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Wasn't Wembley first released on CD and video in 1992? So exactly when did Freddie do the overdubs? Had they already decided in 1986 that they would release Wembley on CD and video 6 years later?[/QUOTE]
Why do you think Freddie did the overdubs himself ? They had many different recordings of his voice from both studio and live multitracks
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
Wasn't Wembley first released on CD and video in 1992? So exactly when did Freddie do the overdubs? Had they already decided in 1986 that they would release Wembley on CD and video 6 years later?
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Why do you think Freddie did the overdubs himself ? They had many different recordings of his voice from both studio and live multitracks
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I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album. I want to have a version of this show without the overdubs. Is there any chance anyone could help me? Unfortunately the genuine Wembley concert can't be uploaded to here or to Dime.
Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
Wasn't Wembley first released on CD and video in 1992? So exactly when did Freddie do the overdubs? Had they already decided in 1986 that they would release Wembley on CD and video 6 years later?
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Why do you think Freddie did the overdubs himself ? They had many different recordings of his voice from both studio and live multitracks
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I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album. I want to have a version of this show without the overdubs. Is there any chance anyone could help me? Unfortunately the genuine Wembley concert can't be uploaded to here or to Dime.
Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
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[b]pittrek wrote: [/b]
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
Wasn't Wembley first released on CD and video in 1992? So exactly when did Freddie do the overdubs? Had they already decided in 1986 that they would release Wembley on CD and video 6 years later?
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Why do you think Freddie did the overdubs himself ? They had many different recordings of his voice from both studio and live multitracks
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I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album. I want to have a version of this show without the overdubs. Is there any chance anyone could help me? Unfortunately the genuine Wembley concert can't be uploaded to here or to Dime.
Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?
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I think the radio version of Wembley can be uploaded here(different soruce than the official release). Given the fact Pittrek is trying to get the entire show and given the fact he has uploaded many wonderful things he has created before I think you might be lucky some time soon:-)
[b]aion wrote: [/b]
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[b]pittrek wrote: [/b]
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
Wasn't Wembley first released on CD and video in 1992? So exactly when did Freddie do the overdubs? Had they already decided in 1986 that they would release Wembley on CD and video 6 years later?
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Why do you think Freddie did the overdubs himself ? They had many different recordings of his voice from both studio and live multitracks
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I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album. I want to have a version of this show without the overdubs. Is there any chance anyone could help me? Unfortunately the genuine Wembley concert can't be uploaded to here or to Dime.
Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?
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I think the radio version of Wembley can be uploaded here(different soruce than the official release). Given the fact Pittrek is trying to get the entire show and given the fact he has uploaded many wonderful things he has created before I think you might be lucky some time soon:-)
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album.
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Just like practically every other live album ever made. Compared to The Song Remains The Same or Kiss Alive, Wembley is about as real as it gets.
[QUOTE]Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes... the Tokyo 82/85 videos sound pure to me. I haven't compared them note to note, but after listening to the audience recording from 82 and the radio broadcast from 85, I can conclude relatively safely that no vocals were redone.
[b]aion wrote: [/b]
I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album.
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Just like practically every other live album ever made. Compared to The Song Remains The Same or Kiss Alive, Wembley is about as real as it gets.
[QUOTE]Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes... the Tokyo 82/85 videos sound pure to me. I haven't compared them note to note, but after listening to the audience recording from 82 and the radio broadcast from 85, I can conclude relatively safely that no vocals were redone.
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album.
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Just like practically every other live album ever made. Compared to The Song Remains The Same or Kiss Alive, Wembley is about as real as it gets.
[QUOTE]Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes... the Tokyo 82/85 videos sound pure to me. I haven't compared them note to note, but after listening to the audience recording from 82 and the radio broadcast from 85, I can conclude relatively safely that no vocals were redone.
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@aion: The little mistakes that are corrected on Queen releases do usually not make that much of a difference.
They had to do the overdubbing on Wembley because Freddie's voice was in pretty poor shape, unlike many other Magic tour shows. You can still hear he was hoarse at Wembley, also on the offiicial release. The result is that some high notes he hits are totally in contradiction with other easier lines he misses. But it's still a live release to me:-) In my opinion it's even too honest, I'd rather have seen them record and release a better show.
In that regard I've always feIt it would have been more logic to promote Budapest as the big Queen show(or Knebworth but they didn't choose that one for obvious reasons, being a lack of video footage)
[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album.
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Just like practically every other live album ever made. Compared to The Song Remains The Same or Kiss Alive, Wembley is about as real as it gets.
[QUOTE]Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes... the Tokyo 82/85 videos sound pure to me. I haven't compared them note to note, but after listening to the audience recording from 82 and the radio broadcast from 85, I can conclude relatively safely that no vocals were redone.
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@aion: The little mistakes that are corrected on Queen releases do usually not make that much of a difference.
They had to do the overdubbing on Wembley because Freddie's voice was in pretty poor shape, unlike many other Magic tour shows. You can still hear he was hoarse at Wembley, also on the offiicial release. The result is that some high notes he hits are totally in contradiction with other easier lines he misses. But it's still a live release to me:-) In my opinion it's even too honest, I'd rather have seen them record and release a better show.
In that regard I've always feIt it would have been more logic to promote Budapest as the big Queen show(or Knebworth but they didn't choose that one for obvious reasons, being a lack of video footage)
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album.
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Just like practically every other live album ever made. Compared to The Song Remains The Same or Kiss Alive, Wembley is about as real as it gets.
[QUOTE]Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes... the Tokyo 82/85 videos sound pure to me. I haven't compared them note to note, but after listening to the audience recording from 82 and the radio broadcast from 85, I can conclude relatively safely that no vocals were redone.
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And that's only sad, that's all I can say. Live albums shouldn't be released at all if bands can't be honest about them. But what about Queen's Live Aid performance? And also the half-official live albums of The Cross, the "official bootlegs" from Astoria, London 1990 and Düsseldorf 1991? Do you know if those were also overdubbed?
How much overdubbing is there on the recently released Milton Keynes 1982 live album?
[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]aion wrote: [/b]
I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album.
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Just like practically every other live album ever made. Compared to The Song Remains The Same or Kiss Alive, Wembley is about as real as it gets.
[QUOTE]Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes... the Tokyo 82/85 videos sound pure to me. I haven't compared them note to note, but after listening to the audience recording from 82 and the radio broadcast from 85, I can conclude relatively safely that no vocals were redone.
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And that's only sad, that's all I can say. Live albums shouldn't be released at all if bands can't be honest about them. But what about Queen's Live Aid performance? And also the half-official live albums of The Cross, the "official bootlegs" from Astoria, London 1990 and Düsseldorf 1991? Do you know if those were also overdubbed?
How much overdubbing is there on the recently released Milton Keynes 1982 live album?
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[b]on my way up wrote:[/b]
@aion: The little mistakes that are corrected on Queen releases do usually not make that much of a difference.
They had to do the overdubbing on Wembley because Freddie's voice was in pretty poor shape, unlike many other Magic tour shows. You can still hear he was hoarse at Wembley, also on the offiicial release. The result is that some high notes he hits are totally in contradiction with other easier lines he misses. But it's still a live release to me:-) In my opinion it's even too honest, I'd rather have seen them record and release a better show.
In that regard I've always feIt it would have been more logic to promote Budapest as the big Queen show(or Knebworth but they didn't choose that one for obvious reasons, being a lack of video footage)
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I've said it before but I don't think there are "mistakes" in live performances. If you forget a lyric or play a wrong chord or can't reach a high note, so what. They are just unique characteristics of that particular performance and not something that needs to be later fixed in the studio.
I agree that Freddie's voice doesn't sound good at Wembley, I mean his voice doesn't sound good even on the official release which is the "corrected" version. But if they wanted to release a show with a good vocal performance from him, they should have recorded several concerts during the tour and then picked the one on which Freddie's voice sounds the best, and then released that show without any overdubbing.
[b]on my way up wrote:[/b]
@aion: The little mistakes that are corrected on Queen releases do usually not make that much of a difference.
They had to do the overdubbing on Wembley because Freddie's voice was in pretty poor shape, unlike many other Magic tour shows. You can still hear he was hoarse at Wembley, also on the offiicial release. The result is that some high notes he hits are totally in contradiction with other easier lines he misses. But it's still a live release to me:-) In my opinion it's even too honest, I'd rather have seen them record and release a better show.
In that regard I've always feIt it would have been more logic to promote Budapest as the big Queen show(or Knebworth but they didn't choose that one for obvious reasons, being a lack of video footage)
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I've said it before but I don't think there are "mistakes" in live performances. If you forget a lyric or play a wrong chord or can't reach a high note, so what. They are just unique characteristics of that particular performance and not something that needs to be later fixed in the studio.
I agree that Freddie's voice doesn't sound good at Wembley, I mean his voice doesn't sound good even on the official release which is the "corrected" version. But if they wanted to release a show with a good vocal performance from him, they should have recorded several concerts during the tour and then picked the one on which Freddie's voice sounds the best, and then released that show without any overdubbing.
There is one famous overdub in Milton Keynes -> in Fat Bottomed Girls Freddie sings "this locality" completely differently
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you about this (I'm very busy at the moment!).
I have some good news and some bad. I have finished capturing the audio from the VHS of the original TV broadcast in 1986 (thanks for the instructions). The bad news is that it is in mono (for some reason I only recorded the TV programme in mono!!) and the sound is not terribly good but at least it should serve as a guide for what was actually broadcast - just to be clear, this copy contains exactly what was broadcast on the radio (as they were broadcast simultaneously).
Am I allowed to post this here??
P.S. I definitely recorded the radio broadcast at the same time but unfortunately lent this tape to a friend of mine about 10 years ago and never got it back. He is looking for it as we speak.
I have some good news and some bad. I have finished capturing the audio from the VHS of the original TV broadcast in 1986 (thanks for the instructions). The bad news is that it is in mono (for some reason I only recorded the TV programme in mono!!) and the sound is not terribly good but at least it should serve as a guide for what was actually broadcast - just to be clear, this copy contains exactly what was broadcast on the radio (as they were broadcast simultaneously).
Am I allowed to post this here??
P.S. I definitely recorded the radio broadcast at the same time but unfortunately lent this tape to a friend of mine about 10 years ago and never got it back. He is looking for it as we speak.
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[b]Satriani wrote: [/b]
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you about this (I'm very busy at the moment!).
I have some good news and some bad. I have finished capturing the audio from the VHS of the original TV broadcast in 1986 (thanks for the instructions). The bad news is that it is in mono (for some reason I only recorded the TV programme in mono!!) and the sound is not terribly good but at least it should serve as a guide for what was actually broadcast - just to be clear, this copy contains exactly what was broadcast on the radio (as they were broadcast simultaneously).
Am I allowed to post this here??
P.S. I definitely recorded the radio broadcast at the same time but unfortunately lent this tape to a friend of mine about 10 years ago and never got it back. He is looking for it as we speak. [/QUOTE]
Hi Satriani, thanks for your reply. Trust me, I know very well what [b]busy[/b] means :-)
I really hope that your friend finds the radio broadcast, if no I'd be definitely interested even in the mono TV broadcast if it's OK to share it here
[b]Satriani wrote: [/b]
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you about this (I'm very busy at the moment!).
I have some good news and some bad. I have finished capturing the audio from the VHS of the original TV broadcast in 1986 (thanks for the instructions). The bad news is that it is in mono (for some reason I only recorded the TV programme in mono!!) and the sound is not terribly good but at least it should serve as a guide for what was actually broadcast - just to be clear, this copy contains exactly what was broadcast on the radio (as they were broadcast simultaneously).
Am I allowed to post this here??
P.S. I definitely recorded the radio broadcast at the same time but unfortunately lent this tape to a friend of mine about 10 years ago and never got it back. He is looking for it as we speak. [/QUOTE]
Hi Satriani, thanks for your reply. Trust me, I know very well what [b]busy[/b] means :-)
I really hope that your friend finds the radio broadcast, if no I'd be definitely interested even in the mono TV broadcast if it's OK to share it here
I can't see why it shouldn't be shared here.
This is a great chance for us to truly analyze why the rule for official material is in place. My thinking is that they don't want to discourage people from buying the official material if it's available here.
Tracks from the actual Wembley DVD are on Youtube, so surely there are people who watch a couple tracks there and ultimately don't buy it. But from what I can see, the only people interested in this TV broadcast version of Wembley are those who want to compare it to the DVD they purchased, probably on the first day it was released.
Or is there something else to it? I understand the need for rules, but as long as there's a rational reason, such as not cutting into the band's revenue.
This is a great chance for us to truly analyze why the rule for official material is in place. My thinking is that they don't want to discourage people from buying the official material if it's available here.
Tracks from the actual Wembley DVD are on Youtube, so surely there are people who watch a couple tracks there and ultimately don't buy it. But from what I can see, the only people interested in this TV broadcast version of Wembley are those who want to compare it to the DVD they purchased, probably on the first day it was released.
Or is there something else to it? I understand the need for rules, but as long as there's a rational reason, such as not cutting into the band's revenue.
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can't see why it shouldn't be shared here.
This is a great chance for us to truly analyze why the rule for official material is in place. My thinking is that they don't want to discourage people from buying the official material if it's available here.
Tracks from the actual Wembley DVD are on Youtube, so surely there are people who watch a couple tracks there and ultimately don't buy it. But the only people interested in this TV broadcast version of Wembley are those who want to compare it to the DVD they purchased, probably on the first day it was released.
Or is there something else to it? I understand the need for rules, but as long as there's a rational reason.
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I entirely agree with you!
[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can't see why it shouldn't be shared here.
This is a great chance for us to truly analyze why the rule for official material is in place. My thinking is that they don't want to discourage people from buying the official material if it's available here.
Tracks from the actual Wembley DVD are on Youtube, so surely there are people who watch a couple tracks there and ultimately don't buy it. But the only people interested in this TV broadcast version of Wembley are those who want to compare it to the DVD they purchased, probably on the first day it was released.
Or is there something else to it? I understand the need for rules, but as long as there's a rational reason.
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I entirely agree with you!
Another bit of food for thought...
Official releases are often broadcast on TV, so millions of people can potentially watch something instead of buying it. Of course the band gets their cut, but really, what's the difference between having it on TV at 8pm or being available to download to watch it on your own time? The same question goes for movies being shown on TV, or even songs on the radio. Or am I missing something?
Official releases are often broadcast on TV, so millions of people can potentially watch something instead of buying it. Of course the band gets their cut, but really, what's the difference between having it on TV at 8pm or being available to download to watch it on your own time? The same question goes for movies being shown on TV, or even songs on the radio. Or am I missing something?
Well I fully agree with you, but we definitely need Richard's or at least Barbara's OK. Especially when this site is being visited by "QP employees"
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can't see why it shouldn't be shared here.
This is a great chance for us to truly analyze why the rule for official material is in place. My thinking is that they don't want to discourage people from buying the official material if it's available here.
Tracks from the actual Wembley DVD are on Youtube, so surely there are people who watch a couple tracks there and ultimately don't buy it. But from what I can see, the only people interested in this TV broadcast version of Wembley are those who want to compare it to the DVD they purchased, probably on the first day it was released.
Or is there something else to it? I understand the need for rules, but as long as there's a rational reason, such as not cutting into the band's revenue.
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From what I've hear people from QP are relatively tollerant against things like sharing of unofficial recordings or YouTube videos.
But you're right, I can't imagine who else could be interested in a TV broadcast of an officially released recording other then people interested in finding out "what was added"
[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can't see why it shouldn't be shared here.
This is a great chance for us to truly analyze why the rule for official material is in place. My thinking is that they don't want to discourage people from buying the official material if it's available here.
Tracks from the actual Wembley DVD are on Youtube, so surely there are people who watch a couple tracks there and ultimately don't buy it. But from what I can see, the only people interested in this TV broadcast version of Wembley are those who want to compare it to the DVD they purchased, probably on the first day it was released.
Or is there something else to it? I understand the need for rules, but as long as there's a rational reason, such as not cutting into the band's revenue.
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From what I've hear people from QP are relatively tollerant against things like sharing of unofficial recordings or YouTube videos.
But you're right, I can't imagine who else could be interested in a TV broadcast of an officially released recording other then people interested in finding out "what was added"