[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vadenuez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I agree with Benn. By all means, the new Queen should follow the example given by Velvet Revolver. Nobody expects G n'R or STP nostalgia with them. They are a whole new band with they're own rightfully acclaimed hit singles.[/QUOTE]
Aren't you deluding yourself a bit here? :/
Nobody expects Velvet Revolver to sound like GNR or STP and to play their hits because it has a completely new name! "Queen" on the other hand is using the same old name for a whole new kind of material, and intentionally opening the door to high expectations and harsh critique when those expectations aren't reached... Perhaps a new name might have been a good idea for them as well? :P[/QUOTE]
Actually we have the very same point but you explained it better ;) Slash, Wieland and co. started a new band from scratch and left their successful past behind them. Brian and Roger would make it better if they leave the Queen banner and concentrate in being a new band with PR, so they wouldn't have to be their own cover band forever.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vadenuez wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vadenuez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I agree with Benn. By all means, the new Queen should follow the example given by Velvet Revolver. Nobody expects G n'R or STP nostalgia with them. They are a whole new band with they're own rightfully acclaimed hit singles.[/QUOTE]
Aren't you deluding yourself a bit here? :/
Nobody expects Velvet Revolver to sound like GNR or STP and to play their hits because it has a completely new name! "Queen" on the other hand is using the same old name for a whole new kind of material, and intentionally opening the door to high expectations and harsh critique when those expectations aren't reached... Perhaps a new name might have been a good idea for them as well? :P[/QUOTE]
Actually we have the very same point but you explained it better ;) Slash, Wieland and co. started a new band from scratch and left their successful past behind them. Brian and Roger would make it better if they leave the Queen banner and concentrate in being a new band with PR, so they wouldn't have to be their own cover band forever.[/QUOTE]
Okay, that explains it... I was wondering why your post seemed so contradictory.
Sorry about calling you deluded.
Aren't you deluding yourself a bit here? :/
Nobody expects Velvet Revolver to sound like GNR or STP and to play their hits because it has a completely new name! "Queen" on the other hand is using the same old name for a whole new kind of material, and intentionally opening the door to high expectations and harsh critique when those expectations aren't reached... Perhaps a new name might have been a good idea for them as well? :P[/QUOTE]
Actually we have the very same point but you explained it better ;) Slash, Wieland and co. started a new band from scratch and left their successful past behind them. Brian and Roger would make it better if they leave the Queen banner and concentrate in being a new band with PR, so they wouldn't have to be their own cover band forever.[/QUOTE]
Okay, that explains it... I was wondering why your post seemed so contradictory.
Sorry about calling you deluded.
No problem, Tero :)
After listening SINT at least ten times, I'm sorry to say that my worst fears are coming true: Queen+ are nothing more than a good rocking band, but the Queen days will never ever come back. It's not just about Freddie's gone forever or nostalgia... it's simply that two men can't possibly achieve whatever a four-men ensemble were capable of doing. For starters they don't have a bass player: playing bass in a song is one thing, but having a regular bass player, someone able to stand up and give some valuable input for a song, that's different. Then they had John Deacon, who was an old friend of them and was enough talented to build an interesting bass line according to the sound they wished to get. And they had Freddie Mercury, who had enough bollocks to modify someone else's song to make it fit exactly where they wanted it to be or to make improvements without being scared about the new direction that the song may take. SINT clearly shows a total lack of brainstorming.
To all of those who think that Queen+ ain't Queen just because there's no Freddie, you should rethink it: being two men doing a four man job, Queen+ will never be Queen, simply because they're not a band anymore. The best they'll be able to do is COPY their own long gone sound (which won't be enough) or change the direction and start finding new goals with PR, Spike Edney and whoever joins them.
After listening SINT at least ten times, I'm sorry to say that my worst fears are coming true: Queen+ are nothing more than a good rocking band, but the Queen days will never ever come back. It's not just about Freddie's gone forever or nostalgia... it's simply that two men can't possibly achieve whatever a four-men ensemble were capable of doing. For starters they don't have a bass player: playing bass in a song is one thing, but having a regular bass player, someone able to stand up and give some valuable input for a song, that's different. Then they had John Deacon, who was an old friend of them and was enough talented to build an interesting bass line according to the sound they wished to get. And they had Freddie Mercury, who had enough bollocks to modify someone else's song to make it fit exactly where they wanted it to be or to make improvements without being scared about the new direction that the song may take. SINT clearly shows a total lack of brainstorming.
To all of those who think that Queen+ ain't Queen just because there's no Freddie, you should rethink it: being two men doing a four man job, Queen+ will never be Queen, simply because they're not a band anymore. The best they'll be able to do is COPY their own long gone sound (which won't be enough) or change the direction and start finding new goals with PR, Spike Edney and whoever joins them.
Though I really like the new version of SINT it's missing something. Not Freddie, but it misses that 'special touch' that No-One But You DID have 10 years back.
Still, I rather hear them making new music which isn't 100% Queen than only covering old Queen tracks with new acts like 5ive, Britney, Robbie etc.
Bring on the album :)
Still, I rather hear them making new music which isn't 100% Queen than only covering old Queen tracks with new acts like 5ive, Britney, Robbie etc.
Bring on the album :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vadenuez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No problem, Tero :)
"...it's simply that two men can't possibly achieve whatever a four-men ensemble were capable of doing. For starters they don't have a bass player: playing bass in a song is one thing, but having a regular bass player, someone able to stand up and give some valuable input for a song, that's different. Then they had John Deacon, who was an old friend of them and was enough talented to build an interesting bass line according to the sound they wished to get. And they had Freddie Mercury, who had enough bollocks to modify someone else's song to make it fit exactly where they wanted it to be or to make improvements without being scared about the new direction that the song may take. SINT clearly shows a total lack of brainstorming.
To all of those who think that Queen+ ain't Queen just because there's no Freddie, you should rethink it: being two men doing a four man job, Queen+ will never be Queen, simply because they're not a band anymore. The best they'll be able to do is COPY their own long gone sound (which won't be enough) or change the direction and start finding new goals with PR, Spike Edney and whoever joins them." [/QUOTE]
What a brilliant post! One of the things that has never been discussed during the "are they Queen?" debate is playing and dynamics. Again, Brian and Roger can and will call themselves Queen, but they never will be for the reasons Vadanuez just stated. Getting the Queen sound and songs used to be a battle. Now if Brian brings a song in, he's lost 50% of his creative team/adversaries who may take it in a different direction. John added so much that Brian, Roger and Paul never would be able to as a bass player. They're totally different instruments, and as wonderful a bass player as John is, I doubt that Queen would have had much of an impact if he were the Queen guitarist.
"...it's simply that two men can't possibly achieve whatever a four-men ensemble were capable of doing. For starters they don't have a bass player: playing bass in a song is one thing, but having a regular bass player, someone able to stand up and give some valuable input for a song, that's different. Then they had John Deacon, who was an old friend of them and was enough talented to build an interesting bass line according to the sound they wished to get. And they had Freddie Mercury, who had enough bollocks to modify someone else's song to make it fit exactly where they wanted it to be or to make improvements without being scared about the new direction that the song may take. SINT clearly shows a total lack of brainstorming.
To all of those who think that Queen+ ain't Queen just because there's no Freddie, you should rethink it: being two men doing a four man job, Queen+ will never be Queen, simply because they're not a band anymore. The best they'll be able to do is COPY their own long gone sound (which won't be enough) or change the direction and start finding new goals with PR, Spike Edney and whoever joins them." [/QUOTE]
What a brilliant post! One of the things that has never been discussed during the "are they Queen?" debate is playing and dynamics. Again, Brian and Roger can and will call themselves Queen, but they never will be for the reasons Vadanuez just stated. Getting the Queen sound and songs used to be a battle. Now if Brian brings a song in, he's lost 50% of his creative team/adversaries who may take it in a different direction. John added so much that Brian, Roger and Paul never would be able to as a bass player. They're totally different instruments, and as wonderful a bass player as John is, I doubt that Queen would have had much of an impact if he were the Queen guitarist.
Indeed the bass is the biggest flaw in SINT. It confirms how important John was for the band in terms of sound: without him they still can write great songs (as they did before him), without him they can write great bass-lines (as they have in their solo albums and even within Queen), but without him (or a capable bassist for that matter) the bass will sound amateur, and ruin (for some extent) an otherwise marvellous record.
It's like having John Deacon, Kerry Livgren and Andrew Lloyd Webber forming a band ... the three of them are capable of great melodies, but they're not singers. They need somebody to bring life to the melodies and/or lyrics they write.
Brian, Roger and Paul have many great skills ... but playing bass on a high level isn't one of them.
It's like having John Deacon, Kerry Livgren and Andrew Lloyd Webber forming a band ... the three of them are capable of great melodies, but they're not singers. They need somebody to bring life to the melodies and/or lyrics they write.
Brian, Roger and Paul have many great skills ... but playing bass on a high level isn't one of them.