I don't think the comparisons are valid as recording techniques changed in the interim.
The Beatles would play songs over and over until they'd put in a good enough performance - Queen never did this.
Plus The Beatles are the most collectable band on the planet - Queen are (at best) a distant second. This creates a significantly increased demand/market/value for/to unreleased material - increasing the temptation for the type of people who COULD leak stuff.
Finally, if, 20 years ago, you'd have said to me that I'd be able to hear recordings of:
The Reaction
Ibex
1984
Wreckage
I'd have been astounded. Which perhaps goes to show that the more we get, the more we want.
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I think to be fair also, against popular belief, there are NOT that many Queen out-takes (especially from the earlier albums) and by comparison the cupboard is bare.
Like the 'hundereds' of live studioboard concerts which were supposed to exist - the existence of loads of studio demos is another urban myth.
I know this is a controversial stance - but just think about it.
First: Roger Taylor tells us that while recording 'Queen II' the tape '...went transparent - and that many of the overdubs had to be glued to the master'.
From the very beginning, the Master version of 'Queen II' was in such disrepair, the best version in existence is NOT the original first generation master per say - but a safety copy.
Therefore the only 'Queen II' 'out-takes' of any worth are the individual isolated tracks. (True from this we can re-create 'new mixes', 5.1 remixes or even karaoke or acapella versions - but there are certainly no missing masterpieces like an EMI Trident version of the BBC's 'See What A Fool I've Been').
Second: Greg has been hawking 'the best of the rest' at conventions since c2000 - and apart from false-starts or 'remixed demo's' (by that I mean isolated karaoke, bass or drum parts etc) and nothing of great worth has leaked from any of these events.
I am NOT saying that NOTHING exists - or that an 'Anthology' would not be a worthwhile project - however, if you are waiting for a repeat of a 'Beatles' type box-set, I think we are all in for a major disappointment.
Like the 'hundereds' of live studioboard concerts which were supposed to exist - the existence of loads of studio demos is another urban myth.
I know this is a controversial stance - but just think about it.
First: Roger Taylor tells us that while recording 'Queen II' the tape '...went transparent - and that many of the overdubs had to be glued to the master'.
From the very beginning, the Master version of 'Queen II' was in such disrepair, the best version in existence is NOT the original first generation master per say - but a safety copy.
Therefore the only 'Queen II' 'out-takes' of any worth are the individual isolated tracks. (True from this we can re-create 'new mixes', 5.1 remixes or even karaoke or acapella versions - but there are certainly no missing masterpieces like an EMI Trident version of the BBC's 'See What A Fool I've Been').
Second: Greg has been hawking 'the best of the rest' at conventions since c2000 - and apart from false-starts or 'remixed demo's' (by that I mean isolated karaoke, bass or drum parts etc) and nothing of great worth has leaked from any of these events.
I am NOT saying that NOTHING exists - or that an 'Anthology' would not be a worthwhile project - however, if you are waiting for a repeat of a 'Beatles' type box-set, I think we are all in for a major disappointment.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
First: Roger Taylor tells us that while recording 'Queen II' the tape '...went transparent - and that many of the overdubs had to be glued to the master'.
From the very beginning, the Master version of 'Queen II' was in such disrepair, the best version in existence is NOT the original first generation master per say - but a safety copy.
Therefore the only 'Queen II' 'out-takes' of any worth are the individual isolated tracks. (True from this we can re-create 'new mixes', 5.1 remixes or even karaoke or acapella versions - but there are certainly no missing masterpieces like an EMI Trident version of the BBC's 'See What A Fool I've Been').
I am NOT saying that NOTHING exists - or that an 'Anthology' would not be a worthwhile project - however, if you are waiting for a repeat of a 'Beatles' type box-set, I think we are all in for a major disappointment. [/QUOTE]
They can only overdub on the original multitracks - not what would become the stereo master. The number of overdubs would have no bearing of the physical condition of the stereo mixdown master. The stories of the multitracks going transparent are probably exaggerations anyway to get the point across regarding the number of overdubs. This also says nothing about any outtakes that may or may not be remaining.
I'm sure it fair to say there is easily enough decent material in the vaults to match the Beatles anthologies.
First: Roger Taylor tells us that while recording 'Queen II' the tape '...went transparent - and that many of the overdubs had to be glued to the master'.
From the very beginning, the Master version of 'Queen II' was in such disrepair, the best version in existence is NOT the original first generation master per say - but a safety copy.
Therefore the only 'Queen II' 'out-takes' of any worth are the individual isolated tracks. (True from this we can re-create 'new mixes', 5.1 remixes or even karaoke or acapella versions - but there are certainly no missing masterpieces like an EMI Trident version of the BBC's 'See What A Fool I've Been').
I am NOT saying that NOTHING exists - or that an 'Anthology' would not be a worthwhile project - however, if you are waiting for a repeat of a 'Beatles' type box-set, I think we are all in for a major disappointment. [/QUOTE]
They can only overdub on the original multitracks - not what would become the stereo master. The number of overdubs would have no bearing of the physical condition of the stereo mixdown master. The stories of the multitracks going transparent are probably exaggerations anyway to get the point across regarding the number of overdubs. This also says nothing about any outtakes that may or may not be remaining.
I'm sure it fair to say there is easily enough decent material in the vaults to match the Beatles anthologies.
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If Freddie's 2-album solo career could fill a 10 CD boxset, I'm sure there must be some interesting Queen stuff in the archives. Probably no unreleased BoRhap part II - but the instrumental Sail Away Sweet Sister just shared here on QZ is great too.
I wouldn't mind seeing a disc filled with instrumental and a capella songs from the Queen II album. I wouldn't mind having a 3 CD set for each album - 1 original album in 5.1 / sacd + 1 cd with the most interesting a capella & instrumentals (I wouldn't mind if the instrumental WWRY wasn't included ;)) / + 1 CD with outtakes, demo's and unheard tracks.
I wouldn't mind seeing a disc filled with instrumental and a capella songs from the Queen II album. I wouldn't mind having a 3 CD set for each album - 1 original album in 5.1 / sacd + 1 cd with the most interesting a capella & instrumentals (I wouldn't mind if the instrumental WWRY wasn't included ;)) / + 1 CD with outtakes, demo's and unheard tracks.
Oh BTW Greg - what happened to the "Queen Singles" - 10 CD set which was supposed to be released this year? I think this was also announced at a convention?
every year my interest in Queen falls away.
Like everything else Pim, certain people have these amazing ideas for Singles Collections, Live Archives and Anthologies but nothing ever comes of it.
I mean surely Queen Productions/EMI knew when and where a particular single got to number one.
A lot of debating usually around two to three months of it and then nothing.
Why Brian May cannot post here or on his website about any upcoming releases of any interest besides QPR and Montreal,i don't know.
I mean surely Queen Productions/EMI knew when and where a particular single got to number one.
A lot of debating usually around two to three months of it and then nothing.
Why Brian May cannot post here or on his website about any upcoming releases of any interest besides QPR and Montreal,i don't know.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]DARREN1977 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Why Brian May cannot post here or on his website about any upcoming releases of any interest besides QPR and Montreal,i don't know.[/QUOTE]
because he really can't be arsed
Why Brian May cannot post here or on his website about any upcoming releases of any interest besides QPR and Montreal,i don't know.[/QUOTE]
because he really can't be arsed
Exactly, unles you are an astronomer that's all he seems to give a fuck about nowadays
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]DARREN1977 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Exactly, unles you are an astronomer that's all he seems to give a fuck about nowadays[/QUOTE]
well as his own personal star has been ont he descendency of about 16 yrs...i suppose "stargazing" is all he has left
well as his own personal star has been ont he descendency of about 16 yrs...i suppose "stargazing" is all he has left
[QUOTE] [b]slithybill wrote:[/b]
I'm surprised that nothing has leaked from the Sheffield brothers.
[/QUOTE]
Somehow I stumbled upon this thread...
We can be pretty certain that the Sheetkeeckers bootleg (with the March 1974 Rainbow Theatre material) comes from them.
Theory - they were dumped by Queen and couldn't reap the rewards of their first live album, so they sent the tapes to bootleggers instead.
I bet I'm not far off.
Otherwise, where else did a properly mixed 1974 board tape come from in 1975, at the exact same time that Queen changed management?
It was the first Queen bootleg. And such a Queen bootleg has not been released since.
I'm surprised that nothing has leaked from the Sheffield brothers.
[/QUOTE]
Somehow I stumbled upon this thread...
We can be pretty certain that the Sheetkeeckers bootleg (with the March 1974 Rainbow Theatre material) comes from them.
Theory - they were dumped by Queen and couldn't reap the rewards of their first live album, so they sent the tapes to bootleggers instead.
I bet I'm not far off.
Otherwise, where else did a properly mixed 1974 board tape come from in 1975, at the exact same time that Queen changed management?
It was the first Queen bootleg. And such a Queen bootleg has not been released since.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]slithybill wrote:[/b]
I'm surprised that nothing has leaked from the Sheffield brothers.
[/QUOTE]
Somehow I stumbled upon this thread...
We can be pretty certain that the Sheetkeeckers bootleg (with the March 1974 Rainbow Theatre material) comes from them.
Theory - they were dumped by Queen and couldn't reap the rewards of their first live album, so they sent the tapes to bootleggers instead.
I bet I'm not far off.
Otherwise, where else did a properly mixed 1974 board tape come from in 1975, at the exact same time that Queen changed management?
It was the first Queen bootleg. And such a Queen bootleg has not been released since.
[/QUOTE]
Now, that's interesting.
[QUOTE] [b]slithybill wrote:[/b]
I'm surprised that nothing has leaked from the Sheffield brothers.
[/QUOTE]
Somehow I stumbled upon this thread...
We can be pretty certain that the Sheetkeeckers bootleg (with the March 1974 Rainbow Theatre material) comes from them.
Theory - they were dumped by Queen and couldn't reap the rewards of their first live album, so they sent the tapes to bootleggers instead.
I bet I'm not far off.
Otherwise, where else did a properly mixed 1974 board tape come from in 1975, at the exact same time that Queen changed management?
It was the first Queen bootleg. And such a Queen bootleg has not been released since.
[/QUOTE]
Now, that's interesting.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[
Somehow I stumbled upon this thread...
We can be pretty certain that the Sheetkeeckers bootleg (with the March 1974 Rainbow Theatre material) comes from them.
Theory - they were dumped by Queen and couldn't reap the rewards of their first live album, so they sent the tapes to bootleggers instead.
I bet I'm not far off.
Otherwise, where else did a properly mixed 1974
board tape come from in 1975, at the exact same time that Queen changed management?
It was the first Queen bootleg. And such a Queen bootleg has not been released since.
[/QUOTE]
I always thought that recording had come from a source close to the band and or close to the recording "staff" either at the gig or the mixing studio but I'd never thought about the Sheffield brothers themselves as being responsible.
Can you imagine had Queen signed with Peter Grant in 75 the shit the Sheffield's would have been in!!
Somehow I stumbled upon this thread...
We can be pretty certain that the Sheetkeeckers bootleg (with the March 1974 Rainbow Theatre material) comes from them.
Theory - they were dumped by Queen and couldn't reap the rewards of their first live album, so they sent the tapes to bootleggers instead.
I bet I'm not far off.
Otherwise, where else did a properly mixed 1974
board tape come from in 1975, at the exact same time that Queen changed management?
It was the first Queen bootleg. And such a Queen bootleg has not been released since.
[/QUOTE]
I always thought that recording had come from a source close to the band and or close to the recording "staff" either at the gig or the mixing studio but I'd never thought about the Sheffield brothers themselves as being responsible.
Can you imagine had Queen signed with Peter Grant in 75 the shit the Sheffield's would have been in!!
Same as the Spunk Sex Pistol demo bootlegs. Even Franz Ferdinand had an 'official' bootleg way back.