[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adam Baboolal wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adam Baboolal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Neg Creep - Higher bitrates DO affect perception in humans. Either that or I'm an alien!
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There was a study in the U.S where the result was that that DVD-A and SACD were essentially pointless as they were audibly no better than CD. Technically better yes, but the human ear cannot tell the difference - CD is as good as needed.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but whoever they are, "they're talkin from here!" Thanks Fred ;)
Even old Brian can hear the difference when he remarked that the DVD-A's of Queen's material sounded more like Vinyl than cd's.
I can also personally vouch for higher bitrates because I record at high rates all the time now. I used to record at 24/44 but when I switched to 24/96, the detail in the sound was incredible. I haven't looked back since. So hey, don't believe these studies all the time. Ask people who live and breathe this stuff, day in, day out. They're the ones who will truly know.
The only way I could describe it is this... I recorded rain and cars on my street. Listening back to a 24/44 recording, it was nice. But after trying out 24/96, it was my perception that the sound felt more real. One time I had my window open and had left the recording on playback. I actually thought I was listening to cars whizzing by my window![/QUOTE]
My bandmate Josh, who does quite a bit of our recordings and mixing, initially didn't believe me that 96/24 recording was worthwhile doing, back in 2005/2006, because he felt it was a waste of computer space.
However when we DID start recording the old demos then, he did note even then that it made quite a difference, even when mixing and downsampling to 44.1/16.
So I will agree with the "they're talking from here" quip :)
[QUOTE]As for all this bluray talk, I don't care. I don't have a PS3 and I like my dvd's fine. I ain't gettin into this any further.
Adam.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps it's time to go visit your nearest Home Theatre specialty shop ;) Or perhaps Woolsworth?
Once you experience HD, you never want to go back. Or perhaps that is what you are fearing, for knowing how much your wallet will be hurting then :)
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I have a video business with two Sony HD cameras. I know how good it can look through my HD tv. I'm just not as fussed with films to spend the money on a whole new setup when it's still new technology that is still coming down in price.
Adam.
Adam.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adam Baboolal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I have a video business with two Sony HD cameras. I know how good it can look through my HD tv. I'm just not as fussed with films to spend the money on a whole new setup when it's still new technology that is still coming down in price.
Adam.[/QUOTE]
Yet you shirley must have gotten into DVD's when that was (and still is) happening, when transitioning from VHS to that ;)
DVD's weren't exactly much cheaper to begin with when they first came out. Blu-ray media and hardware is dropping in price at a much faster pace in nearly less than two years than DVD ever did in it's first few (3+) years.
I really can't make sense about how you wouldn't embrace this technology.
I can seemingly agree with you on many other things *but*. Which is a shame really, cos you ARE a very brilliant person.
Adam.[/QUOTE]
Yet you shirley must have gotten into DVD's when that was (and still is) happening, when transitioning from VHS to that ;)
DVD's weren't exactly much cheaper to begin with when they first came out. Blu-ray media and hardware is dropping in price at a much faster pace in nearly less than two years than DVD ever did in it's first few (3+) years.
I really can't make sense about how you wouldn't embrace this technology.
I can seemingly agree with you on many other things *but*. Which is a shame really, cos you ARE a very brilliant person.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inu-liger wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adam Baboolal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I have a video business with two Sony HD cameras. I know how good it can look through my HD tv. I'm just not as fussed with films to spend the money on a whole new setup when it's still new technology that is still coming down in price.
Adam.[/QUOTE]
Yet you shirley must have gotten into DVD's when that was (and still is) happening, when transitioning from VHS to that ;)
DVD's weren't exactly much cheaper to begin with when they first came out. Blu-ray media and hardware is dropping in price at a much faster pace in nearly less than two years than DVD ever did in it's first few (3+) years.
I really can't make sense about how you wouldn't embrace this technology.
I can seemingly agree with you on many other things *but*. Which is a shame really, cos you ARE a very brilliant person.[/QUOTE]
Thankyou for that last part, it's very flattering. I don't consider myself brilliant though!
Now, embracing this stuff... It's simple, I don't need to have that new format. I mentioned to my business partner that we could use our HD footage to create bluray in the future but he basically said why bother, and to be honest, I see his point. Sure it looks nice, but the costs are just too high right now. And how many people will ask specifically for that right now? Not many.
Inu, you have to realise that some people don't want to or even can embrace every technology under the sun. Some of us will keep a critical eye on something and watch its further development before looking at it more closely. And with that, I don't want to know anymore than I do about "the great" BR.
Oh and don't call me Shirley... :)
Adam.
As much as I love Blu-Ray the only reason I have it is because I bought a PS3. The standalone players are still expensive, but I have heard rumours that there will be Chinese noname players available this year. That should drive down the cost some.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]PieterMC wrote: [/QUOTENAME]As much as I love Blu-Ray the only reason I have it is because I bought a PS3. The standalone players are still expensive, but I have heard rumours that there will be Chinese noname players available this year. That should drive down the cost some.[/QUOTE]
Treat that as just only a rumour.
Sony reps said very explicitly earlier this year that they will NOT licence the BD/AACS techology to any Chinese companies (and no, it has nothing to do with the Olympics ;) ), for fear of commodized players killing the market all over again a la DVD.
At the same time, I think they said that by year's end, they expect players to drop as low as $299 or so by Xmas (or was it $250?), followed by further expected drops in 2009.
Btw the PS3 is a fabulous machine :D
Treat that as just only a rumour.
Sony reps said very explicitly earlier this year that they will NOT licence the BD/AACS techology to any Chinese companies (and no, it has nothing to do with the Olympics ;) ), for fear of commodized players killing the market all over again a la DVD.
At the same time, I think they said that by year's end, they expect players to drop as low as $299 or so by Xmas (or was it $250?), followed by further expected drops in 2009.
Btw the PS3 is a fabulous machine :D
the reason HD DVD was favoured was it could be made in existing DVD plants without retooling, cheaper read laser and the protection layer was 0.6mm.
BluRay has a protective layer of 0.1mm and cost more to produce because retooling and the protective layer.
Performance wise there is little difference except BR has greater storage capacity.
TBH i don't care, just wish Queen would stop arseing around rerealease all the VHS on DVD or BR ASAP and then some new stuff with freddie.
BluRay has a protective layer of 0.1mm and cost more to produce because retooling and the protective layer.
Performance wise there is little difference except BR has greater storage capacity.
TBH i don't care, just wish Queen would stop arseing around rerealease all the VHS on DVD or BR ASAP and then some new stuff with freddie.
I'll go Blu-ray when a stand-alone recorder is available at a reasonable price. Now that I have HDTV, it's very disappointing watching recorded suff in standard when I can't be there live..
I realize there are Tivos and such which will record HD, but I like to have a genuine disc to play back, plus I refuse to pay monthly fees. Now if the DRM built into HDTV makes it impossible to save stuff on Blu-ray anyway, then to hell with all of it.
Oh, and the other thing I am waiting for is the storage capacity to be exploited, rather than simply quality. I want to see an entire standard def TV season on 1 BD for example...
I realize there are Tivos and such which will record HD, but I like to have a genuine disc to play back, plus I refuse to pay monthly fees. Now if the DRM built into HDTV makes it impossible to save stuff on Blu-ray anyway, then to hell with all of it.
Oh, and the other thing I am waiting for is the storage capacity to be exploited, rather than simply quality. I want to see an entire standard def TV season on 1 BD for example...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Deacon Fan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Oh, and the other thing I am waiting for is the storage capacity to be exploited, rather than simply quality. I want to see an entire standard def TV season on 1 BD for example...[/QUOTE]
As much as I agree with you I can't see it happening as they wouldn't be able to justify their bloated prices currently with TV Boxsets which have multiple discs and big packaging as opposed to a single packaged disc, which would HAVE to be cheaper.
Also, there are fans who prefer the big TV boxset packaging and multiple discs and probably would understand the concept of SD material on a BD.
Oh, and the other thing I am waiting for is the storage capacity to be exploited, rather than simply quality. I want to see an entire standard def TV season on 1 BD for example...[/QUOTE]
As much as I agree with you I can't see it happening as they wouldn't be able to justify their bloated prices currently with TV Boxsets which have multiple discs and big packaging as opposed to a single packaged disc, which would HAVE to be cheaper.
Also, there are fans who prefer the big TV boxset packaging and multiple discs and probably would understand the concept of SD material on a BD.
Of course film and music releases would be able to charge more for the amount of content and running time! Why is this so confusing? You are not charged exuberent prices for how many discs something is but for how many hours of content. I also see NO reason why big box sets could not still be done depending on the significance of the project. The bigger longer running ones that would normally be boxsets could still get that type of packaging. If the public are so stupid that they think they will get a whole t.v. series for a cheaper price just because it is on fewer discs or one disc then there's obviously something the hell wrong with them.
I know most people won't tell the difference between a recording at 192 kHz and the same recording (well) downsampled to 44.1 kHz, but surely most of us can tell if the dynamic range, I mean the bit depth, is what goes down. ...Or am I an alien too?