Who wrote these songs?

If I was to attribute the following songs to a band member, who would be the most appropriate?

Khashoggi’s Ship
May Baby Does Me
One Vision
Stone Cold Crazy
The Miracle
Was It All Worth It

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Cedric6014 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If I was to attribute the following songs to a band member, who would be the most appropriate?

Khashoggi’s Ship
May Baby Does Me
One Vision
Stone Cold Crazy
The Miracle
Was It All Worth It




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Khashoggi’s Ship -- Freddie, mostly
May Baby Does Me -- Freddie and John
One Vision -- Freddie, Brian, and Roger
Stone Cold Crazy -- Freddie, mostly
The Miracle -- Freddie
Was It All Worth It -- Freddie and Brian

...White Lines On A Black Road...

who wrote that - huh?

Yes, although actually 'Worth It' is more Freddie than Brian with some contributions from Roger, and 'Kashoggi's' is Fred's only regarding music - lyrics are a four-way split (reportedly the same thing happens with 'Miracle').

one vision.

music- mainly Brian
words- mainly roger
arrangment- mainly freddie( also he changed alot of rogers words).

thats as far as i am aware, if anyone knows different and can correct me then please do.

cheers.

You're right, and that's why IMO Fred shouldn't be counted as co-writer in 'One Vision'. Surely, he arranged and changed some ideas, but so did George Martin on 'Yesterday' but the song is still McCartney's; or Roger on 'No One But You', Brian on his 'All The Way From Memphis' cover or Fred himself on 'Magic' and 'Ga Ga'. All arrangers instead of co-writers.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're right, and that's why IMO Fred shouldn't be counted as co-writer in 'One Vision'. Surely, he arranged and changed some ideas, but so did George Martin on 'Yesterday' but the song is still McCartney's; or Roger on 'No One But You', Brian on his 'All The Way From Memphis' cover or Fred himself on 'Magic' and 'Ga Ga'. All arrangers instead of co-writers.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if you've ever written a song, Sebastian, but if you have, you should know that whether or not an arranger deserves co-authorship depends from song to song. If an arrangement adds creatively to the song as a whole, the arranger should get credit (for example, Ravel arranging Debussy for orchestra, but also in a number of popular songs), if he/she didn't do much (such as my arranging Jean-Michel Jarre's 'Equinoxe' for a 7-piece rock-band [sorry, I can't think of anything better example right now] which leaves most of the song as it was), he/she shouldn't.

I have written songs, and I keep my point. George Martin orchestrated many Beatles tracks, but they're still Lennon's, McCartney's, Harrison's or Starkey's. Freddie Mercury changed loads of things in 'Radio Ga Ga' but, as he said, "it's still Roger's song". Valensia changed 'Liar' completely but it's still Mercury's, Guns N' Roses completely re-arranged 'Knockin' On Heaven's Door', added bass-part, guitar solos, a nice intro ... but the piece is still Bob Dylan's.

Of course everybody's entitled to their own opinion about the matter ... reportedly, John considered Fred's input in 'Pain Is So Close' and 'Friends Will Be Friends' enough for a co-credit, while 'A Hard Life' is credited solely to Mercury in spite of Brian's strong lyrical contributions and in spite of the (almost verbatim) quote on the intro. Some people give a co-credit for a single word (or note/chord/riff), some don't.

It seems obvious that the band considered 'One Vision' to be collaborative enough to be credited to them all (same as 'Stone Cold Crazy', God knows why), so all I'm giving here is a(nother) opinion, not intending to impose it to anybody. I have indeed arranged songs from friends, but I always reject a co-credit unless I've actually put an entire new section (like McCartney did for 'A Day In The Life').

Freddie will always be considered a co-composer of "One Vision" in my book. He added the timeless lyrics: "fried chicken."

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Freddie will always be considered a co-composer of "One Vision" in my book. He added the timeless lyrics: "fried chicken."[/QUOTE]

Wasn't that Jim Hutton?

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Thunderbolt<br><h6>Courtesy of God wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Freddie will always be considered a co-composer of "One Vision" in my book. He added the timeless lyrics: "fried chicken."[/QUOTE]

Wasn't that Jim Hutton?[/QUOTE]

I believe it was. Also, I believe there's a difference between a composer and a lyricist.

i think the real question is:

who cares?

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]~im a fool~ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i think the real question is:

who cares?[/QUOTE]

Many of us do, clearly... as we're adding to the discussion. If you don't, then that's fine. Leave us be.

Very interesting discussion, guys. In my opinion, composition and arrangement are equal, and thus arrangement should deserve equal credit... although it rarely gets it.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]~im a fool~ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i think the real question is:

who cares?[/QUOTE]

A lot of people and unlike many threads that I've said that on - I care.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Very interesting discussion, guys. In my opinion, composition and arrangement are equal, and thus arrangement should deserve equal credit... although it rarely gets it.
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Interesting point, which I partially share. Generally, popular music's essentially oblivious about the importance of arrangements, while classical and jazz gives the deserved consideration to them (and more to the point, to the creative force behind).