway, I think one of them actually said that Queen were greater than the sum of their parts. I have heard one of Freddie's solo albums and I own two of Rogers. They are all terrible. I haven't heard any of Brian's but I suspect that his are shite too. Okay musucianship, but no soul, no decent pop hooks - nothing for people to latch on to. If Freddie was the life and soul of Queen I would have thought that his solo efforts woud have done much better.
Individually they are awesome, creative musicians, but it seems that they had some amazing chemistry as a band that really allowed them to produce fantiastic songs.
I think that the "Sound of Queen" is not Freddie's vocals or Brians guitar, but perhapsthe vocal harmonies they produced - very distinctive, and relied on Roger Freddie and Brian. I think all four of them were critical to the success of Queen.
And despite what someone said earlier about Freddie writing 10 out of 17 of their hits, I think they all had considerable input into each other's songs. I think almost all of their songs were a musical collaboration. I remember reading that Freddie said that whoever wrote the lyrics got the credit. They changed their minds about this in the late 80s when they realised that all four contributions were equally as important - hence the credit to "Queen".
I better put in a word for John here: Freddie may have written Body Language, and Roger have written A Kind of Magic but John put down the baseline which MADE those songs.
[/QUOTE] I agree about roger's solo stuff, but your missing out on some hidden gems with freddie and brian. The one album you should check out is Freddie's Barcelona CD, it's a brilliant mixture of pop and opera. One of the best albums I'v ever heard!... MY feeling towards Barcelona is the same way Sebastion feels about brian's back to the light... those are the two solo efforts every queen fan should check out.
Individually they are awesome, creative musicians, but it seems that they had some amazing chemistry as a band that really allowed them to produce fantiastic songs.
I think that the "Sound of Queen" is not Freddie's vocals or Brians guitar, but perhapsthe vocal harmonies they produced - very distinctive, and relied on Roger Freddie and Brian. I think all four of them were critical to the success of Queen.
And despite what someone said earlier about Freddie writing 10 out of 17 of their hits, I think they all had considerable input into each other's songs. I think almost all of their songs were a musical collaboration. I remember reading that Freddie said that whoever wrote the lyrics got the credit. They changed their minds about this in the late 80s when they realised that all four contributions were equally as important - hence the credit to "Queen".
I better put in a word for John here: Freddie may have written Body Language, and Roger have written A Kind of Magic but John put down the baseline which MADE those songs.
[/QUOTE] I agree about roger's solo stuff, but your missing out on some hidden gems with freddie and brian. The one album you should check out is Freddie's Barcelona CD, it's a brilliant mixture of pop and opera. One of the best albums I'v ever heard!... MY feeling towards Barcelona is the same way Sebastion feels about brian's back to the light... those are the two solo efforts every queen fan should check out.
Argh stop bringing up my discredited post.
FINE i will listen to those albums. God help me if they are bad though...you'll all hear about it!
FINE i will listen to those albums. God help me if they are bad though...you'll all hear about it!
I'm just saying both of those CD's are worth checking out. If you need guitars and drums in your music than it's not for you. Barcelona is a vocalist dream. I should add that sebastion saying that "back to the light" is better than anything queen ever did is pretty pathetic, but it's still worth hearing. write back and let us know how you like these two CD's. I'll be curious.
> Anyhoo, are you SURE the BL baseline is a synth? it sounds alot like a bass guitar to me.
Considering that the sound is EXACTLY the same as 80s synths (more precisely the Roland Jupiter 8 and the Oberheim OB-Xa), considering that it's so OBVIOUSLY looped, and considering that on International Musician and Recording World mag (November 1982), John Deacon himself said, and I quote: "My role actually shrank with the use of keyboards. It now gives the group direct expression for a nonbassist to play their own bass line. Some of the track on the album -- like "Body Language" -- were Freddie on keyboard bass"... considering all of that, I AM sure.
> Nothing on the record that says so.
The record hasn't got credits, as a matter of fact. Many songs from Flash onwards have synth-bass, and that's sort of included on the credits when they list Fred, Rog, Bri and John for "keyboards".
> Maybe you've seen them do it live?
I *think* that live they did replace the synth-bass by John on the grey Fender. But it doesn't mean that on the record it was done that way. There are loads of differences between live and the studio: John and Brian played bass and guitar on 'Sheer Heart Attack' live using Musicman and Red Special while on the record they were both by Roger and (reportedly) using Fender instruments. Fred played acoustic grand piano on 'Best Friend' live while in the studio it'd been John on a Wurlitzer electric. Etc.
> Why on earth would they want to synthesize a bass sound?
Because it was trendy (anyone who says that Queen were never influenced by whatever was on vogue is merely a stepford), and because it gave the composer of the song the possibility of recording basslines (and drum-parts, via Linn machines) exactly as they wanted them without having to explain to John (and Roger).
> It's hard to imagine Back to the Light being better than Queen's catalogue, could be a secret gem though.
It's merely an opinion, of course. But I do prefer 'Back To The Light', it's got better guitar-work (Bri's solos on 'Resurrection' are brilliant), better bass-work (John's good, but Neil's better), better drum-work (Roger's brill, but Cozy's better) and ... well, not better vocals, but the songs are beautiful and 'Last Horizon' is perfect IMO.
> I'm still firm in my opinion about the "Queen sound" though. The 3-way harmonies are incredibly distinctive, and they litter their material from beginning to end.
If so, then John was significatively less important than the others.
> If anything I reckon its Roger's rasping falsetto that makes it distinctive.
No, it's not. Neither Fred's clear tone or Bri's unique delivery. They were all capable of doing excellent things: the intro of 'Bo Rhap' is all 100% Freddie, and it sounds wonderful; the second bridge of 'Save Me' has some chordal backing (aka "ooooh") done by only Brian, without Roger or Freddie, and it sounds marvellous; 'Sheer Heart Attack' has only Roger on harmonies, and it sounds powerful and great. And of course, when two of them or all three combined their voices it was superb, like on 'Crazy Little Thing' (which btw hasn't got any falsetto by Roger or anybody else for that matter), 'Somebody To Love', etc.
> MY feeling towards Barcelona is the same way Sebastion feels about brian's back to the light... those are the two solo efforts every queen fan should check out.
I agree. 'Golden Boy' is extraordinary.
> Barcelona is a vocalist dream.
And the orchestration's immaculate too.
Considering that the sound is EXACTLY the same as 80s synths (more precisely the Roland Jupiter 8 and the Oberheim OB-Xa), considering that it's so OBVIOUSLY looped, and considering that on International Musician and Recording World mag (November 1982), John Deacon himself said, and I quote: "My role actually shrank with the use of keyboards. It now gives the group direct expression for a nonbassist to play their own bass line. Some of the track on the album -- like "Body Language" -- were Freddie on keyboard bass"... considering all of that, I AM sure.
> Nothing on the record that says so.
The record hasn't got credits, as a matter of fact. Many songs from Flash onwards have synth-bass, and that's sort of included on the credits when they list Fred, Rog, Bri and John for "keyboards".
> Maybe you've seen them do it live?
I *think* that live they did replace the synth-bass by John on the grey Fender. But it doesn't mean that on the record it was done that way. There are loads of differences between live and the studio: John and Brian played bass and guitar on 'Sheer Heart Attack' live using Musicman and Red Special while on the record they were both by Roger and (reportedly) using Fender instruments. Fred played acoustic grand piano on 'Best Friend' live while in the studio it'd been John on a Wurlitzer electric. Etc.
> Why on earth would they want to synthesize a bass sound?
Because it was trendy (anyone who says that Queen were never influenced by whatever was on vogue is merely a stepford), and because it gave the composer of the song the possibility of recording basslines (and drum-parts, via Linn machines) exactly as they wanted them without having to explain to John (and Roger).
> It's hard to imagine Back to the Light being better than Queen's catalogue, could be a secret gem though.
It's merely an opinion, of course. But I do prefer 'Back To The Light', it's got better guitar-work (Bri's solos on 'Resurrection' are brilliant), better bass-work (John's good, but Neil's better), better drum-work (Roger's brill, but Cozy's better) and ... well, not better vocals, but the songs are beautiful and 'Last Horizon' is perfect IMO.
> I'm still firm in my opinion about the "Queen sound" though. The 3-way harmonies are incredibly distinctive, and they litter their material from beginning to end.
If so, then John was significatively less important than the others.
> If anything I reckon its Roger's rasping falsetto that makes it distinctive.
No, it's not. Neither Fred's clear tone or Bri's unique delivery. They were all capable of doing excellent things: the intro of 'Bo Rhap' is all 100% Freddie, and it sounds wonderful; the second bridge of 'Save Me' has some chordal backing (aka "ooooh") done by only Brian, without Roger or Freddie, and it sounds marvellous; 'Sheer Heart Attack' has only Roger on harmonies, and it sounds powerful and great. And of course, when two of them or all three combined their voices it was superb, like on 'Crazy Little Thing' (which btw hasn't got any falsetto by Roger or anybody else for that matter), 'Somebody To Love', etc.
> MY feeling towards Barcelona is the same way Sebastion feels about brian's back to the light... those are the two solo efforts every queen fan should check out.
I agree. 'Golden Boy' is extraordinary.
> Barcelona is a vocalist dream.
And the orchestration's immaculate too.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]StormtrooperInStilettos wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Cookies... you like fanfiction. I know where you can find exactly that if you are interested... ;)[/QUOTE]
Well, I do like to indulge every now in then. XD
I did find a Queen one a while back; wasn't too thrilled about it because of all the explicit oral sex and whatnot. :P I like some slash fanfiction with a little classiness... and taste (No pun intended.) ;P
However, I prefer Mulder and Krycek. Haha.. :P
Feel free to send me the link though! xD
Well, I do like to indulge every now in then. XD
I did find a Queen one a while back; wasn't too thrilled about it because of all the explicit oral sex and whatnot. :P I like some slash fanfiction with a little classiness... and taste (No pun intended.) ;P
However, I prefer Mulder and Krycek. Haha.. :P
Feel free to send me the link though! xD
Perhaps Mr May borrowed Krycek's prosthesis. That would explain the unearthly guitar playing.
Of course, that'd be a whole nother X-file involving time travel and whatnot.[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]StormtrooperInStilettos wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Cookies... you like fanfiction. I know where you can find exactly that if you are interested... ;)[/QUOTE]
Well, I do like to indulge every now in then. XD
I did find a Queen one a while back; wasn't too thrilled about it because of all the explicit oral sex and whatnot. :P I like some slash fanfiction with a little classiness... and taste (No pun intended.) ;P
However, I prefer Mulder and Krycek. Haha.. :P
Feel free to send me the link though! xD
[/QUOTE]
Of course, that'd be a whole nother X-file involving time travel and whatnot.[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]StormtrooperInStilettos wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Cookies... you like fanfiction. I know where you can find exactly that if you are interested... ;)[/QUOTE]
Well, I do like to indulge every now in then. XD
I did find a Queen one a while back; wasn't too thrilled about it because of all the explicit oral sex and whatnot. :P I like some slash fanfiction with a little classiness... and taste (No pun intended.) ;P
However, I prefer Mulder and Krycek. Haha.. :P
Feel free to send me the link though! xD
[/QUOTE]
'Let Your Heart Rule Your Head' is dog's bollocks too, especially live (with Mr Moses doing the solos).
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Cedric6014 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]ANYway, I think one of them actually said that Queen were greater than the sum of their parts. I have heard one of Freddie's solo albums and I own two of Rogers. They are all terrible. I haven't heard any of Brian's but I suspect that his are shite too. Okay musucianship, but no soul, no decent pop hooks - nothing for people to latch on to. If Freddie was the life and soul of Queen I would have thought that his solo efforts woud have done much better.
Individually they are awesome, creative musicians, but it seems that they had some amazing chemistry as a band that really allowed them to produce fantiastic songs.
I think that the "Sound of Queen" is not Freddie's vocals or Brians guitar, but perhapsthe vocal harmonies they produced - very distinctive, and relied on Roger Freddie and Brian. I think all four of them were critical to the success of Queen.
And despite what someone said earlier about Freddie writing 10 out of 17 of their hits, I think they all had considerable input into each other's songs. I think almost all of their songs were a musical collaboration. I remember reading that Freddie said that whoever wrote the lyrics got the credit. They changed their minds about this in the late 80s when they realised that all four contributions were equally as important - hence the credit to "Queen".
I better put in a word for John here: Freddie may have written Body Language, and Roger have written A Kind of Magic but John put down the baseline which MADE those songs.
[/QUOTE] I agree about roger's solo stuff, but your missing out on some hidden gems with freddie and brian. The one album you should check out is Freddie's Barcelona CD, it's a brilliant mixture of pop and opera. One of the best albums I'v ever heard!... MY feeling towards Barcelona is the same way Sebastion feels about brian's back to the light... those are the two solo efforts every queen fan should check out.[/QUOTE]
BARCELONA! That album is great. I'm never ashamed to play that album in public, and I'm sure many Queen fans are.
Individually they are awesome, creative musicians, but it seems that they had some amazing chemistry as a band that really allowed them to produce fantiastic songs.
I think that the "Sound of Queen" is not Freddie's vocals or Brians guitar, but perhapsthe vocal harmonies they produced - very distinctive, and relied on Roger Freddie and Brian. I think all four of them were critical to the success of Queen.
And despite what someone said earlier about Freddie writing 10 out of 17 of their hits, I think they all had considerable input into each other's songs. I think almost all of their songs were a musical collaboration. I remember reading that Freddie said that whoever wrote the lyrics got the credit. They changed their minds about this in the late 80s when they realised that all four contributions were equally as important - hence the credit to "Queen".
I better put in a word for John here: Freddie may have written Body Language, and Roger have written A Kind of Magic but John put down the baseline which MADE those songs.
[/QUOTE] I agree about roger's solo stuff, but your missing out on some hidden gems with freddie and brian. The one album you should check out is Freddie's Barcelona CD, it's a brilliant mixture of pop and opera. One of the best albums I'v ever heard!... MY feeling towards Barcelona is the same way Sebastion feels about brian's back to the light... those are the two solo efforts every queen fan should check out.[/QUOTE]
BARCELONA! That album is great. I'm never ashamed to play that album in public, and I'm sure many Queen fans are.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME].*.Messenger: Jake Pyndle.*. wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Cedric6014 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]ANYway, I think one of them actually said that Queen were greater than the sum of their parts. I have heard one of Freddie's solo albums and I own two of Rogers. They are all terrible. I haven't heard any of Brian's but I suspect that his are shite too. Okay musucianship, but no soul, no decent pop hooks - nothing for people to latch on to. If Freddie was the life and soul of Queen I would have thought that his solo efforts woud have done much better.
Individually they are awesome, creative musicians, but it seems that they had some amazing chemistry as a band that really allowed them to produce fantiastic songs.
I think that the "Sound of Queen" is not Freddie's vocals or Brians guitar, but perhapsthe vocal harmonies they produced - very distinctive, and relied on Roger Freddie and Brian. I think all four of them were critical to the success of Queen.
And despite what someone said earlier about Freddie writing 10 out of 17 of their hits, I think they all had considerable input into each other's songs. I think almost all of their songs were a musical collaboration. I remember reading that Freddie said that whoever wrote the lyrics got the credit. They changed their minds about this in the late 80s when they realised that all four contributions were equally as important - hence the credit to "Queen".
I better put in a word for John here: Freddie may have written Body Language, and Roger have written A Kind of Magic but John put down the baseline which MADE those songs.
[/QUOTE] I agree about roger's solo stuff, but your missing out on some hidden gems with freddie and brian. The one album you should check out is Freddie's Barcelona CD, it's a brilliant mixture of pop and opera. One of the best albums I'v ever heard!... MY feeling towards Barcelona is the same way Sebastion feels about brian's back to the light... those are the two solo efforts every queen fan should check out.[/QUOTE]
BARCELONA! That album is great. I'm never ashamed to play that album in public, and I'm sure many Queen fans are. [/QUOTE] Once you get a bit older it really doesn't matter what's cool or not. It's all about the music. I brag about barcelona to all my old rocker buds, and i'm far from ashamed of it. Just finished listening to back to the light and it does have some sweet songs. "nothin but blue" was a song written about freddie, it's probably my favorite on that album.
Individually they are awesome, creative musicians, but it seems that they had some amazing chemistry as a band that really allowed them to produce fantiastic songs.
I think that the "Sound of Queen" is not Freddie's vocals or Brians guitar, but perhapsthe vocal harmonies they produced - very distinctive, and relied on Roger Freddie and Brian. I think all four of them were critical to the success of Queen.
And despite what someone said earlier about Freddie writing 10 out of 17 of their hits, I think they all had considerable input into each other's songs. I think almost all of their songs were a musical collaboration. I remember reading that Freddie said that whoever wrote the lyrics got the credit. They changed their minds about this in the late 80s when they realised that all four contributions were equally as important - hence the credit to "Queen".
I better put in a word for John here: Freddie may have written Body Language, and Roger have written A Kind of Magic but John put down the baseline which MADE those songs.
[/QUOTE] I agree about roger's solo stuff, but your missing out on some hidden gems with freddie and brian. The one album you should check out is Freddie's Barcelona CD, it's a brilliant mixture of pop and opera. One of the best albums I'v ever heard!... MY feeling towards Barcelona is the same way Sebastion feels about brian's back to the light... those are the two solo efforts every queen fan should check out.[/QUOTE]
BARCELONA! That album is great. I'm never ashamed to play that album in public, and I'm sure many Queen fans are. [/QUOTE] Once you get a bit older it really doesn't matter what's cool or not. It's all about the music. I brag about barcelona to all my old rocker buds, and i'm far from ashamed of it. Just finished listening to back to the light and it does have some sweet songs. "nothin but blue" was a song written about freddie, it's probably my favorite on that album.
I agree... It was the inner workings of all four of them which made Queen. I AM a Freddie fan, but one must admit that Queen wouldn't have been Queen without all four of them - something that IMO has become apparent with all of this Paul Rodgers business (nothing against the man, but IMO Queen's beauty was having four members from beginning to end - if you don't have all four members, just do solo tours or something). It's the work between them that made the band and it was the reliance and friendship that they had that kept them going in the late 80's early 90's when they could have easily thrown in the towel.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I agree... It was the inner workings of all four of them which made Queen. I AM a Freddie fan, but one must admit that Queen wouldn't have been Queen without all four of them - something that IMO has become apparent with all of this Paul Rodgers business (nothing against the man, but IMO Queen's beauty was having four members from beginning to end - if you don't have all four members, just do solo tours or something). It's the work between them that made the band and it was the reliance and friendship that they had that kept them going in the late 80's early 90's when they could have easily thrown in the towel. [/QUOTE]
I DO agree!
I DO agree!
Chill out. I also have a tiny crush on Roger Taylor. He has my coloring and my gigantic blue eyes. Give it some time and it might develop into a full blown obsession.
I wouldn't say I am obsessed, but if it ain't Queen, I don't waste my ears on it.