You obviously did lose me in the 2nd part, so I'll just run it through once again in case you're bored enough to read... If the ONLY license QP has sold is the one to Japan, it means there wouldn't be one for Europe.
They can sell it to 200 different companies in 200 different countries if they choose to, but if it has been sold to only ONE country, the releases in the other countries must by definition be illegal.
What it really comes down to is what their motivation is. If they are just looking for a way to get rid of the titles which they are NEVER going to release themselves, they would have sold the rights to Masterplan/whatever. If they have any interest in the release, or any professional pride in it, they wouldn't have sold it.
Is there any way to know for certain?
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You obviously did lose me in the 2nd part, so I'll just run it through once again in case you're bored enough to read... If the ONLY license QP has sold is the one to Japan, it means there wouldn't be one for Europe.[/QUOTE]
NO, no, no, no, no, no, no!
There is NOT one giant SOLE license overall,
only individual licenses per territory.
So Queen CAN sell one license to Japan - AND - CAN also sell another different license to Europe.
These are DIFFERENT countries - therefore they are covered by DIFFERENT licenses.
Ultimately they are all owned by Queen.
NO, no, no, no, no, no, no!
There is NOT one giant SOLE license overall,
only individual licenses per territory.
So Queen CAN sell one license to Japan - AND - CAN also sell another different license to Europe.
These are DIFFERENT countries - therefore they are covered by DIFFERENT licenses.
Ultimately they are all owned by Queen.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You obviously did lose me in the 2nd part, so I'll just run it through once again in case you're bored enough to read... If the ONLY license QP has sold is the one to Japan, it means there wouldn't be one for Europe.[/QUOTE]
NO, no, no, no, no, no, no!
There is NOT one giant SOLE license overall,
only sole licenses per territory.
So Queen CAN sell one license to Japan - AND - CAN also sell another different license to Europe.
These are DIFFERENT countries - therefore they are covered by DIFFERENT licenses.
Ultimately they are all owned by Queen.
Sheeesh - give me a break!
Can anyone else help me out here?[/QUOTE]
Did you even read what I just wrote? Is my English that incomprehensible?
"If the ONLY license QP has sold is the one to Japan, it means there wouldn't be one for Europe."
The ONLY license in this case means the one license out of the potential hundreds that is CURRENTLY valid, and happens to be the one for Japan. I did not mention EXCLUSIVE license, nor did I imply it.
"If the ONLY license QP has sold is the one to Japan, it means there wouldn't be one for Europe" is a philosophical statement of the obvious ("if there is only one, there are no others"), not a claim that QP could only issue one license at a time.
NO, no, no, no, no, no, no!
There is NOT one giant SOLE license overall,
only sole licenses per territory.
So Queen CAN sell one license to Japan - AND - CAN also sell another different license to Europe.
These are DIFFERENT countries - therefore they are covered by DIFFERENT licenses.
Ultimately they are all owned by Queen.
Sheeesh - give me a break!
Can anyone else help me out here?[/QUOTE]
Did you even read what I just wrote? Is my English that incomprehensible?
"If the ONLY license QP has sold is the one to Japan, it means there wouldn't be one for Europe."
The ONLY license in this case means the one license out of the potential hundreds that is CURRENTLY valid, and happens to be the one for Japan. I did not mention EXCLUSIVE license, nor did I imply it.
"If the ONLY license QP has sold is the one to Japan, it means there wouldn't be one for Europe" is a philosophical statement of the obvious ("if there is only one, there are no others"), not a claim that QP could only issue one license at a time.
Well if Queen (or specifically Brian) cared about quality as much as he claims he does, they would have released the '82 and '85 Japan concerts officially on DVD worldwide with all the remastering, remixing, etc etc that they do with all their other DVDs so far. Hell, make it a double feature set if they think one show onit's own wouldn't perform as well commercially. That would clear up a whole lot of confusion and give these shows their proper due.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Yes: I have read what you have written.
I have been patient, I have been courteous, I have been polite - but I think either your comprehension skills must be very poor - or you are being deliberately obtuse.
In either case, I can not be bothered any more.
As I said - let's just call it a pirate - and you know what - I really don't give a f*ck.
I'm off to get laid![/QUOTE]
I'm actually far more interested in knowing the truth which releases are official, but if it makes your bruised ego feel better, by all means just keep reading and imagining whatever you want regardless of the actual words.
Either way, have a good night!
I have been patient, I have been courteous, I have been polite - but I think either your comprehension skills must be very poor - or you are being deliberately obtuse.
In either case, I can not be bothered any more.
As I said - let's just call it a pirate - and you know what - I really don't give a f*ck.
I'm off to get laid![/QUOTE]
I'm actually far more interested in knowing the truth which releases are official, but if it makes your bruised ego feel better, by all means just keep reading and imagining whatever you want regardless of the actual words.
Either way, have a good night!
On that concert, Queen used the keyboard too much!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]you have beaten me into submission with the power of your nagging.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty rich coming from somebody who will read into other people's messages only what he wants!
It would be nice if somebody else reading this discussion would have commented on whether they understood what I was getting at (hint hint!), but as long as that's not going to happen, I'll just let you have the last word after this message.
That's pretty rich coming from somebody who will read into other people's messages only what he wants!
It would be nice if somebody else reading this discussion would have commented on whether they understood what I was getting at (hint hint!), but as long as that's not going to happen, I'll just let you have the last word after this message.
Tero. I understood what you were getting at, mate!
I also understood what JSS was getting at.
Hand on heart, I seriously respect the pair of you as both being switched-on kiddies, who are able to put across your points with eloquence, and a basis of logical thought and fact.
Here's my tuppence worth......
I consider that although the product was legal in Japan because of a licence with the Watanabe Music company, I'm of the personal opinion that this licence is exclusive to the territory of Japan. I'm not convinced that as Queen Productions Limited are the co-owners of the original recorded work, that it is officially licensed to be released anywhere else, because the band hold the ability to veto it, anywhere outside the original licence territory, a la We Will Rock You, only getting an "official" DVD release in North America, where Yellowbill held the rights to distribution. Outside of North America, and outside of the local licensing periods, Queen could (and DID) veto it's release everywhere else in the world, waiting instead for the complete global rights to return to them, so they could put out Queen Rock Montreal, exactly as they wanted it done.
What makes me think this way? Queen STILL have an exclusive contract with the EMI group of companies for Europe, and only by mutual agreement between QPL and EMI, can anything be subbed out to a third party company. I'm thinking of the Eagle releases in particular here.
Another was that on first seeing Amazon selling European copies of variants of "The Final Live In Japan" show on DVD, I indirectly alerted Mr Beach, who apparently knew nothing about this show being available through local manufactiure, either officially, or unofficially, in Europe. As he's the guy who ultimately does all the sign-off's with Queen's official product, then a lack of knowledge of the existence of this DVD, might be thought of, as irregular, to say the least.
So, yeah, I see where you're both coming from, and agree with elements of what both of you have said. It doesn't mean any of us are right though. To a degree it's just conjecture, really.
To prove the point that none of us really know what the score is COMPLETELY, Mafilm co-owned the rights of Live In Budapest, I never saw them exploit their rights like Mobilvision/Yellowbill or Watanabe Music have, but then I've not seen what was written into the distribution contract, either, so, in essence, my view is that despite mentioning who actually owns the copyright, this Euro version of 'Final Live In Japan' is as kosher as a pork chop. But that's all it is, my view.
I also understood what JSS was getting at.
Hand on heart, I seriously respect the pair of you as both being switched-on kiddies, who are able to put across your points with eloquence, and a basis of logical thought and fact.
Here's my tuppence worth......
I consider that although the product was legal in Japan because of a licence with the Watanabe Music company, I'm of the personal opinion that this licence is exclusive to the territory of Japan. I'm not convinced that as Queen Productions Limited are the co-owners of the original recorded work, that it is officially licensed to be released anywhere else, because the band hold the ability to veto it, anywhere outside the original licence territory, a la We Will Rock You, only getting an "official" DVD release in North America, where Yellowbill held the rights to distribution. Outside of North America, and outside of the local licensing periods, Queen could (and DID) veto it's release everywhere else in the world, waiting instead for the complete global rights to return to them, so they could put out Queen Rock Montreal, exactly as they wanted it done.
What makes me think this way? Queen STILL have an exclusive contract with the EMI group of companies for Europe, and only by mutual agreement between QPL and EMI, can anything be subbed out to a third party company. I'm thinking of the Eagle releases in particular here.
Another was that on first seeing Amazon selling European copies of variants of "The Final Live In Japan" show on DVD, I indirectly alerted Mr Beach, who apparently knew nothing about this show being available through local manufactiure, either officially, or unofficially, in Europe. As he's the guy who ultimately does all the sign-off's with Queen's official product, then a lack of knowledge of the existence of this DVD, might be thought of, as irregular, to say the least.
So, yeah, I see where you're both coming from, and agree with elements of what both of you have said. It doesn't mean any of us are right though. To a degree it's just conjecture, really.
To prove the point that none of us really know what the score is COMPLETELY, Mafilm co-owned the rights of Live In Budapest, I never saw them exploit their rights like Mobilvision/Yellowbill or Watanabe Music have, but then I've not seen what was written into the distribution contract, either, so, in essence, my view is that despite mentioning who actually owns the copyright, this Euro version of 'Final Live In Japan' is as kosher as a pork chop. But that's all it is, my view.
While I think about it.......
Reputably, although Yellowbill held the original prints of the film (visuals) of We Will Rock You, they didn't have possession of the multi-tracks, as Brian has famously said, Queen held those. That being the case, how did they do a 5.1 mix, in the sort of quality that was evident on the Pioneer release, for the DVD issue in North America.
See, although we can argue the toss over stuff like this, some questions, just evoke other questions.
(NB: Someone's probably now going to burst my balloon by saying that the theatrical release was always in surround sound, of one form or another.)
Reputably, although Yellowbill held the original prints of the film (visuals) of We Will Rock You, they didn't have possession of the multi-tracks, as Brian has famously said, Queen held those. That being the case, how did they do a 5.1 mix, in the sort of quality that was evident on the Pioneer release, for the DVD issue in North America.
See, although we can argue the toss over stuff like this, some questions, just evoke other questions.
(NB: Someone's probably now going to burst my balloon by saying that the theatrical release was always in surround sound, of one form or another.)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kestrel101 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Tero. I understood what you were getting at, mate![/QUOTE]
I didn't expect to be able to say this, but it's nice that you can see my point on anything regarding this subject... ;)
I didn't expect to be able to say this, but it's nice that you can see my point on anything regarding this subject... ;)
Now, now, water under the bridge, and all that.
In previous discussions, we both knew we were right, well at least from our own perspectives anyway, and when that happens, it's a case of who shouts loudest, and also who has the best ear plugs! lol.
In previous discussions, we both knew we were right, well at least from our own perspectives anyway, and when that happens, it's a case of who shouts loudest, and also who has the best ear plugs! lol.
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