[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]While we could all simply relish in the music,[/QUOTE]
That would be SO much easier if the music happened to be something that personally excited me, instead of just relishing it because it's a new "Queen" track. ;)
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Agreed. Back in the days when Queen was a young and fresh band without a defined style, they liked to experiment a lot (Brian could bring a whole Jazz band out of a single guitar, damn it!). Now it's just about saying "let's bang the drums really hard and play a guitar solo like we did in The Miracle / Innuendo years and let's tell everyone we're back with our trademark sound". Nothing new, nothing bold. Just covering grounds they already traveled.
The Innuendo album was the perfect example that they could be a really tight and strong band without having to revisit their old sound or studio tricks.
The Innuendo album was the perfect example that they could be a really tight and strong band without having to revisit their old sound or studio tricks.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vadenuez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Now it's just about saying "let's bang the drums really hard and play a guitar solo like we did in The Miracle / Innuendo years and let's tell everyone we're back with our trademark sound". Nothing new, nothing bold. Just covering grounds they already traveled.
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Nothing against you, of course, but I doubt that's what it's all about. How could you say such a thing after listening to Say It's Not True? The song itself contains several elements of the Queen sound, not including the heavy part at the end. The lyrics and sentimental value hark back to songs like Is This The World We Created. The song has meaning and depth that should not be taken out of consideration. But I'm sure you're aware of that. Besides, nobody should be judging the outcome of the new album soley based upon one single.
This is indeed a very bold move for Queen right now, and also for Paul Rodgers. First of all, going back in the studio and touring with a new frontman is bold enough as it is. They probably had no idea how their fans would react, and unsurprisingly it has resulted in an uproar among a great number of fans. Second of all, as mentioned before, we have not heard all of their music from the new album. We've only heard one song, and there's a probability it won't show up on the new album. Don't be so quick to judge. Third of all, even if they stick to the style they left off with in 1991, it will still be a very bold move. Yes, it's covering old ground, but that is the Queen sound and the sound they ended with when their dear friend Freddie Mercury past away. It's a more mature and sophisticated sound when compared to songs like Crazy Little Thing Called Love and Now I'm Here. Besides, would we really want another Bohemian Rhapsody or Crazy Little Thing Called Love? Or another We Will Rock You or Radio Ga Ga? I wouldn't. They can either stick with the Innuendo/Made In Heaven sound, or move on like you would suggest. Either way it's good music.
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Nothing against you, of course, but I doubt that's what it's all about. How could you say such a thing after listening to Say It's Not True? The song itself contains several elements of the Queen sound, not including the heavy part at the end. The lyrics and sentimental value hark back to songs like Is This The World We Created. The song has meaning and depth that should not be taken out of consideration. But I'm sure you're aware of that. Besides, nobody should be judging the outcome of the new album soley based upon one single.
This is indeed a very bold move for Queen right now, and also for Paul Rodgers. First of all, going back in the studio and touring with a new frontman is bold enough as it is. They probably had no idea how their fans would react, and unsurprisingly it has resulted in an uproar among a great number of fans. Second of all, as mentioned before, we have not heard all of their music from the new album. We've only heard one song, and there's a probability it won't show up on the new album. Don't be so quick to judge. Third of all, even if they stick to the style they left off with in 1991, it will still be a very bold move. Yes, it's covering old ground, but that is the Queen sound and the sound they ended with when their dear friend Freddie Mercury past away. It's a more mature and sophisticated sound when compared to songs like Crazy Little Thing Called Love and Now I'm Here. Besides, would we really want another Bohemian Rhapsody or Crazy Little Thing Called Love? Or another We Will Rock You or Radio Ga Ga? I wouldn't. They can either stick with the Innuendo/Made In Heaven sound, or move on like you would suggest. Either way it's good music.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]father to my son wrote: [/QUOTENAME]basically there are 2 sorts of queen fans , them who wont accept qpr , and them who cherish seeing bri and rog in concert . i know which i prefer :) [/QUOTE]
Why pigeonhole the fans? I much prefer to take it song by song these days. For example during the 2005/6 tour, I liked the reworking of 'Hammer to Fall' but didn't enjoy Paul's input on Bohemian Rhapsody. Surely it's a touch narrow-minded to put yourself on either side of the coin and stick there. They'll have good days, they'll have bad. It doesn't make you less of a fan, just a discerning one.
Why pigeonhole the fans? I much prefer to take it song by song these days. For example during the 2005/6 tour, I liked the reworking of 'Hammer to Fall' but didn't enjoy Paul's input on Bohemian Rhapsody. Surely it's a touch narrow-minded to put yourself on either side of the coin and stick there. They'll have good days, they'll have bad. It doesn't make you less of a fan, just a discerning one.
I missed Paul dancing on Freddie's grave, but it would be an excellent Stage prop.
Keep on selling out Brian & Roger!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ramirez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
This is indeed a very bold move for Queen right now, and also for Paul Rodgers. First of all, going back in the studio and touring with a new frontman is bold enough as it is. [/QUOTE]
Yes, incredibly bold. They've only waited 16 years to record a new album, 21 years to tour. Freddie would have waited at least 27 years and had a bad back. Then MAYBE he would have toured again. MAYBE.
Keep on selling out Brian & Roger!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ramirez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
This is indeed a very bold move for Queen right now, and also for Paul Rodgers. First of all, going back in the studio and touring with a new frontman is bold enough as it is. [/QUOTE]
Yes, incredibly bold. They've only waited 16 years to record a new album, 21 years to tour. Freddie would have waited at least 27 years and had a bad back. Then MAYBE he would have toured again. MAYBE.
can i add my twopenneth - before i get misunderstood and misconstrued all over again...
sorry for shouting the next bit...but it's for the benefit of those who misquote or misunderstand my posts..
"I COMPLETE UPHOLD BRIAN AND ROGER'S RIGHT TO CARRY ON WORKING USING THE QUEEN NAME - IT'S THEIR BAND AND THEY WERE 50% OF QUEEN SO THEY HAVE EXECUTIVE RIGHT TO CARRY ON...MUCH MORESO THAN MANY INCARNATIONS OF DEEP PURPLE...
WHAT I AM AGAINST IS THE RELEASING AND REHASHING OF SAD TIRED OLD SHIT UNDER THE BANNER OF "NEW STUFF"
when they do release something good or something i like i will buy it...til then i won't. it's my opinion...but there has been nothing since innuendo worth listening to...MIH was tired old reworkings and filler...and finishing of unfinished songs, NOBY was a glorious sentiment (to Princess Di) but tired and dirge-like...and everything since has been utter crap. so when something good comes along i will applaude them...i just don't see my hands making any noise anytime soon!
sorry for shouting the next bit...but it's for the benefit of those who misquote or misunderstand my posts..
"I COMPLETE UPHOLD BRIAN AND ROGER'S RIGHT TO CARRY ON WORKING USING THE QUEEN NAME - IT'S THEIR BAND AND THEY WERE 50% OF QUEEN SO THEY HAVE EXECUTIVE RIGHT TO CARRY ON...MUCH MORESO THAN MANY INCARNATIONS OF DEEP PURPLE...
WHAT I AM AGAINST IS THE RELEASING AND REHASHING OF SAD TIRED OLD SHIT UNDER THE BANNER OF "NEW STUFF"
when they do release something good or something i like i will buy it...til then i won't. it's my opinion...but there has been nothing since innuendo worth listening to...MIH was tired old reworkings and filler...and finishing of unfinished songs, NOBY was a glorious sentiment (to Princess Di) but tired and dirge-like...and everything since has been utter crap. so when something good comes along i will applaude them...i just don't see my hands making any noise anytime soon!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME]NOBY was a glorious sentiment (to Princess Di) but tired and dirge-like...[/QUOTE]
But it was written about Freddie, not Princess Di.
But it was written about Freddie, not Princess Di.
Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records.
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.
Perhaps they didn't tell John and that's why he got mad and never recorded with them again!
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.
Perhaps they didn't tell John and that's why he got mad and never recorded with them again!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records.
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.
Perhaps they didn't tell John and that's why he got mad and never recorded with them again! [/QUOTE]
"It's written about Freddie, really, but I guess, if you write a song, songs have always more meanings than the first one you come across. The song in my mind started about 2 years ago. I just couldn't find all the words."
Brian May
11-03-1997 - Queen Rocks Press Conference (Cologne, Germany)
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"When I wrote ‘No-One But You’, it fitted into my original concept of what my album was supposed to be - I was going to make it about the heroes of my childhood; you know, do a Buddy Holly track, something by Hendrix, all kinds of things. Anyway, it was written as a sort of tribute to Freddie and before long, I became aware I was trying to make it sound very Queen-like. There are some musical and verbal quotes in there and I thought, if it’s going to sound like Queen, maybe it ought to be Queen. I sent the track to Roger and he loved it and said we had to do it."
Brian May
07-01-1998 - Guitarist Magazine
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However you'll tell me that Brian is talking crap, and that you know more about the song than Brian.
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.
Perhaps they didn't tell John and that's why he got mad and never recorded with them again! [/QUOTE]
"It's written about Freddie, really, but I guess, if you write a song, songs have always more meanings than the first one you come across. The song in my mind started about 2 years ago. I just couldn't find all the words."
Brian May
11-03-1997 - Queen Rocks Press Conference (Cologne, Germany)
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"When I wrote ‘No-One But You’, it fitted into my original concept of what my album was supposed to be - I was going to make it about the heroes of my childhood; you know, do a Buddy Holly track, something by Hendrix, all kinds of things. Anyway, it was written as a sort of tribute to Freddie and before long, I became aware I was trying to make it sound very Queen-like. There are some musical and verbal quotes in there and I thought, if it’s going to sound like Queen, maybe it ought to be Queen. I sent the track to Roger and he loved it and said we had to do it."
Brian May
07-01-1998 - Guitarist Magazine
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However you'll tell me that Brian is talking crap, and that you know more about the song than Brian.
With reference to No-One But You, the song was originally going to be part of Brian May's "Heroes" covers album - which never materialised.
If they wanted to do a song in tribute to Freddie I don't believe Brian/Roger would have waited six years to do so, regardless of time spent on solo albums/tours (not mention grief and upset over Freddie's death).
Going back to the topic, I don't support any form of Queen + (I make an exception for a few of the songs played at the Tribute show, although even the best covers do not match up to Queen's original).
Brian & Roger are not Queen. They were 50% of Queen. Simple as that.
I agree with Brenski's comments about waiting for something worthwhile to come along...however I must disagree with his opinion that nothing has been worthwhile since Innuendo; A Winter's Tale was the sole highlight of MIH, but the release of On Fire Live At The Bowl in 2004 was the best thing to come along since Freddie's death.
If they wanted to do a song in tribute to Freddie I don't believe Brian/Roger would have waited six years to do so, regardless of time spent on solo albums/tours (not mention grief and upset over Freddie's death).
Going back to the topic, I don't support any form of Queen + (I make an exception for a few of the songs played at the Tribute show, although even the best covers do not match up to Queen's original).
Brian & Roger are not Queen. They were 50% of Queen. Simple as that.
I agree with Brenski's comments about waiting for something worthwhile to come along...however I must disagree with his opinion that nothing has been worthwhile since Innuendo; A Winter's Tale was the sole highlight of MIH, but the release of On Fire Live At The Bowl in 2004 was the best thing to come along since Freddie's death.
Just an additional point which I think backed up my original argument. From Bri's SB today, does everyone agree that he purchased the LSC and is doing all of this extracurrical work to benefit from it financially? Obviously it's a work of passion, and that what was I was trying to get across initially, that they're touring for similar reasons. I think it illustrates it very well, thanks Bri!
I think they're two different things chrsiteb. If he's in a business venture, he should try to make money, not lose it. But when it comes to QP, if the London Stereophonic adopts their business practices of re-packaging and re-selling the same cards over and over again, I don't think they'll last long. The demand for T. R. Williams trading cards and books isn't quite the same as demand for Queen product.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records.
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.[/QUOTE]
Song demo dating from 1994 (three years before Princess Di kicked it)
Bri started 'Brighton Rock' in 1973, but it was released in 1974.
Bri started 'Back to the Light' in 1988, but it was released in 1992.
Bri started 'The Dark' in 1980, but it was released in 1992.
Bri started 'Tie Your Mother Down' while he was making his PhD, but it was released in 1976.
Bri started 'White Queen' at college (late 60's), but it was released in 1974.
So... those things can happen.
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.[/QUOTE]
Song demo dating from 1994 (three years before Princess Di kicked it)
Bri started 'Brighton Rock' in 1973, but it was released in 1974.
Bri started 'Back to the Light' in 1988, but it was released in 1992.
Bri started 'The Dark' in 1980, but it was released in 1992.
Bri started 'Tie Your Mother Down' while he was making his PhD, but it was released in 1976.
Bri started 'White Queen' at college (late 60's), but it was released in 1974.
So... those things can happen.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records.
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.[/QUOTE]
Song demo dating from 1994 (three years before Princess Di kicked it)[/QUOTE]
Perhaps Brian can see into the future... Yes that's it...
Oh and Bohemian Rhapsody is about Freddie having AIDS.
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.[/QUOTE]
Song demo dating from 1994 (three years before Princess Di kicked it)[/QUOTE]
Perhaps Brian can see into the future... Yes that's it...
Oh and Bohemian Rhapsody is about Freddie having AIDS.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]PieterMC wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records.
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.[/QUOTE]
Song demo dating from 1994 (three years before Princess Di kicked it)[/QUOTE]
Perhaps Brian can see into the future... Yes that's it...
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Does it actually take any kind of special power to figure out that someone will die someday in the future?
Song released in 1997.
She died in 1997.
Freddie died in 1991.
Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.[/QUOTE]
Song demo dating from 1994 (three years before Princess Di kicked it)[/QUOTE]
Perhaps Brian can see into the future... Yes that's it...
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Does it actually take any kind of special power to figure out that someone will die someday in the future?