[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Karen L wrote: [/QUOTENAME] The level of emotion in their music compares to no other band. [/QUOTE]
There have been many other bands and solo artists known to have just as much emotion as Queen.
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Not in my book, but you've intrigued me. Who in your opinion compares?
Your opinion, for which I strongly disagree with, seems rather uneducated, for lack of a better term. While it's just your opinion, I couldn't help but point out it is possible for other artists to have just as much emotion as the band Queen. Billy Joel, Journey, Styx, and Josh Groban are names that came straight to mind after reading your post. After that, I began to ponder by what definition you were going by. Because, quite frankly, you put no limitions as to what genre or how wide your opinion spans. For example, I had no idea if you meant Queen had more emotion than Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky, Beethoven, and Williams, or if you just meant Queen had more emotion than other bands within the expansive genre that is rock. Either way, I beg to differ, even if it is just your opinion. Perhaps you meant something else, perhaps you'd like to elaborate?
Hi, all. I'm writing from a hospital. lol I've undergone a surgery in the morning, but I'm ok. I can't sleep so I decided to come here and read what you had to say about the band. People like it for some many reasons, don't they?
People already know my opinion. :-))) I like the way Queen succeeded in dealing with their limitations as a band and as individual musicians as well. None of them, I still hold the same opinion, was really off the spectrum or exceptional, individually speaking. Together, though, they had very good ideas and, above all, they managed to give their audiences a huge amount of fun on stage.
I don't think Queen's sound was much sophisticated, sorry. That's not the reason I listen to it. The songs are often quite simple, it doesn't take a genius to play them, but they're good and fun.
Freddie was indeed hugely charismatic and it's hard to see him singing and not being in any way moved or impressed - for better or for worse. Not because of his voice: he was a good singer as many others. He was no exception there. But, as someone has already said, I think it was the singer who did the duet with him, he sold his voice. He made his voice attractive by doing falsettos (sometimes poorly executed, but who cared?), shouting for seconds in higher register to impress the audience who didn't know a jot about vocal technique and probably had never heard Bach's Cantatas (shouting is not singing, but who cared?). He impressed the audience with his flamboyant style, his elegance on stage, everyone knows his moves.
Why do I like Queen? Because they're fun. The songs are fun, and are a joy to listen to. They were/are four talented guys who had great ideas and knew how to sell it to their audience. The songs are good, the musicians are talented, well, it's enough for me.
People like myself often get attached to Queen by relating their music to a moment in one's life, by studying music and watching how the band did what they could do and knew how to simulate and pretend what they couldn't do, how they dealt with all their limitations and produced a very distinctive sound.
Good old capitalists who knew how to sell their talent: giving their audience a lot of fun and emotion. As Freddie said: "As long people are buying our records, it's ok".
Queen is by no means my main interest in music, but I did learn quite a good deal with them as an amateur singer and pianist. Freddie is specially good as a teacher: his singing is clear, very didatic, so to speak, and he teaches you how to pretend you can do something you actually can't, but that people will buy it. It's great, music is in great part dealing with limitations.
People already know my opinion. :-))) I like the way Queen succeeded in dealing with their limitations as a band and as individual musicians as well. None of them, I still hold the same opinion, was really off the spectrum or exceptional, individually speaking. Together, though, they had very good ideas and, above all, they managed to give their audiences a huge amount of fun on stage.
I don't think Queen's sound was much sophisticated, sorry. That's not the reason I listen to it. The songs are often quite simple, it doesn't take a genius to play them, but they're good and fun.
Freddie was indeed hugely charismatic and it's hard to see him singing and not being in any way moved or impressed - for better or for worse. Not because of his voice: he was a good singer as many others. He was no exception there. But, as someone has already said, I think it was the singer who did the duet with him, he sold his voice. He made his voice attractive by doing falsettos (sometimes poorly executed, but who cared?), shouting for seconds in higher register to impress the audience who didn't know a jot about vocal technique and probably had never heard Bach's Cantatas (shouting is not singing, but who cared?). He impressed the audience with his flamboyant style, his elegance on stage, everyone knows his moves.
Why do I like Queen? Because they're fun. The songs are fun, and are a joy to listen to. They were/are four talented guys who had great ideas and knew how to sell it to their audience. The songs are good, the musicians are talented, well, it's enough for me.
People like myself often get attached to Queen by relating their music to a moment in one's life, by studying music and watching how the band did what they could do and knew how to simulate and pretend what they couldn't do, how they dealt with all their limitations and produced a very distinctive sound.
Good old capitalists who knew how to sell their talent: giving their audience a lot of fun and emotion. As Freddie said: "As long people are buying our records, it's ok".
Queen is by no means my main interest in music, but I did learn quite a good deal with them as an amateur singer and pianist. Freddie is specially good as a teacher: his singing is clear, very didatic, so to speak, and he teaches you how to pretend you can do something you actually can't, but that people will buy it. It's great, music is in great part dealing with limitations.
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1st....
Hope you get better.
2nd.... like what said.
3rd... lol... Queens songs are often quite simple, it doesn't take a genius to play them?... which songs? there are many many to choose from in whihc are simple but they have many, many complex songs... try playing songs of ANATO.
But...on that note, and in Queens deffence.. even though songs may be easy to play... they can be very very hard to create...
But can i ask, why do you suggest is a sophisticated sound? I mean, Queen were/are/is one the/if not the most sophisticated group of all time...
Once again, hope you can find this as just conversation more than a tit for tat arguement.
Cheers
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1) Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm ok, it was not so dreadful a surgery as I was expecting. I have no pretext to be absent from the classes next week. lol
2)Thanks, you're being kind.
3)Exactly. That's what I wanted to say: many songs may indeed be simple to play, but creating them is the issue: they had very good ideas. Four talented guys with a bunch of good ideas. Playing is also not the same as interpreting: I can play and sing most of Queen's songs. Technically speaking, I may even sing better than Freddie. But...can I interpret their music? Hell, no, it's hard! That's why is not so usual to find good Queen covers. You can play all the notes, you can do all right, but you have to give your spin, you have to interpret it. Then things get rough.
I mean, great band, good musicians, great songs which really marked my life, that Freddie who was just pure fun: talented, charismatic, a devil on stage, and had a delicious sense of humour.
It's enough for me to enjoy the band. As you said, they created memorable tunes. Messiaen or Webern's music was damn sophisticated, I love it. But who cares about them apart from, you know, the very tiny group of people who study modern classical music!? In fact, who cares about the Goldberg Variations nowadays? I mean, I love it, but frankly speaking, who's able to understand and appreciate a well-constructed fugue? I mean...it's just dead music. I like it, I love it, but Queen is alive, these guys - Bach included - are dead. No one listen to this kind of thing anymore, it's not a relevant cultural expression anymore. People don't listen to it. They find it boring.
Queen is fun, the songs are good, accessible, that's a progress. They managed to be accessible and talented at the same time and create great songs and do great performances on stage.
Thanks for the reply and also for the kind words. : -))))
1st....
Hope you get better.
2nd.... like what said.
3rd... lol... Queens songs are often quite simple, it doesn't take a genius to play them?... which songs? there are many many to choose from in whihc are simple but they have many, many complex songs... try playing songs of ANATO.
But...on that note, and in Queens deffence.. even though songs may be easy to play... they can be very very hard to create...
But can i ask, why do you suggest is a sophisticated sound? I mean, Queen were/are/is one the/if not the most sophisticated group of all time...
Once again, hope you can find this as just conversation more than a tit for tat arguement.
Cheers
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1) Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm ok, it was not so dreadful a surgery as I was expecting. I have no pretext to be absent from the classes next week. lol
2)Thanks, you're being kind.
3)Exactly. That's what I wanted to say: many songs may indeed be simple to play, but creating them is the issue: they had very good ideas. Four talented guys with a bunch of good ideas. Playing is also not the same as interpreting: I can play and sing most of Queen's songs. Technically speaking, I may even sing better than Freddie. But...can I interpret their music? Hell, no, it's hard! That's why is not so usual to find good Queen covers. You can play all the notes, you can do all right, but you have to give your spin, you have to interpret it. Then things get rough.
I mean, great band, good musicians, great songs which really marked my life, that Freddie who was just pure fun: talented, charismatic, a devil on stage, and had a delicious sense of humour.
It's enough for me to enjoy the band. As you said, they created memorable tunes. Messiaen or Webern's music was damn sophisticated, I love it. But who cares about them apart from, you know, the very tiny group of people who study modern classical music!? In fact, who cares about the Goldberg Variations nowadays? I mean, I love it, but frankly speaking, who's able to understand and appreciate a well-constructed fugue? I mean...it's just dead music. I like it, I love it, but Queen is alive, these guys - Bach included - are dead. No one listen to this kind of thing anymore, it's not a relevant cultural expression anymore. People don't listen to it. They find it boring.
Queen is fun, the songs are good, accessible, that's a progress. They managed to be accessible and talented at the same time and create great songs and do great performances on stage.
Thanks for the reply and also for the kind words. : -))))
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Yara wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hi, all. I'm writing from a hospital. lol I've undergone a surgery in the morning, but I'm ok. I can't sleep so I decided to come here and read what you had to say about the band. People like it for some many reasons, don't they?
I don't think Queen's sound was much sophisticated, sorry. That's not the reason I listen to it. The songs are often quite simple, it doesn't take a genius to play them, but they're good and fun.
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Hello again Yara :)
My best wishes for your speedy recovery after your operation.
Many thanks for another thought provoking post.
I think that's a very important point you made. You said Queen's songs are not sophisticated and 'it doesn't take a genius to play them' I'm sure in terms of complexity for a classically trained artist then you are right on the money.
However another reason why I love the band is that their own genius lies in the fact that nobody can cover their songs and improve upon them. In the classical world, there may exist a number of fine interpretations of, for example, 'Oiseaux Exotiques' but for mainstream rock artists, they have the advantage of exclusivity in their compositions and their own mark of uniqueness on the production.
Incidentally, did you know that on closer inspection some songs of The Beatles have been found to contain examples of the Dorian mode, plagal cadences and asymmetric phrases?! Who knows if someone can analyse Queen's music in detail, we may be surprised to find hidden depths too!
I don't think Queen's sound was much sophisticated, sorry. That's not the reason I listen to it. The songs are often quite simple, it doesn't take a genius to play them, but they're good and fun.
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Hello again Yara :)
My best wishes for your speedy recovery after your operation.
Many thanks for another thought provoking post.
I think that's a very important point you made. You said Queen's songs are not sophisticated and 'it doesn't take a genius to play them' I'm sure in terms of complexity for a classically trained artist then you are right on the money.
However another reason why I love the band is that their own genius lies in the fact that nobody can cover their songs and improve upon them. In the classical world, there may exist a number of fine interpretations of, for example, 'Oiseaux Exotiques' but for mainstream rock artists, they have the advantage of exclusivity in their compositions and their own mark of uniqueness on the production.
Incidentally, did you know that on closer inspection some songs of The Beatles have been found to contain examples of the Dorian mode, plagal cadences and asymmetric phrases?! Who knows if someone can analyse Queen's music in detail, we may be surprised to find hidden depths too!
Although i listen mostly just to brutal death metal and classical, Queen is the most important band ever for me and i couldnt live without them.
Its my religion, for me its much more than just a band, specially freddie. He is like god to me, the ultimate human.
Its my religion, for me its much more than just a band, specially freddie. He is like god to me, the ultimate human.
Hi Yara
Hope you're feeling better today.I know what its like ,having got out of hospital 2 weeks ago myself.We're thinking of you,us decent QZers
Keep Yourself Alive
Hi Assdude
I agree with you inasmuch as for every simple song like "You're My Best Friend","Misfire" or "Dont Stop Me Now" there is your "Bohemian Rhapsody","Millionaires Waltz" or even "Innoendo".Even in the simple songs you sometimes hear little complex riffs that ,say,John plays.
Hi saltnvinegar.
I agree with you also.
On looking at Queen's music it looks pretty uncomplicated enough until you attempt it.Bands have often fell into that trap.Just ask Roger Daltrey and Seal about that.
Dorian mode.
Thats a little trick you can use if you're lost for inspiration on ,say, a solo of any sort.I've done this onxe or twice before.I try not to but sometimes its a necessary evil
Scales and modes eh.Where would we be without them.Tsk!!!
Hope you're feeling better today.I know what its like ,having got out of hospital 2 weeks ago myself.We're thinking of you,us decent QZers
Keep Yourself Alive
Hi Assdude
I agree with you inasmuch as for every simple song like "You're My Best Friend","Misfire" or "Dont Stop Me Now" there is your "Bohemian Rhapsody","Millionaires Waltz" or even "Innoendo".Even in the simple songs you sometimes hear little complex riffs that ,say,John plays.
Hi saltnvinegar.
I agree with you also.
On looking at Queen's music it looks pretty uncomplicated enough until you attempt it.Bands have often fell into that trap.Just ask Roger Daltrey and Seal about that.
Dorian mode.
Thats a little trick you can use if you're lost for inspiration on ,say, a solo of any sort.I've done this onxe or twice before.I try not to but sometimes its a necessary evil
Scales and modes eh.Where would we be without them.Tsk!!!
Whether my opinion seems educated or not it's just an opinion. Maybe this wasn't the best way to phrase it. I like a wide variety of artists but Queen connect me to the music more than any other.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Karen L wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Whether my opinion seems educated or not it's just an opinion. Maybe this wasn't the best way to phrase it. I like a wide variety of artists but Queen connect me to the music more than any other. [/QUOTE]
yes queen is on a totally different level than all other artists!, waaaaaay better
yes queen is on a totally different level than all other artists!, waaaaaay better
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Roger Meadows Tailor wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hi Yara
Hope you're feeling better today.I know what its like ,having got out of hospital 2 weeks ago myself.We're thinking of you,us decent QZers
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Oh no, poor RMT! Another hospitalized Queenzoner, I hope you are back in good health now?
I have another question for you (I know, I can't stop hijacking this thread, I should really start my own and call it 'RMT' shouldn't I?!) Anyhow, you said before you went to an early Queen gig and got into them from the start, right? I presume you saw them live again over the years? If so, I'd like to know your thoughts on what changes you saw. I don't mean the lights or costumes of course, but any changes in the band's actual stage demeanour, quality, attitudes etc? Thanks :)
Hope you're feeling better today.I know what its like ,having got out of hospital 2 weeks ago myself.We're thinking of you,us decent QZers
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Oh no, poor RMT! Another hospitalized Queenzoner, I hope you are back in good health now?
I have another question for you (I know, I can't stop hijacking this thread, I should really start my own and call it 'RMT' shouldn't I?!) Anyhow, you said before you went to an early Queen gig and got into them from the start, right? I presume you saw them live again over the years? If so, I'd like to know your thoughts on what changes you saw. I don't mean the lights or costumes of course, but any changes in the band's actual stage demeanour, quality, attitudes etc? Thanks :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]saltnvinegar wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Roger Meadows Tailor wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hi Yara
Hope you're feeling better today.I know what its like ,having got out of hospital 2 weeks ago myself.We're thinking of you,us decent QZers
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Oh no, poor RMT! Another hospitalized Queenzoner, I hope you are back in good health now?
I have another question for you (I know, I can't stop hijacking this thread, I should really start my own and call it 'RMT' shouldn't I?!) Anyhow, you said before you went to an early Queen gig and got into them from the start, right? I presume you saw them live again over the years? If so, I'd like to know your thoughts on what changes you saw. I don't mean the lights or costumes of course, but any changes in the band's actual stage demeanour, quality, attitudes etc? Thanks :)[/QUOTE]
Hi Saltnvinegar
Thank you for the kind words.Much appreciated my friend.
Just to say i've emailed you on your address which is in this forum and i hope its of any use to you my friend.
Thanks a lot
Keep Yourself Alive
RMT
Hope you're feeling better today.I know what its like ,having got out of hospital 2 weeks ago myself.We're thinking of you,us decent QZers
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Oh no, poor RMT! Another hospitalized Queenzoner, I hope you are back in good health now?
I have another question for you (I know, I can't stop hijacking this thread, I should really start my own and call it 'RMT' shouldn't I?!) Anyhow, you said before you went to an early Queen gig and got into them from the start, right? I presume you saw them live again over the years? If so, I'd like to know your thoughts on what changes you saw. I don't mean the lights or costumes of course, but any changes in the band's actual stage demeanour, quality, attitudes etc? Thanks :)[/QUOTE]
Hi Saltnvinegar
Thank you for the kind words.Much appreciated my friend.
Just to say i've emailed you on your address which is in this forum and i hope its of any use to you my friend.
Thanks a lot
Keep Yourself Alive
RMT
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Karen L wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Whether my opinion seems educated or not it's just an opinion. Maybe this wasn't the best way to phrase it. I like a wide variety of artists but Queen connect me to the music more than any other. [/QUOTE]
And that, Karen, is a lovely way to put it. I, too, am connected to Queen on such a level that it does not compare to my love and admiration for other artists, such as Beethoven, Maynard Ferguson, and The Beatles.
And that, Karen, is a lovely way to put it. I, too, am connected to Queen on such a level that it does not compare to my love and admiration for other artists, such as Beethoven, Maynard Ferguson, and The Beatles.
Its also the reason why i'm on this site too.I've been connected to Queen's music since '74.Its never waned. =)