I don't have anything to do with Barak Obama. In fact, I hate meddling with my uneducated guees in other countries' politics.
I didn't have anything to do with him until he spoke about Jews...and it sounded all so fake, phony, sentimental and childish that I really asked myself whether he sounds like that when he's talking about other issues! It's more of a question, really.
I know Jewish votes are important. But, I mean, I wouldn't vote for a guy who has no shame of sounding disgunstingly fake and opportunist!!!!
The rest of the interview makes some sense, it's ok, it's interesting, but did he have to say THIS:
"Sometimes I’m attacked in the press for maybe being too deliberative. My staff teases me sometimes about anguishing over moral questions. I think I learned that partly from Jewish thought, that your actions have consequences and that they matter and that we have moral imperatives. The point is, if you look at my writings and my history, my commitment to Israel and the Jewish people is more than skin-deep and it’s more than political expediency. When it comes to the gut issue, I have such ardent defenders among my Jewish friends in Chicago. I don’t think people have noticed how fiercely they defend me, and how central they are to my success, because they’ve interacted with me long enough to know that I've got it in my gut. During the Wright episode, they didn’t flinch for a minute, because they know me and trust me, and they’ve seen me operate in difficult political situations."
The gut issue? I've got it in my gut? My staff teases me sometimes about anguishing over moral questions?
I mean, come on. The rest of the interview is quite ok, but man, this sounds so pathetic in its opportunism and exaggeration.
So, I'm not qualified to - neither have the right of - talking about him as a candidate. But this declaration, why? I mean, as far as I'm concerned, it just makes for ruining his image. It's really like it's a living stereothype who's out there, a persona you can't really get into.
Ok, maybe all the politicians are like this, but, I mean, Bill Clinton, at least he sounded like a real person. So much that, you know...there was the scandal and stuff. lol
But this guy, it's as if it's pure persona and theatrics, it's how he sounds to me, at least.
Well, again, not talking about the merits of each candidate, just about this celebrity thing, even the presidential candidate became one, it seems!
Thread
Posts in chronological order
you are wasting your time on this election since all the candidates are just puppets of people behind the scene, the election is a JOKE!
This guy lied about almost all his own life history! I mean, lying here and there, that's usual, but this guy, it's as if the guy didn't exist, really, it's pure theatrics and persona, there's nothing there, I mean.
Again, I'm IGNORANT REGARDING POLITICS IN GENERAL, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF OTHER COUNTRIES SO I'M NOT JUDGING THE MERITS OF EACH CANDIDATE, but this guy, I mean, after the interview about the Jews, I tried to get some info on him, nothing radical, went to the mainstream sources, man...it's just that the guy doesn't exist!
Is it my impression or is he a total fake?
Maybe he turns out to be a great president, I'm not arguing about that.
It's more the theatrics I'm interested in.
Because Clinton seemed like a real person, there was the usual lying and stuff, but you know pretty much where the guy came from, he was quite straightforward about that, had his own ideas...there was theatrics, I guess, but, I don't know, as I little kid, when I used to watch the tv, I remember his image and he didn't sound so fake, but, again, I was a kid, it's childhood impressions, not very reliable anyway.
Now, this guy! Not that I'm much older now (lol) but he sounds totally fake regarding Jews.
My question is more or less like this:
Does he sound so fake and opportunist in all issues? Or the Jewish Question, so to say, is different?
It's more a question and an expression of how baffled I got by reading the interview!
Again, I'm IGNORANT REGARDING POLITICS IN GENERAL, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF OTHER COUNTRIES SO I'M NOT JUDGING THE MERITS OF EACH CANDIDATE, but this guy, I mean, after the interview about the Jews, I tried to get some info on him, nothing radical, went to the mainstream sources, man...it's just that the guy doesn't exist!
Is it my impression or is he a total fake?
Maybe he turns out to be a great president, I'm not arguing about that.
It's more the theatrics I'm interested in.
Because Clinton seemed like a real person, there was the usual lying and stuff, but you know pretty much where the guy came from, he was quite straightforward about that, had his own ideas...there was theatrics, I guess, but, I don't know, as I little kid, when I used to watch the tv, I remember his image and he didn't sound so fake, but, again, I was a kid, it's childhood impressions, not very reliable anyway.
Now, this guy! Not that I'm much older now (lol) but he sounds totally fake regarding Jews.
My question is more or less like this:
Does he sound so fake and opportunist in all issues? Or the Jewish Question, so to say, is different?
It's more a question and an expression of how baffled I got by reading the interview!
Still, I think he'd make a better president than Clinton or that old dude.
And who cares, all politicians lie!
And who cares, all politicians lie!
The thing about Obama is inexperience.
A more experienced politician would know how to balance enthusiasm for what s/he wants to say with what s/he must say, so the peaks and valleys of passion and disdain are not so easily identified... so that lies and truth become indiscernable... to us AND to him or her.
THAT is the mark of a true professional, an experienced and worthy politician.
Obama is a mere babe still learning the ropes - a man not well respected by Europe because of his newbie status, a man who will not reforge our alliances as quickly as Clinton nor widen the rift as adeptly as McCain. But he's also a man who has yet to master the art of political deception. In time, he will indeed learn to master this, but for now he's flying on the high of that refreshing-for-some 'innocence' of character.
A more experienced politician would know how to balance enthusiasm for what s/he wants to say with what s/he must say, so the peaks and valleys of passion and disdain are not so easily identified... so that lies and truth become indiscernable... to us AND to him or her.
THAT is the mark of a true professional, an experienced and worthy politician.
Obama is a mere babe still learning the ropes - a man not well respected by Europe because of his newbie status, a man who will not reforge our alliances as quickly as Clinton nor widen the rift as adeptly as McCain. But he's also a man who has yet to master the art of political deception. In time, he will indeed learn to master this, but for now he's flying on the high of that refreshing-for-some 'innocence' of character.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Yara wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I know Jewish votes are important. But, I mean, I wouldn't vote for a guy who has no shame of sounding disgunstingly fake and opportunist!!!!
The rest of the interview makes some sense, it's ok, it's interesting, but did he have to say THIS:
"Sometimes I’m attacked in the press for maybe being too deliberative. My staff teases me sometimes about anguishing over moral questions. I think I learned that partly from Jewish thought, that your actions have consequences and that they matter and that we have moral imperatives. The point is, if you look at my writings and my history, my commitment to Israel and the Jewish people is more than skin-deep and it’s more than political expediency. When it comes to the gut issue, I have such ardent defenders among my Jewish friends in Chicago. I don’t think people have noticed how fiercely they defend me, and how central they are to my success, because they’ve interacted with me long enough to know that I've got it in my gut. During the Wright episode, they didn’t flinch for a minute, because they know me and trust me, and they’ve seen me operate in difficult political situations."
The gut issue? I've got it in my gut? My staff teases me sometimes about anguishing over moral questions?
[/QUOTE]
Oi, minha linda. Como você está? Refiz meu cadastro para acompanhá-la aqui, sempre que possível. Vi a gravação do recital e adorei, você já está muito longe, querida, não precisa ir muito mais longe. Estou orgulhoso.
Quanto ao Obama, bem, achei bem pior, para ser sincero, essa partezinha aqui, veja: "The point is, if you look at my writings and my history, my commitment to Israel and the Jewish people is more than skin-deep and it’s more than political expediency."
E é mentira. O passado dele é islâmico, suas ligações são com pastores fanáticos e o único pensamento judeu que ele deve conhecer, de tanto assistir desenho animado ou filme de ficção científica, é E=MC2.
Ele é inteiro mentiroso, inteirinho. Sou mais velho e posso te assegurar que suas impressões sobre o Clinton não são equivocadas, o cara ainda é alguém, tem algo ali de verdadeiro. Este Obama é uma mentira, um ficção do começo ao fim. Assisti recentemente a um dos seus discursos, é pavoroso.
Beijos, minha linda e talentosa Yara,
Tô com muito orgulho, mocinha!
Marcus
I know Jewish votes are important. But, I mean, I wouldn't vote for a guy who has no shame of sounding disgunstingly fake and opportunist!!!!
The rest of the interview makes some sense, it's ok, it's interesting, but did he have to say THIS:
"Sometimes I’m attacked in the press for maybe being too deliberative. My staff teases me sometimes about anguishing over moral questions. I think I learned that partly from Jewish thought, that your actions have consequences and that they matter and that we have moral imperatives. The point is, if you look at my writings and my history, my commitment to Israel and the Jewish people is more than skin-deep and it’s more than political expediency. When it comes to the gut issue, I have such ardent defenders among my Jewish friends in Chicago. I don’t think people have noticed how fiercely they defend me, and how central they are to my success, because they’ve interacted with me long enough to know that I've got it in my gut. During the Wright episode, they didn’t flinch for a minute, because they know me and trust me, and they’ve seen me operate in difficult political situations."
The gut issue? I've got it in my gut? My staff teases me sometimes about anguishing over moral questions?
[/QUOTE]
Oi, minha linda. Como você está? Refiz meu cadastro para acompanhá-la aqui, sempre que possível. Vi a gravação do recital e adorei, você já está muito longe, querida, não precisa ir muito mais longe. Estou orgulhoso.
Quanto ao Obama, bem, achei bem pior, para ser sincero, essa partezinha aqui, veja: "The point is, if you look at my writings and my history, my commitment to Israel and the Jewish people is more than skin-deep and it’s more than political expediency."
E é mentira. O passado dele é islâmico, suas ligações são com pastores fanáticos e o único pensamento judeu que ele deve conhecer, de tanto assistir desenho animado ou filme de ficção científica, é E=MC2.
Ele é inteiro mentiroso, inteirinho. Sou mais velho e posso te assegurar que suas impressões sobre o Clinton não são equivocadas, o cara ainda é alguém, tem algo ali de verdadeiro. Este Obama é uma mentira, um ficção do começo ao fim. Assisti recentemente a um dos seus discursos, é pavoroso.
Beijos, minha linda e talentosa Yara,
Tô com muito orgulho, mocinha!
Marcus
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Marcus Gratianus wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Oi, minha linda. Como você está? Refiz meu cadastro para acompanhá-la aqui, sempre que possível. Vi a gravação do recital e adorei, você já está muito longe, querida, não precisa ir muito mais longe. Estou orgulhoso.
Quanto ao Obama, bem, achei bem pior, para ser sincero, essa partezinha aqui, veja: "The point is, if you look at my writings and my history, my commitment to Israel and the Jewish people is more than skin-deep and it’s more than political expediency."
E é mentira. O passado dele é islâmico, suas ligações são com pastores fanáticos e o único pensamento judeu que ele deve conhecer, de tanto assistir desenho animado ou filme de ficção científica, é E=MC2.
Ele é inteiro mentiroso, inteirinho. Sou mais velho e posso te assegurar que suas impressões sobre o Clinton não são equivocadas, o cara ainda é alguém, tem algo ali de verdadeiro. Este Obama é uma mentira, um ficção do começo ao fim. Assisti recentemente a um dos seus discursos, é pavoroso.
Beijos, minha linda e talentosa Yara,
Tô com muito orgulho, mocinha!
Marcus
[/QUOTE]
"e o único pensamento judeu que ele deve conhecer, de tanto assistir desenho animado ou filme de ficção científica, é E=MC2." Hahahaha. Obrigada por vir, tá? :-)))) Estou esquisita no vídeo. :/ Risos. Agora tem um PM aqui (canto esquerdo) e você pode mandar mensagens privadas para mim. ;-))) PM user, canto esquerdo.
:-))))
Abraço.
Oi, minha linda. Como você está? Refiz meu cadastro para acompanhá-la aqui, sempre que possível. Vi a gravação do recital e adorei, você já está muito longe, querida, não precisa ir muito mais longe. Estou orgulhoso.
Quanto ao Obama, bem, achei bem pior, para ser sincero, essa partezinha aqui, veja: "The point is, if you look at my writings and my history, my commitment to Israel and the Jewish people is more than skin-deep and it’s more than political expediency."
E é mentira. O passado dele é islâmico, suas ligações são com pastores fanáticos e o único pensamento judeu que ele deve conhecer, de tanto assistir desenho animado ou filme de ficção científica, é E=MC2.
Ele é inteiro mentiroso, inteirinho. Sou mais velho e posso te assegurar que suas impressões sobre o Clinton não são equivocadas, o cara ainda é alguém, tem algo ali de verdadeiro. Este Obama é uma mentira, um ficção do começo ao fim. Assisti recentemente a um dos seus discursos, é pavoroso.
Beijos, minha linda e talentosa Yara,
Tô com muito orgulho, mocinha!
Marcus
[/QUOTE]
"e o único pensamento judeu que ele deve conhecer, de tanto assistir desenho animado ou filme de ficção científica, é E=MC2." Hahahaha. Obrigada por vir, tá? :-)))) Estou esquisita no vídeo. :/ Risos. Agora tem um PM aqui (canto esquerdo) e você pode mandar mensagens privadas para mim. ;-))) PM user, canto esquerdo.
:-))))
Abraço.
Is Obama fake?
He's not even black.
He's not even black.
I hate it when a Presidential candidate or politician is suppossed to kiss ass to a social, ethnic, religious, or racial group in particular.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Is Obama fake?
He's not even black.[/QUOTE]
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
hahahhaha that was great..
I go for Hillary cuz she's a girl..
i remember seeing a debate on tv involving those 2
it was weird and strangely exciting o.O
He's not even black.[/QUOTE]
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
hahahhaha that was great..
I go for Hillary cuz she's a girl..
i remember seeing a debate on tv involving those 2
it was weird and strangely exciting o.O
Hello Yara. I noted Mr. Obamas 'fakeness' sometime ago. He claims to represent the difficult black experience in the USA, yet he was raised by his white mother and grandparents in a reasonably affluent setting as opposed to the conditions that many black people face living in the inner city ghettos. He claims to represent the politics of inclusion and tolerance yet associates himself with radical leftists who are anything but, including the pastor of his own church who is a racist and antisemite. He has also stated his willingness to negociate with the antisemtic regimes that control Iran and Syria without preconditions. That is why he has to make the patronizing 'Jewish friendly' statements such as the one you quoted in your original post.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/10/20/obama-no-hand-heart-pledge-either-will-msm-notice
i didn't hate him before this but it seems obama's life is just an unraveling sweater to the public. That and he finds it difficult to put his hand over heart during the pledge of the united states because this country's pledge isn't the pledge closest to his heart.
i didn't hate him before this but it seems obama's life is just an unraveling sweater to the public. That and he finds it difficult to put his hand over heart during the pledge of the united states because this country's pledge isn't the pledge closest to his heart.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]StoneColdClassicQueen wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Is Obama fake?
He's not even black.[/QUOTE]
I go for Hillary cuz she's a girl..
well thank god you're too young to vote because that's just what we need ignorant women voting for anyone who has the same sex organs.
He's not even black.[/QUOTE]
I go for Hillary cuz she's a girl..
well thank god you're too young to vote because that's just what we need ignorant women voting for anyone who has the same sex organs.
Hi Yara,
first off, don't bother trying to talk to Treasure Moment. In case you haven't noticed, he's not one to have any kind of logical conversation with.
Second, as Magical said, Obama is inexperienced. But he was trying to make a number of points in that speech. The biggest of which being that "He agonizes over decisions"; this runs contrary to the popular view of Bush, who simply makes decisions based on what he wants and damn the consequences (otherwise known as cowboy diplomacy: Shoot first, and ask questions later) The second point about him relying on his "gut instincts" is again a juxtaposition to the charges against Bush that he "should have let his gut instinct lead him, instead of formulating evidence to support the decision he'd already made". He's highlighting the differences between himself and Bush (and the Republican party by extension).
Thirdly, he is pandering. But he's a politician. That's what they do. Honestly, if they didn't pander to the public, the public would distrust them. But he's also a better speaker than either Hilary Clinton or McCain. McCain is funny enough, but he's too scripted. Hilary is just as scripted, and never says anything with feeling at all. Bill Clinton was a pretty good public speaker and portrayed a good image, but have you seen what he's said since he's been campaigning for his wife? That's the real Bill Clinton, and it's a complete power trip 180 from when he was in the oval office.
It is true that some of Obama's speeches come off as inexperienced; but that's the point. He's running on a campaign of change as a Washington outsider. If he sounded as scripted and professional as McCain and Clinton, then he wouldn't be able to show himself as a Washington outsider.
first off, don't bother trying to talk to Treasure Moment. In case you haven't noticed, he's not one to have any kind of logical conversation with.
Second, as Magical said, Obama is inexperienced. But he was trying to make a number of points in that speech. The biggest of which being that "He agonizes over decisions"; this runs contrary to the popular view of Bush, who simply makes decisions based on what he wants and damn the consequences (otherwise known as cowboy diplomacy: Shoot first, and ask questions later) The second point about him relying on his "gut instincts" is again a juxtaposition to the charges against Bush that he "should have let his gut instinct lead him, instead of formulating evidence to support the decision he'd already made". He's highlighting the differences between himself and Bush (and the Republican party by extension).
Thirdly, he is pandering. But he's a politician. That's what they do. Honestly, if they didn't pander to the public, the public would distrust them. But he's also a better speaker than either Hilary Clinton or McCain. McCain is funny enough, but he's too scripted. Hilary is just as scripted, and never says anything with feeling at all. Bill Clinton was a pretty good public speaker and portrayed a good image, but have you seen what he's said since he's been campaigning for his wife? That's the real Bill Clinton, and it's a complete power trip 180 from when he was in the oval office.
It is true that some of Obama's speeches come off as inexperienced; but that's the point. He's running on a campaign of change as a Washington outsider. If he sounded as scripted and professional as McCain and Clinton, then he wouldn't be able to show himself as a Washington outsider.
MasterHistoryGirl, thank you so much. I simply didn't have any context whatsoever, and was kind of naive in my approach too.
I love this board! Thank you so much, dear!
I have to admit that I'm ashamed of writing here because people are so knowledgeable...at the same time, I love it, because I learn a lot, like, today, Thunderbolt replied to a thread I had created and really gave me a lecture for free about Queen.
It's really a joy to be here, a priviledge.
Thanks to people like you guys!
Thank you so much, take care and good luck!
So, like, may I ask you one final question? lol I don't want to abuse of your patience. :op
Do you feel that there are significant differences among the candidate's take or views on the most important issues to the citizens? I don't even know what are the most important there for the U.S citizens! I'd like to know these things, to learn that, what do you people in general find important, and so on.
Well, don't want to waste your time - we Pmed and I know time is not on your side! - but, when time allows and you feel like doing so, I'd love if you commented on this.
I wish you the very best.
Ya'ra
I love this board! Thank you so much, dear!
I have to admit that I'm ashamed of writing here because people are so knowledgeable...at the same time, I love it, because I learn a lot, like, today, Thunderbolt replied to a thread I had created and really gave me a lecture for free about Queen.
It's really a joy to be here, a priviledge.
Thanks to people like you guys!
Thank you so much, take care and good luck!
So, like, may I ask you one final question? lol I don't want to abuse of your patience. :op
Do you feel that there are significant differences among the candidate's take or views on the most important issues to the citizens? I don't even know what are the most important there for the U.S citizens! I'd like to know these things, to learn that, what do you people in general find important, and so on.
Well, don't want to waste your time - we Pmed and I know time is not on your side! - but, when time allows and you feel like doing so, I'd love if you commented on this.
I wish you the very best.
Ya'ra