[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
2. My sitting room and office at home is FILLED with Queen CDs, LPs, 7" and 12" singles, CDs, books, mags, programs, tour passes, posters, t-shirts, promo items, books, badges, videos, cassettes, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, BUT STILL there is never enough room, so I've also filled my attic and garage area.
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Isn't it all re-releases and compilations and toothbrushes, though?
Who would want all of that crap?[/QUOTE]
So Greg must have absolutely pristine oral hygiene.
What are you planning on doing with all those toothbrushes, Greg? That's what I wanna know. Screw the DVD releases and box sets, how many toothbrushes do you HAVE to have until it's enough?
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It's true, Greg, when people moan in here about this.
We don't want new PRODUCT!
As you say yourself, there is PRODUCT enough!!
We want new MUSIC!! (as a part of that product)
And despite of a lot of new PRODUCT Queen released over the past years, there was barely ANY new MUSIC.
Though, yes, I do agree that some of the recent DVD's included one or two nice things that we (even the avid video collector) had not seen before.
And to be honest... also in relation to those convention-recordings of your sessions;
The most new MUSIC we heard for the past years has been 'delivered' by bootleggers.
If we all thought or knew that there was nothing left in the vaults, I guess we would be more fine with the situation.
But when you play those tracks at conventions, it tells people what great stuff is still out there. We are being 'told' that there are great volumes of great unheard gems in the vaults or out there.
Of course people get more hungry then!
It's like showing people a juicy steak.
You even let us smell the lucious smell of the steak.
Are you surprised that we all want to BITE?!
With all respect,
cheers
It's true, Greg, when people moan in here about this.
We don't want new PRODUCT!
As you say yourself, there is PRODUCT enough!!
We want new MUSIC!! (as a part of that product)
And despite of a lot of new PRODUCT Queen released over the past years, there was barely ANY new MUSIC.
Though, yes, I do agree that some of the recent DVD's included one or two nice things that we (even the avid video collector) had not seen before.
And to be honest... also in relation to those convention-recordings of your sessions;
The most new MUSIC we heard for the past years has been 'delivered' by bootleggers.
If we all thought or knew that there was nothing left in the vaults, I guess we would be more fine with the situation.
But when you play those tracks at conventions, it tells people what great stuff is still out there. We are being 'told' that there are great volumes of great unheard gems in the vaults or out there.
Of course people get more hungry then!
It's like showing people a juicy steak.
You even let us smell the lucious smell of the steak.
Are you surprised that we all want to BITE?!
With all respect,
cheers
I patch up sick people in an ER, so know next to nothing about the work and costs invilved in putting an album together. What I don't understand is, Queen (and all bands I guess) have a lot of material that will never see the light of day. The rest will, but will be slowly released over a long period of time. Why not make the never to be released material available as downloads, that can be purchased. Hell, I would pay the going cd rate for a good version of say, Hyde Park.
I know that some people will distrubute this illegaly once available, but that happens anyway. Most hard core fans will buy it.
I know that some people will distrubute this illegaly once available, but that happens anyway. Most hard core fans will buy it.
Sorry Greg, but I'll have to side with the chaps here on this one.
Queen to me is about the music and the videos that go with it sometimes. I really could care less about memorabilia unless it's autographed by one of the Queen guys (closest I have atm is my misprinted ROTC CD booklet autographed by Paul Rodgers :) )
I'm really getting tired of all these broken promises and double standards regarding supposed upcoming Queen releases.
Brian himself said that the extras on QRM were going to be "very exciting". What did we get? Live Aid......
....um, right. It was convenient for me anyways, cos I couldn't be arsed to shell out over $40 for the Live Aid boxset just for Queen, but that wouldn't be the case for a lot of other Queen fans.
Don't take this as criticism on your part, Greg. It's just Queen Productions in general, as well as Brian, who are really failing and cheaping out us true fans. Nearly everything Queen in the last few years has become a joke.
Queen to me is about the music and the videos that go with it sometimes. I really could care less about memorabilia unless it's autographed by one of the Queen guys (closest I have atm is my misprinted ROTC CD booklet autographed by Paul Rodgers :) )
I'm really getting tired of all these broken promises and double standards regarding supposed upcoming Queen releases.
Brian himself said that the extras on QRM were going to be "very exciting". What did we get? Live Aid......
....um, right. It was convenient for me anyways, cos I couldn't be arsed to shell out over $40 for the Live Aid boxset just for Queen, but that wouldn't be the case for a lot of other Queen fans.
Don't take this as criticism on your part, Greg. It's just Queen Productions in general, as well as Brian, who are really failing and cheaping out us true fans. Nearly everything Queen in the last few years has become a joke.
Greg, this has kind of been said already, but I suspect the reason some QZ'ers are becoming hostile is that we finally got word of a new Queen live release, got all worked up about it...and then found out it was another Montreal '81. Word broke that another Queen product was headed to DVD soon...and it's looking like it'll be Budapest.
Meanwhile, great '70s gigs like Houston, the Rainbow, Earl's Court, and Hammy '75 and '79 sit in the archives. If the story about Hammy '79 suffering from an acute case of missing multitracks are true, I can see why that one hasn't made it out yet (although that's the one I'd most like to ses released, honestly). Earl's Court, ok, microphone problems. But why not put Rainbow and Hammy '75 together in a two-disc "Early Queen" set? Is there a concern that anything released without Crazy Little Thing, WWRY, WATC, and the full Bo Rhap would sink? Not an attack, just a question.
Maybe there's a concern on the band's part that a hugely significant '70s release might draw attention away from the upcoming Q+PR album. If so, that's also understandable, but be aware that the longer you wait to put out new videos, live CDs, and the rumored box sets, the more disenchanted some fans will become.
I'm not one of those. I've only been a fan for about three years now, and I've barely scratched the surface. I'll stick around through a few more re-releases because they're new to me.
Others, however, may not be so understanding. I think that's the root of their problem, honestly, is the fact that we know what's in your video locker, we know there's a boatload of stuff in your audio locker, and re-releases in anticipation of the new album are all you can muster?
Meanwhile, great '70s gigs like Houston, the Rainbow, Earl's Court, and Hammy '75 and '79 sit in the archives. If the story about Hammy '79 suffering from an acute case of missing multitracks are true, I can see why that one hasn't made it out yet (although that's the one I'd most like to ses released, honestly). Earl's Court, ok, microphone problems. But why not put Rainbow and Hammy '75 together in a two-disc "Early Queen" set? Is there a concern that anything released without Crazy Little Thing, WWRY, WATC, and the full Bo Rhap would sink? Not an attack, just a question.
Maybe there's a concern on the band's part that a hugely significant '70s release might draw attention away from the upcoming Q+PR album. If so, that's also understandable, but be aware that the longer you wait to put out new videos, live CDs, and the rumored box sets, the more disenchanted some fans will become.
I'm not one of those. I've only been a fan for about three years now, and I've barely scratched the surface. I'll stick around through a few more re-releases because they're new to me.
Others, however, may not be so understanding. I think that's the root of their problem, honestly, is the fact that we know what's in your video locker, we know there's a boatload of stuff in your audio locker, and re-releases in anticipation of the new album are all you can muster?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME] wrote: [/QUOTENAME]stuff[/QUOTE]
Could you please check your QZ email?
Pittrek, you are spot on mate. Greg will not answer your questions because he probably does not know the answers.
If the band were interested in their fans they would be sending out archive release updates and what projects they are working on etc., but no we have the new tour/album/dvd/tootbrush maybe to look forward to.
I guess a book of all those different Queen releated items would be nice, but i would prefer if the band concentrated their energies on concert dvd's and the elusive box sets which are going on as long as the Chinese Democracy album.
I have been a fan of the band for over 20 years and i have collected a huge number of singles/lps/ etc., but i would love to hear and watch the unreleased stuff and a lot of the concerts from the seventies.
I guess most of us will have to rely on Youtube and Dave R Fullers page for more rare tracks.
Fair enough they would probably need a huge team of people to work on all the proposed ideas they have, but if they could only let us know what they intend to release next, would be great.
If the band were interested in their fans they would be sending out archive release updates and what projects they are working on etc., but no we have the new tour/album/dvd/tootbrush maybe to look forward to.
I guess a book of all those different Queen releated items would be nice, but i would prefer if the band concentrated their energies on concert dvd's and the elusive box sets which are going on as long as the Chinese Democracy album.
I have been a fan of the band for over 20 years and i have collected a huge number of singles/lps/ etc., but i would love to hear and watch the unreleased stuff and a lot of the concerts from the seventies.
I guess most of us will have to rely on Youtube and Dave R Fullers page for more rare tracks.
Fair enough they would probably need a huge team of people to work on all the proposed ideas they have, but if they could only let us know what they intend to release next, would be great.
To put it simply- we don't care about toothbrushes, mirrors and all this stuff. Some people do- but most of us are not fans of dental hygiene or ways of attaching crappy children drawings to the fridge but of ROCK MUSIC. We're talking about PRODUCT- and we mean NEW music. Simple as that. We haven't got one truly exciting, incredible release in few years now. The problem is- the longer it takes- the higher people's expectations become. With every Montreal / Anniversary ANATO etc it is going to become even more difficult for band to satisfy the hard core fanbase- simply because we have to wait REALLY long time to get sth absolutely exciting, something new... But than again- do tehy REALLY care about the hard core fanbase? Seriously, do they? Not that they have to- absolutely not! But than no-one should be surprised that bootlegs are THAT popular... we can hear a demo or an unreleased gig- or buy a toothbrush. I mean really- what do you think most of us will chose?
Fenderek.... my comments are in CAP LETTERS...
I THINK YOU MAKE A FAIR POINT, BUT IT'S RATHER UNFAIR, AND ACTUALLY, NOT ACCURATE. THIS I SAY BECAUSE I THINK I HAVE 30 OR 40 NEW PRODUCTS HERE FROM THE PAST 2 YEARS, FROM USA, UK, EUROPE, JAPAN (ESPECIALLY)....AND IT'S ALL MUSIC. CDS MOSTLY. PLUS SOME DVDS AND VINYL BOXES FOR ON FIRE AT BOWL, AND MONTREAL... DID YOU NOT GET THEM??!!
This is a thing Greg- not everybody is intrested in memorabilia, robots, pens, toothbrushes and stuff like that.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN MY ORIGINAL POINT, I ALSO STATE... AND I QUOTE MYSELF BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO HAVE IGNORED IT... "My sitting room and office at home is FILLED with Queen CDs, LPs, 7" and 12" singles, CDs,"
IN MY MIND, FENDEREK, "CDs, LPs, 7" and 12" singles, CDs" ARE MUSIC. YOU'RE NOT MAKING SENSE.
MOST OF MY ENTIRE POINT IS THAT QUEEN PUT OUT FAR FAR MORE MUSIC BASED PRODUCT THAN NEARLY EVERY OTHER ARTIST IN THE WORLD. AND IT'S TRUE, THEY DO. I WASN'T MEANING TOOTH BRUSHES AND PENS AND BADGES BY THAT... AS I WROTE.
It's not even about vinyls- which OI collect myself. But this is a stuff that has been released BEFORE- nad it costs more and more and more...
I think the discussion yoo are reffering to was about NEW releases- or the fact that we seem to get more "re-releases" than anything new. Bonuses on Montreal DVD were supposed to be FANTASTIC- so good we didn't get Saturday Night Show... In the end it turned ouit to be Live Aid- sth most of us already had, forking out quite few pounds when it was released as the whole thing- Live Aid triple DVD...
Anniversary ANATO? Montreal yet again? No sight of Box Sets? In terms of demos Queen is probably the LEAST represented band out there- most artists add their demos and rare edits to album re-issues... we got some crappy mixes with Hollywood Records re-issues (apart from 1 or 2 gems). And so on and so on... BBB sessions... gigs from 70s... you DO know the list Greg- it's probably the stuff YOU would love them to release too. And that's what this discussion was all about- about making an effort with NEW releases... I also have boxes and boxes of vinyls- but that's an absolutely different subject...
I HEAR YOU ON THIS. I DO. I AGREE TO A POINT. BUT YOU'RE MAKING A SEPARATE POINT HERE CHUMMY PAL FRIEND MATE. SCRUTINIZING THE CONTENT OF WHAT GETS RELEASED IS ANOTHER THING ALTOGETHER. ALL I WAS REACTING TO WAS THE SUGGESTION THAT EVERY OTHER ARTIST PUTS OUT MORE PRODUCT THAN QUEEN, WHEN CLEARLY THATS COMPLETELY UNTRUE.
WHETHER YOU/ME/HIM/HER LIKES THE PRODUCT OR NOT, OR IF IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER, WAS NOT MY POINT. IT IS INDISPUTABLE THAT QUEEN HAVE PUT OUT A VAST WEALTH OF PRODUCT.
You will see probably 1,700-1,800 Queen items in the book I'm working on, and believe me that is NOT all of it... it's only the best of the best; the tip of the iceberg when you consider that's probably only a quarter or a fifth of it.
But most of us were talking about MUSIC- to be perfectly honest for MUSIC FANS that's really the thing that matters...
WITH RESPECT, YOU SHOULD HAVE READ MY POINT MORE CLOSELY. I REPEAT, IN MY BOOK, FENDEREK, "CDs, LPs, 7" and 12" singles, CDs" IS MUSIC AND IS NOT PENS OR BADGES OR DENTAL APPLIANCES.
I THINK YOU MAKE A FAIR POINT, BUT IT'S RATHER UNFAIR, AND ACTUALLY, NOT ACCURATE. THIS I SAY BECAUSE I THINK I HAVE 30 OR 40 NEW PRODUCTS HERE FROM THE PAST 2 YEARS, FROM USA, UK, EUROPE, JAPAN (ESPECIALLY)....AND IT'S ALL MUSIC. CDS MOSTLY. PLUS SOME DVDS AND VINYL BOXES FOR ON FIRE AT BOWL, AND MONTREAL... DID YOU NOT GET THEM??!!
This is a thing Greg- not everybody is intrested in memorabilia, robots, pens, toothbrushes and stuff like that.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN MY ORIGINAL POINT, I ALSO STATE... AND I QUOTE MYSELF BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO HAVE IGNORED IT... "My sitting room and office at home is FILLED with Queen CDs, LPs, 7" and 12" singles, CDs,"
IN MY MIND, FENDEREK, "CDs, LPs, 7" and 12" singles, CDs" ARE MUSIC. YOU'RE NOT MAKING SENSE.
MOST OF MY ENTIRE POINT IS THAT QUEEN PUT OUT FAR FAR MORE MUSIC BASED PRODUCT THAN NEARLY EVERY OTHER ARTIST IN THE WORLD. AND IT'S TRUE, THEY DO. I WASN'T MEANING TOOTH BRUSHES AND PENS AND BADGES BY THAT... AS I WROTE.
It's not even about vinyls- which OI collect myself. But this is a stuff that has been released BEFORE- nad it costs more and more and more...
I think the discussion yoo are reffering to was about NEW releases- or the fact that we seem to get more "re-releases" than anything new. Bonuses on Montreal DVD were supposed to be FANTASTIC- so good we didn't get Saturday Night Show... In the end it turned ouit to be Live Aid- sth most of us already had, forking out quite few pounds when it was released as the whole thing- Live Aid triple DVD...
Anniversary ANATO? Montreal yet again? No sight of Box Sets? In terms of demos Queen is probably the LEAST represented band out there- most artists add their demos and rare edits to album re-issues... we got some crappy mixes with Hollywood Records re-issues (apart from 1 or 2 gems). And so on and so on... BBB sessions... gigs from 70s... you DO know the list Greg- it's probably the stuff YOU would love them to release too. And that's what this discussion was all about- about making an effort with NEW releases... I also have boxes and boxes of vinyls- but that's an absolutely different subject...
I HEAR YOU ON THIS. I DO. I AGREE TO A POINT. BUT YOU'RE MAKING A SEPARATE POINT HERE CHUMMY PAL FRIEND MATE. SCRUTINIZING THE CONTENT OF WHAT GETS RELEASED IS ANOTHER THING ALTOGETHER. ALL I WAS REACTING TO WAS THE SUGGESTION THAT EVERY OTHER ARTIST PUTS OUT MORE PRODUCT THAN QUEEN, WHEN CLEARLY THATS COMPLETELY UNTRUE.
WHETHER YOU/ME/HIM/HER LIKES THE PRODUCT OR NOT, OR IF IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER, WAS NOT MY POINT. IT IS INDISPUTABLE THAT QUEEN HAVE PUT OUT A VAST WEALTH OF PRODUCT.
You will see probably 1,700-1,800 Queen items in the book I'm working on, and believe me that is NOT all of it... it's only the best of the best; the tip of the iceberg when you consider that's probably only a quarter or a fifth of it.
But most of us were talking about MUSIC- to be perfectly honest for MUSIC FANS that's really the thing that matters...
WITH RESPECT, YOU SHOULD HAVE READ MY POINT MORE CLOSELY. I REPEAT, IN MY BOOK, FENDEREK, "CDs, LPs, 7" and 12" singles, CDs" IS MUSIC AND IS NOT PENS OR BADGES OR DENTAL APPLIANCES.
Yes Greg, you're right, you listed ALSO music - but re-prints, remasters, new compilations etc. aren't really exciting for most of the people here
Zebonka12 said...
Isn't it all re-releases and compilations and toothbrushes, though?
Who would want all of that crap?
GB: NOT YOU, ZEBONKA, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A QUEEN FAN.
BUT REAL QUEEN FANS LOVE THIS STUFF - BECAUSE THEY LOVE QUEEN... THAT'S HOW THEY CAME TO BE ON THIS SITE WITH THEIR COMMON INTEREST.
YOU ARE STILL A DICK-HEAD I'M AFRAID. BUT DO NOT LOSE HEART, WE'RE NONE OF US PERFECT.
Isn't it all re-releases and compilations and toothbrushes, though?
Who would want all of that crap?
GB: NOT YOU, ZEBONKA, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A QUEEN FAN.
BUT REAL QUEEN FANS LOVE THIS STUFF - BECAUSE THEY LOVE QUEEN... THAT'S HOW THEY CAME TO BE ON THIS SITE WITH THEIR COMMON INTEREST.
YOU ARE STILL A DICK-HEAD I'M AFRAID. BUT DO NOT LOSE HEART, WE'RE NONE OF US PERFECT.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queenman!! wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Greg.. I like your idea of making and publishing a book about Queen memorabilia. Now my main question; Will there be a list of recordings that are in the archive on tape? So audio and videomasters?[/QUOTE]
No there won't, because such a thing has nothing to do with this book. This is purely memorabilia not Queen In The Studio.
No there won't, because such a thing has nothing to do with this book. This is purely memorabilia not Queen In The Studio.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry... wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Release of 'something from 70s' is a long-time idée fixe of almost all Queen fans though they probably have heard most of their recorded gigs from that era (or at least the most significant ones). You all awating for bonus stuff on Disk 2.[/QUOTE]
We did seriously consider a long time idée fixe, but none of us knew what it was, so we went home instead! Was that wrong?
We did seriously consider a long time idée fixe, but none of us knew what it was, so we went home instead! Was that wrong?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]pittrek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't give a f**k about bullsh*t like "memorabilia" : [QUOTE]books, mags, programs, tour passes, posters, t-shirts, promo items, books, badges,[/QUOTE]- Queen are / were a ROCK BAND ! Which means that we expect MUSIC. CDs, DVDs, even LPs or Blue-Rays. Is it THAT hard to understand ?
Queen productions have really wonderful collection of live videos - why are they hiding them instead of releasing them and making money of them ? I see absolutely NO logic in this.
The last at least interesting Queen product was Queen Rocks (I'm not talking about Freddie's box, it's good but it's not Queen). Another at least slightly interesting release was Milton Keynes DVD, but that's all.
When will we finally get the promised singles box set ?
When will we finally get the promised demos & rarities box set ?
When will we finally see some NEW concert on DVD ?
When will we get proper DVD releases of at least Rainbow 74, Hammersmith 75, Hyde Park 76, Earls Court 77, Paris 79, Hammersmith 79, South America 81, Japan 75/82/85 ?
When will we get the promised BBC sessions ?
The only thing what is QP doing is PROMISING. They (incl. you) promise an interesting product, and it gets either cancelled, or changes into a crap like GH3 or Queen Rock Montreal. THIS is what people are complaining about. And it's weird that somebody has to tell it to the OFFICIAL Queen archivist.
Sorry if I'm too harsh Greg but you are the only employee of QP with who we can communicate. I know you're not a part of the decision making process, but PLEASE either tell your boss(es) what the "normal" fans want or don't start topics like this one[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but this is excessively and whole-heartedly boring. Would anyone else bother to reply to this??? And it's not exactly a friendly tone, is it Mrs Pittrek!!!!!
Queen productions have really wonderful collection of live videos - why are they hiding them instead of releasing them and making money of them ? I see absolutely NO logic in this.
The last at least interesting Queen product was Queen Rocks (I'm not talking about Freddie's box, it's good but it's not Queen). Another at least slightly interesting release was Milton Keynes DVD, but that's all.
When will we finally get the promised singles box set ?
When will we finally get the promised demos & rarities box set ?
When will we finally see some NEW concert on DVD ?
When will we get proper DVD releases of at least Rainbow 74, Hammersmith 75, Hyde Park 76, Earls Court 77, Paris 79, Hammersmith 79, South America 81, Japan 75/82/85 ?
When will we get the promised BBC sessions ?
The only thing what is QP doing is PROMISING. They (incl. you) promise an interesting product, and it gets either cancelled, or changes into a crap like GH3 or Queen Rock Montreal. THIS is what people are complaining about. And it's weird that somebody has to tell it to the OFFICIAL Queen archivist.
Sorry if I'm too harsh Greg but you are the only employee of QP with who we can communicate. I know you're not a part of the decision making process, but PLEASE either tell your boss(es) what the "normal" fans want or don't start topics like this one[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but this is excessively and whole-heartedly boring. Would anyone else bother to reply to this??? And it's not exactly a friendly tone, is it Mrs Pittrek!!!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]coops wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I patch up sick people in an ER, so know next to nothing about the work and costs invilved in putting an album together. What I don't understand is, Queen (and all bands I guess) have a lot of material that will never see the light of day. The rest will, but will be slowly released over a long period of time. Why not make the never to be released material available as downloads, that can be purchased. Hell, I would pay the going cd rate for a good version of say, Hyde Park.
I know that some people will distrubute this illegaly once available, but that happens anyway. Most hard core fans will buy it.
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Dear Coops. I have just fallen over in the garden and cut my hand open. It's an ugly scene (no nasty jokes please). Can you help me please? There is much blood!
I know that some people will distrubute this illegaly once available, but that happens anyway. Most hard core fans will buy it.
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Dear Coops. I have just fallen over in the garden and cut my hand open. It's an ugly scene (no nasty jokes please). Can you help me please? There is much blood!