Greg - I do express my conviction. Only because you don't agree you think something is wrong with my views.
You want my entire feelings about the issue? here you go (apologies to everyone else)
I think it's an utter shame that a multi million organisation like QP borrowed a precious tape, allowed it to be stolen or get lost or whatever and did not have the courtesy to refund the owner, accordingly. If QP had done the right thing and if they had refunded the tape owner - nobody would even remember the affair. I have no knowledge about your role in the matter and I do not care. If you feel offended you may have your own good reasons. Truth is that John never held you personally responsible for the loss of the tape on this board. Certainly it was not your job to refund John, it was the job of QP who have more than enough money to repay a fan and collector for a lost/stolen item he kindly lent them.
If I were in John's shoes I would not shut up, either. Why should he? What in all the world would it have cost QP to pay him for his loss? Why should he be the one who lets the matter die when it's only in their interest to hush it up? If I were in his shoes I would keep complaining till the end of time, believe me. I am all for fairness and a peaceful solution but I do not see the fairness on the QP side and it would not cost them 1% of their annual income to settle the matter once and for all in a decent way.
John Stuart is not my friend, I am not biased because he sends me birthday greetings - he does not. I have never seen a photo, I do not know his age or any other personal data. He is a fan and respected member of this board, nothing more - and nothing less.
If you don't like my opinion that's really not my problem :)
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Greg - I'll express my ENTIRE feelings: you're idiot. But I did laugh with the "mum" story.
John - Are you really Sibelius?
Those asking John to let go - It's easy to say that when it's somebody else who's been offended. I don't think John is obsessively complaining or whining (I can't say the same about Greg), but even if he was, he's got the right to do it.
I think there are many people "left in the universe" not knowing about QP losing John's tape (and not even trying to compensate him for that); but there are very few people "left in the universe" not realising QP are a bunch of imbeciles, including (and starting off by) Mr Brooks himself.
John - Are you really Sibelius?
Those asking John to let go - It's easy to say that when it's somebody else who's been offended. I don't think John is obsessively complaining or whining (I can't say the same about Greg), but even if he was, he's got the right to do it.
I think there are many people "left in the universe" not knowing about QP losing John's tape (and not even trying to compensate him for that); but there are very few people "left in the universe" not realising QP are a bunch of imbeciles, including (and starting off by) Mr Brooks himself.
If the tape was genuinely lost, how did it end up being bootlegged?
Also, if it was indeed the master that was lost - couldn't QP atleast have given John a digital copy of the professional transfer of the tape? And as a side note John - it would make more sense to back up such recordings to DAT or as uncompressed audio files as MD is unreliable and below the quality of CD.
Also, if it was indeed the master that was lost - couldn't QP atleast have given John a digital copy of the professional transfer of the tape? And as a side note John - it would make more sense to back up such recordings to DAT or as uncompressed audio files as MD is unreliable and below the quality of CD.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
"Greg from Queen lost my Ibex tape.
[/QUOTE]
Am I the only one that haven't seen Greg in a stage WITH Queen between 1971-1986. Freddie, John, Brian, Roger.... but.. GREG??? Wasn't SPIKE???
Vic
"Greg from Queen lost my Ibex tape.
[/QUOTE]
Am I the only one that haven't seen Greg in a stage WITH Queen between 1971-1986. Freddie, John, Brian, Roger.... but.. GREG??? Wasn't SPIKE???
Vic
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If the tape was genuinely lost, how did it end up being bootlegged?
Also, if it was indeed the master that was lost - couldn't QP at least have given John a digital copy of the professional transfer of the tape? And as a side note John - it would make more sense to back up such recordings to DAT or as uncompressed audio files as MD is unreliable and below the quality of CD.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, but as hindsight is a perfect science, I (mistakenly) believed that the original cassette would be returned. Therefore, I also thought that a safety back-up, rather than an uncompressed audio file would suffice.
So hopefully I have learned at least one lesson!
Nevertheless, as I keep preaching, I have long accepted the loss of this cassette - and this issue has nothing more to do with a physical artefact.
Rather, my point is more about the abstract principles of attitude, morality and responsibility, but I guess there are those who miss these wider issues because they cannot see beyond their physical confines.
Also, if it was indeed the master that was lost - couldn't QP at least have given John a digital copy of the professional transfer of the tape? And as a side note John - it would make more sense to back up such recordings to DAT or as uncompressed audio files as MD is unreliable and below the quality of CD.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, but as hindsight is a perfect science, I (mistakenly) believed that the original cassette would be returned. Therefore, I also thought that a safety back-up, rather than an uncompressed audio file would suffice.
So hopefully I have learned at least one lesson!
Nevertheless, as I keep preaching, I have long accepted the loss of this cassette - and this issue has nothing more to do with a physical artefact.
Rather, my point is more about the abstract principles of attitude, morality and responsibility, but I guess there are those who miss these wider issues because they cannot see beyond their physical confines.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Greg - I do express my conviction. Only because you don't agree you think something is wrong with my views.
You want my entire feelings about the issue? here you go (apologies to everyone else)
I think it's an utter shame that a multi million organisation like QP borrowed a precious tape, allowed it to be stolen or get lost or whatever and did not have the courtesy to refund the owner, accordingly. If QP had done the right thing and if they had refunded the tape owner - nobody would even remember the affair. I have no knowledge about your role in the matter and I do not care. If you feel offended you may have your own good reasons. Truth is that John never held you personally responsible for the loss of the tape on this board. Certainly it was not your job to refund John, it was the job of QP who have more than enough money to repay a fan and collector for a lost/stolen item he kindly lent them.
If I were in John's shoes I would not shut up, either. Why should he? What in all the world would it have cost QP to pay him for his loss? Why should he be the one who lets the matter die when it's only in their interest to hush it up? If I were in his shoes I would keep complaining till the end of time, believe me. I am all for fairness and a peaceful solution but I do not see the fairness on the QP side and it would not cost them 1% of their annual income to settle the matter once and for all in a decent way.
John Stuart is not my friend, I am not biased because he sends me birthday greetings - he does not. I have never seen a photo, I do not know his age or any other personal data. He is a fan and respected member of this board, nothing more - and nothing less.
If you don't like my opinion that's really not my problem :)[/QUOTE]
Very well said...
Get your facts right mr. Brooks...
You want my entire feelings about the issue? here you go (apologies to everyone else)
I think it's an utter shame that a multi million organisation like QP borrowed a precious tape, allowed it to be stolen or get lost or whatever and did not have the courtesy to refund the owner, accordingly. If QP had done the right thing and if they had refunded the tape owner - nobody would even remember the affair. I have no knowledge about your role in the matter and I do not care. If you feel offended you may have your own good reasons. Truth is that John never held you personally responsible for the loss of the tape on this board. Certainly it was not your job to refund John, it was the job of QP who have more than enough money to repay a fan and collector for a lost/stolen item he kindly lent them.
If I were in John's shoes I would not shut up, either. Why should he? What in all the world would it have cost QP to pay him for his loss? Why should he be the one who lets the matter die when it's only in their interest to hush it up? If I were in his shoes I would keep complaining till the end of time, believe me. I am all for fairness and a peaceful solution but I do not see the fairness on the QP side and it would not cost them 1% of their annual income to settle the matter once and for all in a decent way.
John Stuart is not my friend, I am not biased because he sends me birthday greetings - he does not. I have never seen a photo, I do not know his age or any other personal data. He is a fan and respected member of this board, nothing more - and nothing less.
If you don't like my opinion that's really not my problem :)[/QUOTE]
Very well said...
Get your facts right mr. Brooks...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME][..Cake..Or..Death..]..[[TONKS]] wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I really need to start reading properly or wear glasses i thought it was john deacon you was talking about..lol
That would be funny if you had a arguement with him..:D:D[/QUOTE]
I initially thought he was referring to Jeff Scott Soto, which prompted the reaction of "I didn't know Jeff Scott Soto was active here..." ;)
That would be funny if you had a arguement with him..:D:D[/QUOTE]
I initially thought he was referring to Jeff Scott Soto, which prompted the reaction of "I didn't know Jeff Scott Soto was active here..." ;)
Greg, Is there any way that Dr. Brian May can come on this site and give us an indication when anything worthwhile from the archives will be released.
I AM NOT critcising you or your work so far but i think i speak for many hundreds if not thousands of fans who are crying out for something different other than Hits Albums etc.
I have emailed his site a total of three times in the past year and a half, but no good, if there was a new star in the sky he would probably be more interested, and if that is the case and music takes a back seat for him, well thats his own business!
I AM NOT critcising you or your work so far but i think i speak for many hundreds if not thousands of fans who are crying out for something different other than Hits Albums etc.
I have emailed his site a total of three times in the past year and a half, but no good, if there was a new star in the sky he would probably be more interested, and if that is the case and music takes a back seat for him, well thats his own business!
...and did I tell you he lost my Ibex tape?
JSS: "Anyway, as I have repeatedly said also, this has NOTHING to do with a cassette tape, but more to do with a philosophy or attitude. However I guess points of order or principle are lost on the materialistic."
Do you have a "philosophy or attitude" regarding forgiveness, JSS?
Do you have a "philosophy or attitude" regarding forgiveness, JSS?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Donna13 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]JSS: "Anyway, as I have repeatedly said also, this has NOTHING to do with a cassette tape, but more to do with a philosophy or attitude. However I guess points of order or principle are lost on the materialistic."
Do you have a "philosophy or attitude" regarding forgiveness, JSS?[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact Donna13 - yes I do - but that does NOT mean that I must suffer fools gladly either!
Do you have a "philosophy or attitude" regarding forgiveness, JSS?[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact Donna13 - yes I do - but that does NOT mean that I must suffer fools gladly either!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Donna13 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]JSS: "Anyway, as I have repeatedly said also, this has NOTHING to do with a cassette tape, but more to do with a philosophy or attitude. However I guess points of order or principle are lost on the materialistic."
Do you have a "philosophy or attitude" regarding forgiveness, JSS?[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact Donna13 - yes I do - but that does NOT mean that I must suffer fools gladly either![/QUOTE]
So, are you saying you are willing to forgive Greg?
Do you have a "philosophy or attitude" regarding forgiveness, JSS?[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact Donna13 - yes I do - but that does NOT mean that I must suffer fools gladly either![/QUOTE]
So, are you saying you are willing to forgive Greg?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Donna13 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So, are you saying you are willing to forgive Greg? [/QUOTE]
Regardless of whether or not he forgives, he is not obligated to forget. Especially given the inadequacy and insincerity of the apology. Why don't you loan me your car and see how forgiving you are when I say "ooops ... lost it ... sorry ... dunno what happened". Its easy to be big about it when you aren't out anything.
Keep complaining, John, especially since its the only satisfaction you're ever likely to get out of the experience. The least Mr. Brooks, et al, can do is to keep his mouth shut and take it like a man instead of the whiny, thin-skinned, petulant child he proves himself to be over and over again.
So, are you saying you are willing to forgive Greg? [/QUOTE]
Regardless of whether or not he forgives, he is not obligated to forget. Especially given the inadequacy and insincerity of the apology. Why don't you loan me your car and see how forgiving you are when I say "ooops ... lost it ... sorry ... dunno what happened". Its easy to be big about it when you aren't out anything.
Keep complaining, John, especially since its the only satisfaction you're ever likely to get out of the experience. The least Mr. Brooks, et al, can do is to keep his mouth shut and take it like a man instead of the whiny, thin-skinned, petulant child he proves himself to be over and over again.
Regardless of who lost what etc the fact remains that this has been covered endlessly here, and I think Greg has a point that surely now after all this time we don't need to go through it again!
I feel sorry for John, and maybe things could have been handled better but you know what guys, lifes too short move on
I feel sorry for John, and maybe things could have been handled better but you know what guys, lifes too short move on
Togg, you overlook the fact that it has been Greg (again) who brought this topic up in various threads at the same time. It's easy to say "move on", "forgive" but how would you feel
- if someone lost a precious item you lent him and did not only not pay up but instead allowed an employee (free lance or not) to come to a fan board and insult you in the worst possible way over again, called you names, caused you distress, while you stayed calm and never returned the insults?
Because this is what happens here, just search for "GB" or "Queen Archivist" and read up the endless rants and redundant topics by the official archivist of QP posted here on this board just to attack, offend and insult John Stuart who was the victim and not the offender. I wonder how you would feel in his shoes.
- if someone lost a precious item you lent him and did not only not pay up but instead allowed an employee (free lance or not) to come to a fan board and insult you in the worst possible way over again, called you names, caused you distress, while you stayed calm and never returned the insults?
Because this is what happens here, just search for "GB" or "Queen Archivist" and read up the endless rants and redundant topics by the official archivist of QP posted here on this board just to attack, offend and insult John Stuart who was the victim and not the offender. I wonder how you would feel in his shoes.