well he may have written the songs, but I not even he could like his voice. He doesn't have anyone to sing on them.
It's a shame tho that he's turned into a bit of a hermit.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I WOULDN'T want to see John back. Really.
Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since.
You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you? [/QUOTE]
Roger hadn't drummed properly since about 1985 either. Since Queen ended Roger has been a singer, not a drummer and the QPR gigs showed that. Over amplified drum sound to cover up the fact that he can no longer play with any power. Drumming is a physical thing and Roger isn't up to it anymore (regarding of what Brian or some "Q+PR fans" might like to make out) - John wouldn't have much trouble learning the old basslines.... and to suggest that Roger, Brian or Rodgers are more able than John is fucking laughable.
What would be his motivation in making new music with Brian and Roger with some old blues singer he doesn't even know anyway? He might not even rate Rodgers as a decent singer. I'm sure Brian & Roger had no intention of working with John on this anyway - perhaps John would have come on board if it was just the remaining 3 members of Queen producing new music, but it was obvious he wasn't going to tour with Rodgers singing old Queen songs and being the last to join again, then release a substandard album on the back of a sold out greatest hits arena tour.
I'm sure he is fine with his lot - it's not like any of the band were great buddies or anything. The band didn't socialise outside of the band, so why would that suddenly change when the band ended?
Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since.
You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you? [/QUOTE]
Roger hadn't drummed properly since about 1985 either. Since Queen ended Roger has been a singer, not a drummer and the QPR gigs showed that. Over amplified drum sound to cover up the fact that he can no longer play with any power. Drumming is a physical thing and Roger isn't up to it anymore (regarding of what Brian or some "Q+PR fans" might like to make out) - John wouldn't have much trouble learning the old basslines.... and to suggest that Roger, Brian or Rodgers are more able than John is fucking laughable.
What would be his motivation in making new music with Brian and Roger with some old blues singer he doesn't even know anyway? He might not even rate Rodgers as a decent singer. I'm sure Brian & Roger had no intention of working with John on this anyway - perhaps John would have come on board if it was just the remaining 3 members of Queen producing new music, but it was obvious he wasn't going to tour with Rodgers singing old Queen songs and being the last to join again, then release a substandard album on the back of a sold out greatest hits arena tour.
I'm sure he is fine with his lot - it's not like any of the band were great buddies or anything. The band didn't socialise outside of the band, so why would that suddenly change when the band ended?
I would not want John back in the band. Reading between the lines Brian and John are not that bothered, in fact they are very diplomatic. He always was a lazy bastard and responsible along with Freddie for some of the pop/dance/disco crap that Queen indulged in the 80's. He never came over as a real rocker more interested in soul and pop tunes. Freddie appeared to be his sidekick in these styles if you read credits etc, although Fred seemed to equally embrace Rock/Metal/Disco/Opera/80'S Synth pop etc. These mix of styles brought Queen more pop fans from the Game onwards but alienated many of their Heavy Rock fans who had followed them from the first album. There were moments of brilliance on the 80's albums, but for me every 80's album is patchy, with Hot Space having just 3 decent tracks, Under Pressure, Put out the Fire and Las Palbras. This is indicative of John and Freddie's turning away from pomp rock and embracing shit like soul/dance/disco but undoubtedly giving Queen a whole new audience.
Deacon and Freddie seemed to be the two who pushed the pop songs while Brian and Roger appered to always be the real rockers.
I can't see Deacon fitting into the more Blues edgge Rock that the Cosmos Rocks promises to be.
Deacon and Freddie seemed to be the two who pushed the pop songs while Brian and Roger appered to always be the real rockers.
I can't see Deacon fitting into the more Blues edgge Rock that the Cosmos Rocks promises to be.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I WOULDN'T want to see John back. Really.
Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since.
You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you? [/QUOTE]
Roger hadn't drummed properly since about 1985 either. Since Queen ended Roger has been a singer, not a drummer and the QPR gigs showed that. Over amplified drum sound to cover up the fact that he can no longer play with any power. Drumming is a physical thing and Roger isn't up to it anymore (regarding of what Brian or some "Q+PR fans" might like to make out) - John wouldn't have much trouble learning the old basslines.... and to suggest that Roger, Brian or Rodgers are more able than John is fucking laughable.
What would be his motivation in making new music with Brian and Roger with some old blues singer he doesn't even know anyway? He might not even rate Rodgers as a decent singer. I'm sure Brian & Roger had no intention of working with John on this anyway - perhaps John would have come on board if it was just the remaining 3 members of Queen producing new music, but it was obvious he wasn't going to tour with Rodgers singing old Queen songs and being the last to join again, then release a substandard album on the back of a sold out greatest hits arena tour.
I'm sure he is fine with his lot - it's not like any of the band were great buddies or anything. The band didn't socialise outside of the band, so why would that suddenly change when the band ended?[/QUOTE]
You folks who are - for whatever reason, legitimate or insane (i.e. Treasure Moments) - dissatisfied with Brian, Roger, Jim Beach, Paul Rodgers, Greatest Hits 3, We Will Rock You, whatever, and who have decided against all logic and evidence to the contrary that John Deacon was somehow the soul and barometer of quality in Queen ... surely you realize that you're deluding yourselves. That its pure projection on your parts. "Oh if only John were still around, everything would be great." That is, at best, wishful thinking. And ultimately its completely irrelevent because, wishes to the contrary, John Richard Deacon isn't interested anymore and hasn't been for a decade. He has moved on. He's not going to come back and save the day and he's not going to take the band name away from Brian and Roger. That dog just isn't going to hunt, and your bass playing Superman isn't going to swoop down and save the day. I wish Freddie weren't dead, but that isn't going to change either. So let's all get on with our lives. If you think Paul Rodgers is shit, if you think "Q+PR" and its "fans" are shit, if you think Brian and Roger are the Devil Incarnate, fine. Just tune out. Play your old records and CDs and videos and go on.
Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since.
You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you? [/QUOTE]
Roger hadn't drummed properly since about 1985 either. Since Queen ended Roger has been a singer, not a drummer and the QPR gigs showed that. Over amplified drum sound to cover up the fact that he can no longer play with any power. Drumming is a physical thing and Roger isn't up to it anymore (regarding of what Brian or some "Q+PR fans" might like to make out) - John wouldn't have much trouble learning the old basslines.... and to suggest that Roger, Brian or Rodgers are more able than John is fucking laughable.
What would be his motivation in making new music with Brian and Roger with some old blues singer he doesn't even know anyway? He might not even rate Rodgers as a decent singer. I'm sure Brian & Roger had no intention of working with John on this anyway - perhaps John would have come on board if it was just the remaining 3 members of Queen producing new music, but it was obvious he wasn't going to tour with Rodgers singing old Queen songs and being the last to join again, then release a substandard album on the back of a sold out greatest hits arena tour.
I'm sure he is fine with his lot - it's not like any of the band were great buddies or anything. The band didn't socialise outside of the band, so why would that suddenly change when the band ended?[/QUOTE]
You folks who are - for whatever reason, legitimate or insane (i.e. Treasure Moments) - dissatisfied with Brian, Roger, Jim Beach, Paul Rodgers, Greatest Hits 3, We Will Rock You, whatever, and who have decided against all logic and evidence to the contrary that John Deacon was somehow the soul and barometer of quality in Queen ... surely you realize that you're deluding yourselves. That its pure projection on your parts. "Oh if only John were still around, everything would be great." That is, at best, wishful thinking. And ultimately its completely irrelevent because, wishes to the contrary, John Richard Deacon isn't interested anymore and hasn't been for a decade. He has moved on. He's not going to come back and save the day and he's not going to take the band name away from Brian and Roger. That dog just isn't going to hunt, and your bass playing Superman isn't going to swoop down and save the day. I wish Freddie weren't dead, but that isn't going to change either. So let's all get on with our lives. If you think Paul Rodgers is shit, if you think "Q+PR" and its "fans" are shit, if you think Brian and Roger are the Devil Incarnate, fine. Just tune out. Play your old records and CDs and videos and go on.
Opinions, opinions. We all know the saying. Russian Headlong here provided a truthful look at Queen's development, albeit rather opinionated.
The only reason Queen actually went on to record new music until the unfortunate end of a certain individual, was that they kept things interesting. Even if soul/disco/etc. material never got to be fan favorites, I remember Freddie saying in an interview sometime in the early 80's, something like "if it got boring, they might as well call it quits" - which is why Freddie and John did what they did. Sure, Brian and Roger provided the band some nice hits in the 80's, but I know I would've grown much more likely bored of Queen had they only been a rock band. I'm sorry to say, but Brian and Roger have hardly developed as songwriters during their careers - quite the reverse, from what I've heard.
Although I'm anxiously waiting for the new album, I can't deny the uncomfortable thought that John's uninvolvement will have a surprisingly huge effect on Queen(+PR)'s sound, in a bad way.
The only reason Queen actually went on to record new music until the unfortunate end of a certain individual, was that they kept things interesting. Even if soul/disco/etc. material never got to be fan favorites, I remember Freddie saying in an interview sometime in the early 80's, something like "if it got boring, they might as well call it quits" - which is why Freddie and John did what they did. Sure, Brian and Roger provided the band some nice hits in the 80's, but I know I would've grown much more likely bored of Queen had they only been a rock band. I'm sorry to say, but Brian and Roger have hardly developed as songwriters during their careers - quite the reverse, from what I've heard.
Although I'm anxiously waiting for the new album, I can't deny the uncomfortable thought that John's uninvolvement will have a surprisingly huge effect on Queen(+PR)'s sound, in a bad way.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]PieterMC wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Thomas Tønnesen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
To the point: I read somewhere that John had started on the "Made in Heaven" project in 1993-94, but it was all deleted after Brian and Roger joined the sessions. I dont if this is true or not? But if it's true, it sounds very arrogant of Roger and Brian to do such a thing. Maybe John got upset about it and thought enough is enough...[/QUOTE]
Roger and John started working on it without Brian. Brian did not like what they had done without him, so basically took control.
Remember that John also recorded No One But You, which was after MIH.[/QUOTE]
where..... where is this said..... about brian taking over.
To the point: I read somewhere that John had started on the "Made in Heaven" project in 1993-94, but it was all deleted after Brian and Roger joined the sessions. I dont if this is true or not? But if it's true, it sounds very arrogant of Roger and Brian to do such a thing. Maybe John got upset about it and thought enough is enough...[/QUOTE]
Roger and John started working on it without Brian. Brian did not like what they had done without him, so basically took control.
Remember that John also recorded No One But You, which was after MIH.[/QUOTE]
where..... where is this said..... about brian taking over.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]PieterMC wrote:
No because in the same article Roger says
"John's welcome but if you call him, you don't always get an answer. nobody knows where he is or what he's doing. he doesn't really like people. He sent a message when our musical 'We Will Rock You' launched in the West End saying that he approved of everything we were doing."[/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting this, as it says it all really.
No because in the same article Roger says
"John's welcome but if you call him, you don't always get an answer. nobody knows where he is or what he's doing. he doesn't really like people. He sent a message when our musical 'We Will Rock You' launched in the West End saying that he approved of everything we were doing."[/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting this, as it says it all really.
And now this has raised the question...at least in my mind,
Does John get any royalties from Queen+PR?
If he does...is he entitled?
If he doesn't...why?
just curious.
Does John get any royalties from Queen+PR?
If he does...is he entitled?
If he doesn't...why?
just curious.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]...ASSDUDE.... wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]PieterMC wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Roger and John started working on it without Brian. Brian did not like what they had done without him, so basically took control.
Remember that John also recorded No One But You, which was after MIH.[/QUOTE]
where..... where is this said..... about brian taking over.[/QUOTE]
Guitar & Bass Magazine (France) - 1998
http://queenarchives.com/viewtopic.php?t=39
"In fact, when I went on the "Back To The Light" tour, I heard that the other members of Queen had already taken the decision to go ahead with this last album, without even asking my opinion. I was even more furious than before; I was not convinced that releasing this album was a good idea. As soon as I heard the news, I contacted Roger and John to make my disapproval known to them. To that they answered, that if it didn't suit me, they would go ahead without me! I was already fuming to have been treated that way, but even that was nothing compared to the anger I had after having listened to what they had put down on tape during my absence: it was truly catastrophic! It is because of that that I found myself in the studio again, with all tapes I had, of scraps and pieces that we had not had the time to finish with Freddie. I began to work on the scarce vocal fragments existing on tape, with the program Pro-Tools, and tried to reconstitute what could have been the final version if we had continued to record "normally". After several weeks, I reconciled myself with the other members of the group, and we got back to working together to finish the project. In total, we needed eighteen months in the studio and ferocious work on computers to achieve our aim. That year and a half of diving straight in to Queen, with all that it implies, like the emotions, and to spend thousand of hours in front of a computer screen literally exhausted me. After that I need to break off for some time again before I looked again at my second album. I would not have been able to link the two projects one after the other."
Remember that John also recorded No One But You, which was after MIH.[/QUOTE]
where..... where is this said..... about brian taking over.[/QUOTE]
Guitar & Bass Magazine (France) - 1998
http://queenarchives.com/viewtopic.php?t=39
"In fact, when I went on the "Back To The Light" tour, I heard that the other members of Queen had already taken the decision to go ahead with this last album, without even asking my opinion. I was even more furious than before; I was not convinced that releasing this album was a good idea. As soon as I heard the news, I contacted Roger and John to make my disapproval known to them. To that they answered, that if it didn't suit me, they would go ahead without me! I was already fuming to have been treated that way, but even that was nothing compared to the anger I had after having listened to what they had put down on tape during my absence: it was truly catastrophic! It is because of that that I found myself in the studio again, with all tapes I had, of scraps and pieces that we had not had the time to finish with Freddie. I began to work on the scarce vocal fragments existing on tape, with the program Pro-Tools, and tried to reconstitute what could have been the final version if we had continued to record "normally". After several weeks, I reconciled myself with the other members of the group, and we got back to working together to finish the project. In total, we needed eighteen months in the studio and ferocious work on computers to achieve our aim. That year and a half of diving straight in to Queen, with all that it implies, like the emotions, and to spend thousand of hours in front of a computer screen literally exhausted me. After that I need to break off for some time again before I looked again at my second album. I would not have been able to link the two projects one after the other."
Since starting this thread, I have purchased June's edition of Classic Rock, and I can now see that my original point was correct.
It is for the first time officially said (as far as I know), that John is a recluse who has little or no contact with Brian and Roger, but he does cash the cheques that are sent to him by Queen Productions, etc.
To quote Roger and Brian-
Roger- 'John's welcome but if you call him, you don't always get an answer. Nobody knows where he is or what he is doing. He doesn't really like people'
Roger- 'John's turned into a bit of a recluse, and if that's what he wants then who are we to pressurise him?'
Brian- (chuckling) 'He accepts the odd cheque now and again, but we resepct the decision he made about his life's path'
It is for the first time officially said (as far as I know), that John is a recluse who has little or no contact with Brian and Roger, but he does cash the cheques that are sent to him by Queen Productions, etc.
To quote Roger and Brian-
Roger- 'John's welcome but if you call him, you don't always get an answer. Nobody knows where he is or what he is doing. He doesn't really like people'
Roger- 'John's turned into a bit of a recluse, and if that's what he wants then who are we to pressurise him?'
Brian- (chuckling) 'He accepts the odd cheque now and again, but we resepct the decision he made about his life's path'
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Russian Headlong wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Deacon and Freddie seemed to be the two who pushed the pop songs while Brian and Roger appered to always be the real rockers.[/QUOTE]
...because "Machines," "Radio Ga Ga," and "Don't Lose Your Head" were masterpieces of rock music?
Roger curved hard in the direction of synth pop. None of the members "ignored" rock, so to speak, but Brian's the one who cranked out "Hammer to Fall" while the others were busy writing rockabilly, synth pop, and generally 80's stuff.
Deacon and Freddie seemed to be the two who pushed the pop songs while Brian and Roger appered to always be the real rockers.[/QUOTE]
...because "Machines," "Radio Ga Ga," and "Don't Lose Your Head" were masterpieces of rock music?
Roger curved hard in the direction of synth pop. None of the members "ignored" rock, so to speak, but Brian's the one who cranked out "Hammer to Fall" while the others were busy writing rockabilly, synth pop, and generally 80's stuff.
His involvment - he's throwing the launch party.
Good times
Good times
Fair play, Thunderbolt, RT and BM did dally with synths more, I mean check out Shove it most of it is synth rock bollox but I think while RT in particular seemed keen to experiment with synths in the 80's you know where his true tastes lie in Rock. Christ, even Priest, Maiden, Dio, Van Halen Kiss were criticised for overuse of synths in the 80's does not mean they do not rawk! John Deacon never rocked, the hardest thing he ever produced was If you can't beat them off jazz.
Ok, I'm going to try to stay calm about this. John is my favorite member of Queen and I'm going to stick up for him now.
As much as I would love to see him back and involved with the new Queen+PR project, I understand if he dosen't want to. Freddie's passing was VERY hard on him and he just wanted to be with his family. Besides, he's earned his retirement! And for some of you who think he's "Lazy", that's just absurd!!!!! He wrote some of Queen's biggest hits, he's helped the band when times were rough, and if you think about it, Queen probably wouldn't have lasted as long as they did, if they didn't have a quality Bass player, like John!!!
So, let John live his golden years in peace and let him enjoy his retirement!!! He deserves it!!
As much as I would love to see him back and involved with the new Queen+PR project, I understand if he dosen't want to. Freddie's passing was VERY hard on him and he just wanted to be with his family. Besides, he's earned his retirement! And for some of you who think he's "Lazy", that's just absurd!!!!! He wrote some of Queen's biggest hits, he's helped the band when times were rough, and if you think about it, Queen probably wouldn't have lasted as long as they did, if they didn't have a quality Bass player, like John!!!
So, let John live his golden years in peace and let him enjoy his retirement!!! He deserves it!!
John is not well...mentally.