Some interesting points being made. I have spoken to my kids about religion on a number of occasions but I'm hardly what you'd call an expert on the subject. I've tried to bring them up to be tolerant of other people's beliefs and I have no objections to them learning about the different religions of the world. What I find disgusting is that these people were allowed to take up the kids valuable time trying to sell their own beliefs in the form of a week's holiday. I'm tempted to take the brochure back to my daughter's shool, rolling it up and inserting it into the headmistress unlubricated but I don't want to appear dogmatic.
Time for a smoke and ponder methinks.
fatty.
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welcome to "Togdom" Fatty, it happens to us all in the end...
time to listen to Wogan and Ken Bruce in the mornings.
*passes pamphlet on the virtues of Togdom*
in all seriousness it comes down to conforminism and the school playing the religon card.at 10 years old you can still decide what religon, if any, she should follow,so i wouldnt send her on this school trip but..
if she really,really wants to go then let her and ask her how it went once she comes back,you never know she might see through the religous nonsense.
*climbs off soapbox*
time to listen to Wogan and Ken Bruce in the mornings.
*passes pamphlet on the virtues of Togdom*
in all seriousness it comes down to conforminism and the school playing the religon card.at 10 years old you can still decide what religon, if any, she should follow,so i wouldnt send her on this school trip but..
if she really,really wants to go then let her and ask her how it went once she comes back,you never know she might see through the religous nonsense.
*climbs off soapbox*
Why not ask her if you can arrange for your Satanist chums to pop over for an afternoon? If she refuses, go to the press citing institutional sectarianism.
Oh hang on, you're in Scotland....
Oh hang on, you're in Scotland....
Free Xenu!!!
No really, just show people what happened to Lisa McPherson. They'd stay away from $cientology.
No really, just show people what happened to Lisa McPherson. They'd stay away from $cientology.
I'm not sure what the equivalent to a public school would be in the UK, but the public school district that I work at would never allow any religious or faith based organization to give a presentation. Religion and school are to be separated in public education in the USA.
I receive donations of winter coats every Fall from a church that puts Christian books in boxes with the coats. I have to take the books out of the boxes the coats are in before I can give a new coat to a needy child. I am not allowed to give them to the children bc not all students may be Christian, some are Muslim, some are Buddist, some are Jehovah's Witness, and some are Atheist. If I gave them a Christian book, it might offend a family of another religion. I am allowed to donate the books to the inner city Catholic schools and Christian schools. The church that donates the coats to me knows this and they are ok with it and they know where the books end up, they are just happy that a child will stay warm. To me, that is true faith and not trying to recruit or place their believes on others who might not share the same.
Back on the subject, schools here have to have so many instructional time minutes. It doesn't sound like to me this was instructional time and yes, I would object to it fatty watty.
Up the arse I say with the brochure.
I receive donations of winter coats every Fall from a church that puts Christian books in boxes with the coats. I have to take the books out of the boxes the coats are in before I can give a new coat to a needy child. I am not allowed to give them to the children bc not all students may be Christian, some are Muslim, some are Buddist, some are Jehovah's Witness, and some are Atheist. If I gave them a Christian book, it might offend a family of another religion. I am allowed to donate the books to the inner city Catholic schools and Christian schools. The church that donates the coats to me knows this and they are ok with it and they know where the books end up, they are just happy that a child will stay warm. To me, that is true faith and not trying to recruit or place their believes on others who might not share the same.
Back on the subject, schools here have to have so many instructional time minutes. It doesn't sound like to me this was instructional time and yes, I would object to it fatty watty.
Up the arse I say with the brochure.
Wait until your daughter attends Secondary school - because in Scotland it gets worse!
As part of some do-goody Governmental panderings, she will have to study RPMS (Religious Philosophical Moral Studies), which is basically a charter to allow all sorts of nutters into schools - so that we can learn to tolerate the beliefs of others. With pat sayings like 'kick racism out of Scotland' and 'multiculuralism is multicultured'.
What a load of bollox!
My own, (now married daughter) used to run home from school to tell me how I was the anti-christ because I ate meat - and how I was racist because (Hands up I am guilty here) I used to support every other team who played against England. (I know, I know, but if we can't get to the world cup on our own why should... but that's a different argument).
After reminding her that we Scots and the English were both Aryan and therefore from the same race, and that I could be a nationalist but NOT racist, I then asked her if she truely believed in multiculuralism. This (because of her RPMS training) she defended to the hilt.
It was great to ask her loaded questions like - so you think that it would be good for some women in the UK to walk three paces behind their husbands? You believe it is fine to have a marriage arranged for you without your consent? You would accept that thieves in the UK could have their hands amputated - or the clincher for most feminists - do you accept female circumcision in a Western society?
It was fun to watch her head spin like the exorcist as she tried to rationalise such questions in her own mind.
Me? I too am a live-and-let-live type of guy. I really am a liberal (in the non-political sense) at heart. But I am finding it increasingly difficult to accept all this state-pushing idealogy of equality for all, because let's be frank, I too think that kids should be protected from all this clap-trap, and that religion should not be part of the state education system.
As part of some do-goody Governmental panderings, she will have to study RPMS (Religious Philosophical Moral Studies), which is basically a charter to allow all sorts of nutters into schools - so that we can learn to tolerate the beliefs of others. With pat sayings like 'kick racism out of Scotland' and 'multiculuralism is multicultured'.
What a load of bollox!
My own, (now married daughter) used to run home from school to tell me how I was the anti-christ because I ate meat - and how I was racist because (Hands up I am guilty here) I used to support every other team who played against England. (I know, I know, but if we can't get to the world cup on our own why should... but that's a different argument).
After reminding her that we Scots and the English were both Aryan and therefore from the same race, and that I could be a nationalist but NOT racist, I then asked her if she truely believed in multiculuralism. This (because of her RPMS training) she defended to the hilt.
It was great to ask her loaded questions like - so you think that it would be good for some women in the UK to walk three paces behind their husbands? You believe it is fine to have a marriage arranged for you without your consent? You would accept that thieves in the UK could have their hands amputated - or the clincher for most feminists - do you accept female circumcision in a Western society?
It was fun to watch her head spin like the exorcist as she tried to rationalise such questions in her own mind.
Me? I too am a live-and-let-live type of guy. I really am a liberal (in the non-political sense) at heart. But I am finding it increasingly difficult to accept all this state-pushing idealogy of equality for all, because let's be frank, I too think that kids should be protected from all this clap-trap, and that religion should not be part of the state education system.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]As usual, the typical hysterical reaction from the unenlightened about the harmless religion of Scientology.[/QUOTE]
That isn't even funny.
That isn't even funny.
As soon as the archbishop of Canterbury has introduced the Sharia into the British legal system you can take the case to your local mullah ;)
Fatty: Unleash the hounds. This is how it starts. The next thing you know, the Archbishop will be floating the idea of incorporating Sharia law. Oh, wait . . .
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]fatty wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Some interesting points being made. I have spoken to my kids about religion on a number of occasions but I'm hardly what you'd call an expert on the subject. I've tried to bring them up to be tolerant of other people's beliefs and I have no objections to them learning about the different religions of the world. What I find disgusting is that these people were allowed to take up the kids valuable time trying to sell their own beliefs in the form of a week's holiday. I'm tempted to take the brochure back to my daughter's shool, rolling it up and inserting it into the headmistress unlubricated but I don't want to appear dogmatic.
Time for a smoke and ponder methinks.
fatty.
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Yeah, you probably should use at least some form of lubricant.
Time for a smoke and ponder methinks.
fatty.
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Yeah, you probably should use at least some form of lubricant.
When I was a wee little child growing up in a land of godless heathens, some missionaries from a country that shall remain unnamed showed up at my school and gave us presents, one of which was the Bible. This had no effect whatsoever on me or any of my classmates, and I am still a godless heathen even though I now live in the aforementioned country that shall remain unnamed.
P.S. Scientologists are loonies.
P.S. Scientologists are loonies.