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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inmydefence wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i dont know much about religion as i don't believe in any form of god. i dont reject the idea... im just very skeptical.... i believe that makes me agnostic? I find my self reluctant to use the word atheist an queenzone's resident atheist is such a TIT.[/QUOTE]
If I am to understand that whole thing, an Athiest is:
(1) Someone who does not believe in any "higher power" or "creator" concept.
(2) A misguided Freddie Mercury prophet. He is soooo funny, though, I've come to know him as Freddie Murphy.
An Agnostic is one who doesn't think its possible to even know and doesn't accept ANY form of religious identity, not just Christian.[/QUOTE]
Correction on (1): Someone who believes (in an almost religious fashion) that there is no higher power.
An agnostic has no real point of view on the existence (or non-existence) of a higher power.[/QUOTE]
Surely it's: (1) Someone who denies the existence of any higher power.
And an agnostic is someone who will neither deny nor accept the existence of any higher power.
The only way you can liken the beliefs of an agnostic to the beliefs of a theist or deist, is by saying that the belief-systems are based on faith; that you cannot prove your belief one way or the other other.
...Which is to completely miss the point that the agnostic's belief is based on empirical evidence (or the distinct and absolute lack of) for the existence and probability of a god, whilst the religious belief is based on...faith.
If I am to understand that whole thing, an Athiest is:
(1) Someone who does not believe in any "higher power" or "creator" concept.
(2) A misguided Freddie Mercury prophet. He is soooo funny, though, I've come to know him as Freddie Murphy.
An Agnostic is one who doesn't think its possible to even know and doesn't accept ANY form of religious identity, not just Christian.[/QUOTE]
Correction on (1): Someone who believes (in an almost religious fashion) that there is no higher power.
An agnostic has no real point of view on the existence (or non-existence) of a higher power.[/QUOTE]
Surely it's: (1) Someone who denies the existence of any higher power.
And an agnostic is someone who will neither deny nor accept the existence of any higher power.
The only way you can liken the beliefs of an agnostic to the beliefs of a theist or deist, is by saying that the belief-systems are based on faith; that you cannot prove your belief one way or the other other.
...Which is to completely miss the point that the agnostic's belief is based on empirical evidence (or the distinct and absolute lack of) for the existence and probability of a god, whilst the religious belief is based on...faith.
Every single atheist is a tiny little bit agnostic, but they're just in denial.
Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex.
Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex. [/QUOTE]
The pope is not at all happy with this statement. Nope. Not a'tall.
Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex. [/QUOTE]
The pope is not at all happy with this statement. Nope. Not a'tall.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Every single atheist is a tiny little bit agnostic, but they're just in denial.
Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex.[/QUOTE]
I know what you're saying, yes. But it becomes a ridiculous proposition to have to force yourself to fit one of these labels. Yes, no-one can truly 100% KNOW that a god doesn't exist; so those that believe so (that a god doesn't exist) are technically agnostic.
But, as the great Richard Dawkins illustrates so succinctly, we don't need to go around declaring ourselves agnostic with respect to fairies. Or leprechauns. Or unicorns. Or flying spaghetti monsters.
Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex.[/QUOTE]
I know what you're saying, yes. But it becomes a ridiculous proposition to have to force yourself to fit one of these labels. Yes, no-one can truly 100% KNOW that a god doesn't exist; so those that believe so (that a god doesn't exist) are technically agnostic.
But, as the great Richard Dawkins illustrates so succinctly, we don't need to go around declaring ourselves agnostic with respect to fairies. Or leprechauns. Or unicorns. Or flying spaghetti monsters.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Donna13 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Darn! I thought Sir GH was taking dancing lessons.[/QUOTE]
*snicker*
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bohardy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But, as the great Richard Dawkins illustrates so succinctly, we don't need to go around declaring ourselves agnostic with respect to fairies. Or leprechauns. Or unicorns. Or flying spaghetti monsters.[/QUOTE]
Haha... brilliant! Especially the last item.
*snicker*
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bohardy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But, as the great Richard Dawkins illustrates so succinctly, we don't need to go around declaring ourselves agnostic with respect to fairies. Or leprechauns. Or unicorns. Or flying spaghetti monsters.[/QUOTE]
Haha... brilliant! Especially the last item.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex. [/QUOTE]
The pope is not at all happy with this statement. Nope. Not a'tall. [/QUOTE]
The pope covered up plenty of gay experiments on choirboys to be very apathetic towards this issue by now.
Just like every single straight person is a tiny little bit gay, but they don't have the balls to admit that at least at some point they've felt some sort of attraction towards someone of the same sex. [/QUOTE]
The pope is not at all happy with this statement. Nope. Not a'tall. [/QUOTE]
The pope covered up plenty of gay experiments on choirboys to be very apathetic towards this issue by now.
As all debate here seems to have stopped (and Sir GH of course had to post something nice and meaty like this for debate when I was out of town for the week! **glares at him**) I will not comment
Ah, but you just did.
^^ Indeed I did. But I didn't say anything about the issue for debate, and probably won't now.
:-P
:-P
You will if I can lure you into doing so. And I *will* try, oh yes, I will! [malicious and maniacal laughter followed by a choke and coughing sounds] :P
You are going to have to try much harder than that, Caspar. Diabolical laughing doesn't scare me :-P
**looks smug**
**looks smug**
How about the Flying Spaghetti Monster then? It scares everybody.
Fortunately, for all of their zealotry, the Catholic Church is good humored when its criticized.
"But over the past few months back in Rome, there has been a steady flow of criticism of the now 80-year-old pontiff, much of which also relates to his rigid views on doctrine, such as his speaking out against an Italian Parliament bill to allow civil unions for gay couples. But perhaps the most visceral criticism came when the Church denied Catholic funeral rites to an Italian victim of Lou Gehrig's disease, named Piergiorgio Welby, who had campaigned for euthanasia before dying when a doctor unplugged his respirator.
That very incident is at the center of the latest controversy, after an Italian comedian used an annual city concert in Rome to blast the Pope. Andrea Rivera, one of the MC's of the concert, said to some 700,000 youths and a national television audience: "I can't stand the fact that the Vatican refused a funeral for Welby but that wasn't the case for [Chilean dictator Augusto] Pinochet or [Spanish dictator Francisco] Franco." He also tried this one-liner: "The Pope says he doesn't believe in evolution. I agree, in fact the Church has never evolved."
The Vatican wasn't laughing, and on Tuesday its official newspaper L'Osservatore Romano went further, lashing out at the remarks as a "vile attack" and "terrorism." "It's terrorism to stoke blind and irrational rage against someone who always speaks in the name of love," the paper wrote."
Tolerance, thy name is Catholicism.
"But over the past few months back in Rome, there has been a steady flow of criticism of the now 80-year-old pontiff, much of which also relates to his rigid views on doctrine, such as his speaking out against an Italian Parliament bill to allow civil unions for gay couples. But perhaps the most visceral criticism came when the Church denied Catholic funeral rites to an Italian victim of Lou Gehrig's disease, named Piergiorgio Welby, who had campaigned for euthanasia before dying when a doctor unplugged his respirator.
That very incident is at the center of the latest controversy, after an Italian comedian used an annual city concert in Rome to blast the Pope. Andrea Rivera, one of the MC's of the concert, said to some 700,000 youths and a national television audience: "I can't stand the fact that the Vatican refused a funeral for Welby but that wasn't the case for [Chilean dictator Augusto] Pinochet or [Spanish dictator Francisco] Franco." He also tried this one-liner: "The Pope says he doesn't believe in evolution. I agree, in fact the Church has never evolved."
The Vatican wasn't laughing, and on Tuesday its official newspaper L'Osservatore Romano went further, lashing out at the remarks as a "vile attack" and "terrorism." "It's terrorism to stoke blind and irrational rage against someone who always speaks in the name of love," the paper wrote."
Tolerance, thy name is Catholicism.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Andrea Rivera, one of the MC's of the concert, said to some 700,000 youths and a national television audience: "I can't stand the fact that the Vatican refused a funeral for Welby but that wasn't the case for [Chilean dictator Augusto] Pinochet or [Spanish dictator Francisco] Franco." He also tried this one-liner: "The Pope says he doesn't believe in evolution. I agree, in fact the Church has never evolved."[/QUOTE]
Yeeeeeeeees... I loooove it!!
Yeeeeeeeees... I loooove it!!