OK, so because I'm partly unemployed (hey, I'm a writer, what do you expect?), I have a bit of time on my hands to think about things. Earlier today, I was perusing Wikipedia and happened across the Genesis (band) page. I knew they had been touring, but I was surprised to see they had released a box set of albums with a plethora of bonus material and DVDs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_1976-1982
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_1983-1998
(A third installment is due next year that covers the years 1970 to 1975.)
Now, at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist (or AlexRocks), what are the thoughts of Queen doing something similar? Yes, I know, having to buy the albums again for the millionth time might be a bit of a bitch, but if they offered cleaned-up sound, or even SACD, as well as bonus DVDs and an extra disc of bonus material, would that make it a little better for everyone?
It seems that the anthology projects are on indefinite hold right now, with little to no chance of being released in our lifetimes, let alone our children's children's children's lifetimes, so this might be the next best route for the band to go down.
I could see dividing the releases up thusly:
Box 1, 1970 - 1976: debut album through ADATR, with a sixth disc of B-sides, rarities, demos, and single edits.
Box 2, 1977 - 1982: NOTW through Hot Space, with a sixth disc of B-sides, rarities, extended versions, and single edits.
Box 3, 1984 - 1995: The Works through MIH, with a sixth disc of B-sides, rarities, extended versions, and single edits.
(It should be noted that this applies to studio recordings only -- no live albums or compilation albums will be included.)
Six DVDs will accompany each box, one with contemporary material and promotional videos to correspond with each era (so, the first DVD on box 1 will feature the two promotional videos for KYA and Liar, as well as any additional footage from the time). This might be an ideal opportunity for incomplete live footage to finally be released, as well.
Additionally, each box will come with an INFORMATIVE, lengthy book (as opposed to the one featured with The Crown Jewels, which just had the lyrics and a pointless essay by some MTV VJ).
And, no, it won't be on Blu-Ray.
So, good idea? Bad idea? In this day and age of constant repackaging, this might not be the worst idea in the world. Then again, I'm partial to it because I like box sets.
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You know what it just might work....
Or better still do all that but instead just stick the Genesis stuff on the disks and label it Queen...
Sorry it's late, I'm knackered but hey as to your idea, you knowsad as it is I guess I'd buy it!
Or better still do all that but instead just stick the Genesis stuff on the disks and label it Queen...
Sorry it's late, I'm knackered but hey as to your idea, you knowsad as it is I guess I'd buy it!
They should remix and remaster the whole back catalogue so that it sounds good on CD and issue each album with a bonus disc of home demos/studio demos/outtakes/single versions/edits/bsides. It would make more sense than releasing boxsets of just rarities that "only" fans would want. But.... QP aren't letting go of any unreleased material so.....
They do NOT need to re-re-re-re-re-release the studio albums again.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME]They should remix and remaster the whole back catalogue so that it sounds good on CD and issue each album with a bonus disc of home demos/studio demos/outtakes/single versions/edits/bsides. It would make more sense than releasing boxsets of just rarities that "only" fans would want. But.... QP aren't letting go of any unreleased material so.....[/QUOTE]
This is a good idea too, one that most bands have implemented over the years. I have mentioned Elvis Costello's reissue program in the past, but it's really how all bands should handle their back catalog: the first disc in the original album, with a second disc of rarities, B-sides, etc., plus a new booklet with liners penned by Elvis himself.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Michael Allred wrote: [/QUOTENAME]They do NOT need to re-re-re-re-re-release the studio albums again. [/QUOTE]
Considering the only available albums in stores are the 1991 Hollywood remasters (in the US) and the 1993/1994 EMI remasters (in the UK), Queen's back catalog has pretty much been neglected and is horribly outdated.
This is a good idea too, one that most bands have implemented over the years. I have mentioned Elvis Costello's reissue program in the past, but it's really how all bands should handle their back catalog: the first disc in the original album, with a second disc of rarities, B-sides, etc., plus a new booklet with liners penned by Elvis himself.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Michael Allred wrote: [/QUOTENAME]They do NOT need to re-re-re-re-re-release the studio albums again. [/QUOTE]
Considering the only available albums in stores are the 1991 Hollywood remasters (in the US) and the 1993/1994 EMI remasters (in the UK), Queen's back catalog has pretty much been neglected and is horribly outdated.
Lester, I was under the impression that the 2001/2004 remasters were also on UK store shelves. Yes, both at the same time!
Adam.
Adam.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lester Burnham wrote: [/QUOTENAME](A third installment is due next year that covers the years 1970 to 1975.)
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Saving the best for last. I wonder if they'll use stuff that's already released on the Genesis Archive I box?
But the thing about Genesis, they don't re-issue something every two years. When the "commemorative" edition comes out for an album, just don't release another edition again and again and again.
Past history shows QPL can't do that.
Side note:
How come Lester can quote Wikipedia, but if someone else uses it for "research" we burn them at the stake. Even the propietors of a certain Wikipedia look-a-like site constantly trash Wiki. Why? Has Lester started spreading lies across the QZ community? No! He simply started a good discussion, which has seemed to evade this site recently.
Examples:
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I am re-defining the meaning of the word "research", accordingly, Mylord :)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Erin wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Miracle-Man! wrote: [/QUOTENAME]YV,the result of my research of Time is what I found in wikipedia[/QUOTE]
Research flaw revealed. ;-)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Penetration_Guru wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Are you recanting now that the guy has revealed his extensive research to be wiki fucking pedia???
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Saving the best for last. I wonder if they'll use stuff that's already released on the Genesis Archive I box?
But the thing about Genesis, they don't re-issue something every two years. When the "commemorative" edition comes out for an album, just don't release another edition again and again and again.
Past history shows QPL can't do that.
Side note:
How come Lester can quote Wikipedia, but if someone else uses it for "research" we burn them at the stake. Even the propietors of a certain Wikipedia look-a-like site constantly trash Wiki. Why? Has Lester started spreading lies across the QZ community? No! He simply started a good discussion, which has seemed to evade this site recently.
Examples:
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I am re-defining the meaning of the word "research", accordingly, Mylord :)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Erin wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Miracle-Man! wrote: [/QUOTENAME]YV,the result of my research of Time is what I found in wikipedia[/QUOTE]
Research flaw revealed. ;-)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Penetration_Guru wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Are you recanting now that the guy has revealed his extensive research to be wiki fucking pedia???
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Saving the best for last. I wonder if they'll use stuff that's already released on the Genesis Archive I box?
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It now looks like the 1970-1975 boxset will at least include the "Genesis Plays Jackson"-tape, which is about 10-15 minutes in length I think. The Musical Box, Fountain of Salmacis etc. all evolved from there I think.
But who cares about unreleased stuff if you can have Supper's Ready in 5.1 surround!?
Saving the best for last. I wonder if they'll use stuff that's already released on the Genesis Archive I box?
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It now looks like the 1970-1975 boxset will at least include the "Genesis Plays Jackson"-tape, which is about 10-15 minutes in length I think. The Musical Box, Fountain of Salmacis etc. all evolved from there I think.
But who cares about unreleased stuff if you can have Supper's Ready in 5.1 surround!?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME][/QUOTENAME]( No! He simply started a good discussion, which has seemed to evade this site recently.
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I completly agree with this statement
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I completly agree with this statement
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME]They should remix and remaster the whole back catalogue so that it sounds good on CD and issue each album with a bonus disc of home demos/studio demos/outtakes/single versions/edits/bsides. It would make more sense than releasing boxsets of just rarities that "only" fans would want. But.... QP aren't letting go of any unreleased material so.....[/QUOTE]
I'm really not sure why they would want to remix all the albums? We have remixes of certain singles, and extended (but not remixed)versions of others, and these could do with a remastered release.
With regard to remasters, the Japanese vinyl replica releases (2004) are available in stores in the UK and online , and are easily the best sounding remasters yet - we don't need another set of re-released albums with no improvements.
Going back to the original poster - marvellous idea of releasing rarities CDs and DVDs in chronological order; perhaps if they did they could release two versions of each package - one with the original album and one without. Then at least we could choose whether we wanted our 10th different version of ANATO or whether to just buy the rarities.
All a bit of an academic discussion unfortunately, as it'll never happen - Brian is happily chatting away on his soapbox at the moment saying how he should re-release Starfleet Project on CD, whilst obviously forgetting that it was available on the Back To The Light CD singles!!!!
I'm really not sure why they would want to remix all the albums? We have remixes of certain singles, and extended (but not remixed)versions of others, and these could do with a remastered release.
With regard to remasters, the Japanese vinyl replica releases (2004) are available in stores in the UK and online , and are easily the best sounding remasters yet - we don't need another set of re-released albums with no improvements.
Going back to the original poster - marvellous idea of releasing rarities CDs and DVDs in chronological order; perhaps if they did they could release two versions of each package - one with the original album and one without. Then at least we could choose whether we wanted our 10th different version of ANATO or whether to just buy the rarities.
All a bit of an academic discussion unfortunately, as it'll never happen - Brian is happily chatting away on his soapbox at the moment saying how he should re-release Starfleet Project on CD, whilst obviously forgetting that it was available on the Back To The Light CD singles!!!!
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Brian is happily chatting away on his soapbox at the moment saying how he should re-release Starfleet Project on CD, whilst obviously forgetting that it was available on the Back To The Light CD singles!!!![/QUOTE]
yeah but these were not available to most (or at least alot) of people, I was only able to get it on Ebay about 6 months ago. And they were wplit up on to 2 discs, and in a differant order...which was kind of crappy. So even though I wouldnt buy it again (unless i got a really good deal) I think this is not that bad of an idea.
Brian is happily chatting away on his soapbox at the moment saying how he should re-release Starfleet Project on CD, whilst obviously forgetting that it was available on the Back To The Light CD singles!!!![/QUOTE]
yeah but these were not available to most (or at least alot) of people, I was only able to get it on Ebay about 6 months ago. And they were wplit up on to 2 discs, and in a differant order...which was kind of crappy. So even though I wouldnt buy it again (unless i got a really good deal) I think this is not that bad of an idea.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Side note:
How come Lester can quote Wikipedia, but if someone else uses it for "research" we burn them at the stake. Even the propietors of a certain Wikipedia look-a-like site constantly trash Wiki. Why? Has Lester started spreading lies across the QZ community? No! He simply started a good discussion, which has seemed to evade this site recently.[/QUOTE]
'ere, I'll provide something more "official":
http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-1976-1982/dp/B000P46P82/
http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-1983-1998/dp/B000T4F0I4/
I know Wikipedia is a horrible resource, so I stand humbly corrected.
How come Lester can quote Wikipedia, but if someone else uses it for "research" we burn them at the stake. Even the propietors of a certain Wikipedia look-a-like site constantly trash Wiki. Why? Has Lester started spreading lies across the QZ community? No! He simply started a good discussion, which has seemed to evade this site recently.[/QUOTE]
'ere, I'll provide something more "official":
http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-1976-1982/dp/B000P46P82/
http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-1983-1998/dp/B000T4F0I4/
I know Wikipedia is a horrible resource, so I stand humbly corrected.
You don't need to apologize for anything Lester. Great thread. I went to the genesis box website... Whew!!! lots to digest there. (note sarcasm)
I find Wiki quite enlightening, but mainly for the links at the bottom of the page.
I find Wiki quite enlightening, but mainly for the links at the bottom of the page.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]cmsdrums wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I'm really not sure why they would want to remix all the albums? We have remixes of certain singles, and extended (but not remixed)versions of others, and these could do with a remastered release. [/QUOTE]
Remix in the sense of going back to the multitracks and mixing them for CD - not of the albums sound great on CD (inc. the recent Japanese remasters)... probably due to lost stereo masters etc. Not dance remixes.
I'm really not sure why they would want to remix all the albums? We have remixes of certain singles, and extended (but not remixed)versions of others, and these could do with a remastered release. [/QUOTE]
Remix in the sense of going back to the multitracks and mixing them for CD - not of the albums sound great on CD (inc. the recent Japanese remasters)... probably due to lost stereo masters etc. Not dance remixes.
You know... Supper's Ready is completely awesome. Anyway, I think this idea could work and it could work for both ideas. Some people on here are saying "yes box" some are saying "no, only fans would buy that". Well, what Genesis did was release the three boxed sets AND also released each album (except the b-side albums) individually, meaning that the casual fan can go and buy Abacab, Invisble Touch and Selling England By the Pound and avoid all the other (really good) stuff they don't really want, but can still have SACD quality.