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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME] ...NO WE DO NOT HAVE THE GOLDERS GREEN CONCERT IN FULL IN THE ARCHIVE, ON A DECENT FORMAT, NOT THAT I CAN RECALL ANYWAY, AND NOT THAT I HAVE SEEN OR HEARD IN RECENT YEARS, BUT YES PLEASE WE WOULD LIKE IT - OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD - BUT NOT IF THERE ARE STRINGS ATTACHED, OR CONDITIONS, OR IN SUPPLYING A COPY WE PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY, AGAIN, FOR ANYONE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT LOST THINGS FROM YEARS AGO WHICH HAVE NO BEARING ON ANYTHING IN 2007, OR TO THE GOLDERS GREEN GIG. YES WE'D LOVE A COPY. YES PLEASE. BRING IT ON...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...I have both the (FULL UNEDITED) BBC master AND the LP versions - but as far as I am aware - Queen Productions are already aware of this... If it is truely the case that QP do NOT have a 'master copy', I would certainly offer it up - provided certain caveats were in place.[/QUOTE]
This is the first time I have started a separate thread in a long time, so forgive me if it overlaps with any others - but I thought this merited a separate discussion in its own right.
I have no hidden agenda, no cards up my sleeve, no ulterior motives – no reason other than to gauge the public opinion of Queenzone. (I know a poll would have been better, but I am not PC literate enough to design one).
If it was possible for Queen Productions to Officially release ‘Golder’s Green’ as a quality audio CD product, would you be interested in buying a copy?
Or - am I really that out of touch with 'public' opinion', by insisting that a few caveats should be in place to protect both parties before any such disc could be produced?
As I said, no hidden agenda, just a simple question to set my own moral compass by.
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Yes I definitely would.
That was quick Zak - you caught me mid cut 'n paste there - but thanks for your prompt reply!
Me too
Definitely.
There is obviously demand among Queen fans for these things. The "share the music" section of this website proves that, with people willing to spend hours or days downloading files, creating cover art etc. They do this for bootleg concerts that are usually poor quality. Queen could make a fair amount of money (and let's face it, that's ALL they are interested in)by releasing offical soundboard concerts and satisfy fan demand.* Pearl Jam have proved that this can be done sucessfully.
* I don't count the "offical" downloads available from Queen Productions -- who in their right mind would pay for poor quality concerts that are available free on fan websites?
There is obviously demand among Queen fans for these things. The "share the music" section of this website proves that, with people willing to spend hours or days downloading files, creating cover art etc. They do this for bootleg concerts that are usually poor quality. Queen could make a fair amount of money (and let's face it, that's ALL they are interested in)by releasing offical soundboard concerts and satisfy fan demand.* Pearl Jam have proved that this can be done sucessfully.
* I don't count the "offical" downloads available from Queen Productions -- who in their right mind would pay for poor quality concerts that are available free on fan websites?
The idea is great! I guess we have a chance to make it happen, provided QP/GB will aknoweledge the fact that so far they have been missing the opportunity.
Cheers
Cheers
Hello John, can I ask a couple of questions ?
1. When you say you have the unedited BBC master tape, does it mean it is longer that the QDA bootleg "Queen will be crowned" ?
2. Is even on the master tape Freddie's voice sounding so "distant" ?
3. I fully agree that this concert DOES deserve a proper CD release, and I would buy it more happy than the Montreal gig, BUT ...
... what about putting pressure on QP to release ALL BBC sessions ? The 6 studio sessions plus the 2 live "sessions" - Golders Green and Hammy 75 ? Releasing ONLY GG 73 would be ONLY "good", I believe that a 3-4 CD box containing EVERYTHING would achieve much better selling results
1. When you say you have the unedited BBC master tape, does it mean it is longer that the QDA bootleg "Queen will be crowned" ?
2. Is even on the master tape Freddie's voice sounding so "distant" ?
3. I fully agree that this concert DOES deserve a proper CD release, and I would buy it more happy than the Montreal gig, BUT ...
... what about putting pressure on QP to release ALL BBC sessions ? The 6 studio sessions plus the 2 live "sessions" - Golders Green and Hammy 75 ? Releasing ONLY GG 73 would be ONLY "good", I believe that a 3-4 CD box containing EVERYTHING would achieve much better selling results
Golders Green, why not.I would buy it, has to be better than Montreal.
Why not go further and try and get the fabled unreleased/demoes released.
Why not go further and try and get the fabled unreleased/demoes released.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]pittrek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hello John, can I ask a couple of questions ?
1. When you say you have the unedited BBC master tape, does it mean it is longer that the QDA bootleg "Queen will be crowned" ?
2. Is even on the master tape Freddie's voice sounding so "distant" ?
3. I fully agree that this concert DOES deserve a proper CD release, and I would buy it more happy than the Montreal gig, BUT ...
... what about putting pressure on QP to release ALL BBC sessions ? The 6 studio sessions plus the 2 live "sessions" - Golders Green and Hammy 75 ? Releasing ONLY GG 73 would be ONLY "good", I believe that a 3-4 CD box containing EVERYTHING would achieve much better selling results[/QUOTE]Great idea!That would be a wonderful set!
1. When you say you have the unedited BBC master tape, does it mean it is longer that the QDA bootleg "Queen will be crowned" ?
2. Is even on the master tape Freddie's voice sounding so "distant" ?
3. I fully agree that this concert DOES deserve a proper CD release, and I would buy it more happy than the Montreal gig, BUT ...
... what about putting pressure on QP to release ALL BBC sessions ? The 6 studio sessions plus the 2 live "sessions" - Golders Green and Hammy 75 ? Releasing ONLY GG 73 would be ONLY "good", I believe that a 3-4 CD box containing EVERYTHING would achieve much better selling results[/QUOTE]Great idea!That would be a wonderful set!
I would certainly buy it. Unless of course it's full of DRM and does not meet audio CD standards. I do not buy such intentionally deteriorated products.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]pittrek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hello John, can I ask a couple of questions ?
1. When you say you have the unedited BBC master tape, does it mean it is longer that the QDA bootleg "Queen will be crowned" ?
2. Is even on the master tape Freddie's voice sounding so "distant" ?
3. I fully agree that this concert DOES deserve a proper CD release, and I would buy it more happy than the Montreal gig, BUT ...
... what about putting pressure on QP to release ALL BBC sessions ? The 6 studio sessions plus the 2 live "sessions" - Golders Green and Hammy 75 ? Releasing ONLY GG 73 would be ONLY "good", I believe that a 3-4 CD box containing EVERYTHING would achieve much better selling results[/QUOTE]
In order - 1: not musically, but longer intro and commentary, 2: Yes, but the sound quality is far superior even to the 'Queen Will Be Crowned' Bootleg.
The reason I focused in on 'Golders Green', (and to a lesser extent 'Hammersmith 1975') is that I OWN those particular 'MASTER' tapes, so I know that they exist in perfect audio quality, and could make excellent CD releases. As for the other concerts you suggest, I do not own those. (Except ofcourse in bootleg for like everyone else).
1. When you say you have the unedited BBC master tape, does it mean it is longer that the QDA bootleg "Queen will be crowned" ?
2. Is even on the master tape Freddie's voice sounding so "distant" ?
3. I fully agree that this concert DOES deserve a proper CD release, and I would buy it more happy than the Montreal gig, BUT ...
... what about putting pressure on QP to release ALL BBC sessions ? The 6 studio sessions plus the 2 live "sessions" - Golders Green and Hammy 75 ? Releasing ONLY GG 73 would be ONLY "good", I believe that a 3-4 CD box containing EVERYTHING would achieve much better selling results[/QUOTE]
In order - 1: not musically, but longer intro and commentary, 2: Yes, but the sound quality is far superior even to the 'Queen Will Be Crowned' Bootleg.
The reason I focused in on 'Golders Green', (and to a lesser extent 'Hammersmith 1975') is that I OWN those particular 'MASTER' tapes, so I know that they exist in perfect audio quality, and could make excellent CD releases. As for the other concerts you suggest, I do not own those. (Except ofcourse in bootleg for like everyone else).
As stated at the top of the page, this thread was (genuinely) written to help me recalibrate my own moral compass...
Can I therefore say thank-you to Greg for helping realign this for me.
(Sorry for jumping between pages):
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Nobody could ever say that you are not always trying... very trying.[/QUOTE]
And genuine fans wonder why collectors do NOT wish to share their treasures with QPL...
I always found it unfair that we were the one's accused of hoarding our rarities, when in fact nothing could be further than the truth.
At the end of the day, I will still own this 'Master', and while QPL can afford to turn their nose up to this (and the many other rarities I possess) it is a shame because it is the genuine fans who will suffer and lose out because of such pettiness.
So while you preach '...pooling of resources in everyone's best interests...', in reality, you (and your employers) do not give a damn. As long as the musical is a success, they can string us along with yet another re-re-release and the hope of a non-materialising anthology. It is all lip-service.
If you (by that I mean QPL) do NOT wish fans to contribute, do NOT ask - or if THEY really do wish collector collaboration, then I really think YOU need to attend some public relations courses, as I for one would rather burn my collection than donate it to such a spiteful and indifferent organisation.[/QUOTE]
Can I therefore say thank-you to Greg for helping realign this for me.
(Sorry for jumping between pages):
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1037717
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Nobody could ever say that you are not always trying... very trying.[/QUOTE]
And genuine fans wonder why collectors do NOT wish to share their treasures with QPL...
I always found it unfair that we were the one's accused of hoarding our rarities, when in fact nothing could be further than the truth.
At the end of the day, I will still own this 'Master', and while QPL can afford to turn their nose up to this (and the many other rarities I possess) it is a shame because it is the genuine fans who will suffer and lose out because of such pettiness.
So while you preach '...pooling of resources in everyone's best interests...', in reality, you (and your employers) do not give a damn. As long as the musical is a success, they can string us along with yet another re-re-release and the hope of a non-materialising anthology. It is all lip-service.
If you (by that I mean QPL) do NOT wish fans to contribute, do NOT ask - or if THEY really do wish collector collaboration, then I really think YOU need to attend some public relations courses, as I for one would rather burn my collection than donate it to such a spiteful and indifferent organisation.[/QUOTE]
Maybe a strange question - as you legally own the mastertape John, would it be (theoretically) be possible to release this - as long as you pay royaltyies to QP for their songs?
The mastertapes of Montreal were also in the hands of someone else than QP and they released it too without official approval of QP I think?
The mastertapes of Montreal were also in the hands of someone else than QP and they released it too without official approval of QP I think?
Thanks for the answers, John.
Pim - VERY interesting idea :-)
Pim - VERY interesting idea :-)
Yes, I would definitely buy such a release.
Mmmm, not sure about the issue of JSS being able to release the product as I'm not totally up to date on copyright laws, but from memory, it would seem the case is that:
JSS owns the physical tape that the concert is recorded on, and, presuming that it was bought 'legitimately' and isn't to his knowledge stolen, neither QP or EMI can do anything to make him hand it over to them. He could quite easily record over it if he wants - it's his tape to do with whatever he wants regarding the actual 'hardware' of the tape.
JSS doesn't however own the sound recording on his tape, and therefore whoever owns this can legally stop JSS releasing the recording. The sound recording may be owned by QP, although as they weren't in existence in 1973/4 this is doubtful. EMI Records could own the sound recording but personally I doubt that is so as they would not have usually spent a great deal of money organising a live concert recording of a relatively unknown artist at their own cost. Interestingly, it may therefore actually be someone like the BBC or Trident who actually owns the sound recording. JSS - is the master labelled to say who owns the sound recording??
In the case that the sound recording isn't owned by QP or EMI, I believe that JSS could potentially come to an agreement with either such company and the gig could officially and quite legally be released without the knowledge or approval of QP or EMI.
JSS - is the master tape you hold a multitrack recording (ie could be remixed), or is it already a mixed down final stereo mix??
Perhaps someone with a greater understanding of copyright law could confirm or amend my thoughts above?
Cheers
Mmmm, not sure about the issue of JSS being able to release the product as I'm not totally up to date on copyright laws, but from memory, it would seem the case is that:
JSS owns the physical tape that the concert is recorded on, and, presuming that it was bought 'legitimately' and isn't to his knowledge stolen, neither QP or EMI can do anything to make him hand it over to them. He could quite easily record over it if he wants - it's his tape to do with whatever he wants regarding the actual 'hardware' of the tape.
JSS doesn't however own the sound recording on his tape, and therefore whoever owns this can legally stop JSS releasing the recording. The sound recording may be owned by QP, although as they weren't in existence in 1973/4 this is doubtful. EMI Records could own the sound recording but personally I doubt that is so as they would not have usually spent a great deal of money organising a live concert recording of a relatively unknown artist at their own cost. Interestingly, it may therefore actually be someone like the BBC or Trident who actually owns the sound recording. JSS - is the master labelled to say who owns the sound recording??
In the case that the sound recording isn't owned by QP or EMI, I believe that JSS could potentially come to an agreement with either such company and the gig could officially and quite legally be released without the knowledge or approval of QP or EMI.
JSS - is the master tape you hold a multitrack recording (ie could be remixed), or is it already a mixed down final stereo mix??
Perhaps someone with a greater understanding of copyright law could confirm or amend my thoughts above?
Cheers