ANNOUNCE: Queen in London, UK (Dec.09-1980)

Spectral views are best to identify fake loseless.

This seems like an mp3 played thru Winamp or WMP and recorded onto WAV, so definately LOSSY.

I wonder why all last Roy's shares are mp3 sourced passed as loseless. Would you mind checking your shares before uploading them?

Thanks in advance.

Yes, Audiochecker confirm your opinion Alex:

[QUOTE]AUDIOCHECKER v1.2 - by Dester - opdester@freemail.hu
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01 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 01.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like CDDA with probability 43%

02 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 02.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like CDDA with probability 49%

03 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 03.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

04 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 04.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

05 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 05.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

06 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 06.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

07 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 07.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

08 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 08.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

09 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 09.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

10 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 10.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

11 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 11.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

12 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 12.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

13 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc1\Track 13.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 73%
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[QUOTE]AUDIOCHECKER v1.2 - by Dester - opdester@freemail.hu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

14 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 01.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like CDDA with probability 92%

15 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 02.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 79%

16 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 03.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: Could not qualify the source of this track.

17 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 04.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 91%

18 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 05.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 95%

19 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 06.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 95%

20 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 07.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 95%

21 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 08.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 91%

22 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 09.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 91%

23 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 10.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 91%

24 -===- D:\downloads\Queen London 1980.12.09\Disc2\Track 11.flac
Extracted successfully
Conclusion: This track looks like MPEG with probability 85%
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Hi dear Alex. How are you ?

So you mean a Mpeg file passed as lossless shows that strange line ? Is that always the case, and does that absolutely mean that it is mpeg disguised with Winamp or so ? I am not that expert in that field and I am always happy to learn new things. I had one recording showing the same thing, a strange line, but closer to 20.000 :

Paul Rodgers solo (yes I know, you LOVE Paul Rodgers !), thanks Dobo : http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1065375

In this post I uploaded some spectral views and frequencies analysis of the tracks, they show the same strange thinh. These files come from radio broadcast, don't know if that explain something anyway.

Also could you please get an eye on the Milwaukee 1976, I did the same thing, I uploaded spectral views and frequencies analysis for this gig and still wanted to have some explanation about the way they look. It's in this topic (thanks Queenline, I read your PM !) :
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q_FORUM_ID=4&Q_FORUM_NAME=Sharing+The+Music+-+Announce&TOPIC_SUBJECT=ANNAONCE%3a+1976-03-01+Milwaukee+in+Rapidshare&Q=1105421&page=2


If you can help us with your skills, many thanks in advance !!

Regards,

Olivier,
France.

All shares? Well, let's take a better look into it, with care, and without charging anyone yet, ok? I just checked "Let me Entertain You" from the previous share by Roy, Dec-10-1980, and these were the results:

[03 Let me entertain you.wav]
Detected average hi-boundary frequency: 2.011565e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-boundary frequency: 1.269613e+004 Hz
Detected average hi-cut frequency: 2.145989e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-cut frequency: 1.642585e+004 Hz
Maximum probablis boundary frequency: 2.189600e+004 Hz
Coefficient of nonlinearity of a phase: 2.232274e+000
First order smothness: 3.301887e-001
Second order smothness: 8.962264e-001
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This track looks like CDDA with probability 100%.


No errors occured.

To help Daffy, these were the results I got for the first four files of this share:

"auCDtect: CD records authenticity detector, version 0.8.2
Copyright (c) 2004 Oleg Berngardt. All rights reserved.
Copyright (c) 2004 Alexander Djourik. All rights reserved.

Detect mode (0..40 with 0 = most accurate): 8 (default)


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[Track 01.wav]
Detected average hi-boundary frequency: 2.103089e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-boundary frequency: 1.428293e+004 Hz
Detected average hi-cut frequency: 2.131595e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-cut frequency: 2.049020e+004 Hz
Maximum probablis boundary frequency: 2.049700e+004 Hz
Coefficient of nonlinearity of a phase: 8.244348e-002
First order smothness: 5.558912e-001
Second order smothness: 8.912387e-001
------------------------------------------------------------
Could not qualify the source of this track.

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[Track 02.wav]
Detected average hi-boundary frequency: 2.084761e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-boundary frequency: 1.699927e+004 Hz
Detected average hi-cut frequency: 2.115631e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-cut frequency: 2.039919e+004 Hz
Maximum probablis boundary frequency: 2.050800e+004 Hz
Coefficient of nonlinearity of a phase: 1.231808e-001
First order smothness: 4.882629e-001
Second order smothness: 8.028169e-001
------------------------------------------------------------
Could not qualify the source of this track.

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[Track 03.wav]
Detected average hi-boundary frequency: 2.089824e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-boundary frequency: 1.534780e+004 Hz
Detected average hi-cut frequency: 2.116819e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-cut frequency: 2.030373e+004 Hz
Maximum probablis boundary frequency: 2.051300e+004 Hz
Coefficient of nonlinearity of a phase: 1.009380e-001
First order smothness: 5.220126e-001
Second order smothness: 8.207547e-001
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This track looks like CDDA with probability 43%.

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[Track 04.wav]
Detected average hi-boundary frequency: 2.081400e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-boundary frequency: 1.532186e+004 Hz
Detected average hi-cut frequency: 2.114171e+004 Hz
Detected average lo-cut frequency: 2.024537e+004 Hz
Maximum probablis boundary frequency: 2.048100e+004 Hz
Coefficient of nonlinearity of a phase: 1.042642e-001
First order smothness: 5.418994e-001
Second order smothness: 8.212291e-001
------------------------------------------------------------
This track looks like CDDA with probability 54%."


So, while in Daffy's test tracks 3 and 4 source could not be qualified, in mine, yes, and it's a mixed result with regards to probability.

I hope someone knowledge on all this can help us sort it all out.

I really don't think it is a mp3-sourced recording.
First, there's no neat cut at 16 kHz or even anywhere.
Then, there's no black hole in the spectrum view.
These two things are different in the Manchester 74 recording which is clearly mp3-sourced.
I think it is a tape which was very badly transfered as the levels on each channel are really not equal and there is a lot of tape hiss. Otherwise, the sound of this recording is quite bad so it is not surprising that there's no high end.
But maybe something was done after it was transfered on cdr.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Alex Solan. wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Spectral views are best to identify fake loseless.

This seems like an mp3 played thru Winamp or WMP and recorded onto WAV, so definately LOSSY.

I wonder why all last Roy's shares are mp3 sourced passed as loseless. Would you mind checking your shares before uploading them?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

You're welcome!

And sorry, Alex, didn't know you were the man in charge here.

About the thanks in advance, usually the polite people give them before downloading.

Anyway, it's an easy deal, delete it.

Yada, yada yada.

First of all, I'm not the man in charge.

2nd, I do check stuff before sharing here. Don't wanna make people to fucking download hundreds of MB's of lossy stuff.

It only takes a couple of mins to check the quality of a recording.

You took it too personal, slow it down old fella ;-)

MERCI BEAUCOUP

Any seeders PLEASE?!! That would be very kind. :-)

Hey folks,

for those who can´t torrent the concert I place some links to mediafire.

CD 1:
http://www.mediafire.com/?cgdpn09mow9
http://www.mediafire.com/?k0pj1q3dg9l
http://www.mediafire.com/?wjlcdjt1cjc
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmjzx3m32y1
http://www.mediafire.com/?j9medjncltq

CD 2:
http://www.mediafire.com/?m96ty1s9nye
http://www.mediafire.com/?du13y8lemm9
http://www.mediafire.com/?xwteve3uq8j
http://www.mediafire.com/?fwqkym9xvce

regards
W.

THANK YOU very much, RoyThomasBaker !!
Also thanks to Double-U ! Cheers ;-)
Dreamweaver

thanks

Thanks! great concert

Any other opinions else then Alex and Roy ?