They made operas out of Jerry Springer and Nixon visiting China, so it's not so out of the realm of possibility. I think I would like it more than We Will Rock You.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]They made operas out of Jerry Springer and Nixon visiting China, so it's not so out of the realm of possibility. I think I would like it more than We Will Rock You.
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Funny how so many people who "don't like" the musical haven't even seen it. Did you get out to Vegas or somewhere else to see it, or are you one of them too?
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Funny how so many people who "don't like" the musical haven't even seen it. Did you get out to Vegas or somewhere else to see it, or are you one of them too?
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wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Un-fucking unbelievable. Freddie was a raging homosexual. Don't you guys get it? He was a raging homosexual *and* a great musician. ...and a whole lot of other angry drivel[/QUOTE] Holy friggin defensive! Let's calm the flame war, as this thread should be about the movie. Of course we get that he was a raging homosexual, but that was just one aspect of him. The problem is that he's known far more for his sexuality than he is as a musician. Most people couldn't name 5 songs he wrote, but they have a fairly good idea of what his partying life was like. These things should at least be equal, and they're not, and probably never will be - particularly in North America. It's about 90/10 from what I've seen. Like I said, a biopic full of graphic details (however true or not) about his private life is what will make money. The creators of this movie know that most people won't care about the brilliance it took to create that string of eclectic albums in the 70s and that he's the only rock singer ever to do an opera album. But again, maybe they even aren't aware, nor do they have to be to make a movie. To the general public, sex sells. Musical quality doesn't. [/QUOTE]Where I live Queen is regarded as one of the biggest bands ever. But by the serious music press not as one of the best:-) In a way Queen still seems the band some type of people(pseudo intellectuals:-) love to hate. Freddie is regarded as an incredible vocalist and a very flamboyant character. Bohemian Rhapsody makes it to number 1 in many polls, ever since freddie's passing and recently Freddie was voted number 2 after Elvis Presley as best vocalist ever(in a poll that got quite some publicity). So I can't complain. Altough every piece about Freddie starts or ends with the words: Freddie Mercury, who died from Aids in 1991... Brian and the others get little attention. Queen=Freddie Mercury attitude, you know.
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Un-fucking unbelievable. Freddie was a raging homosexual. Don't you guys get it? He was a raging homosexual *and* a great musician. ...and a whole lot of other angry drivel[/QUOTE] Holy friggin defensive! Let's calm the flame war, as this thread should be about the movie. Of course we get that he was a raging homosexual, but that was just one aspect of him. The problem is that he's known far more for his sexuality than he is as a musician. Most people couldn't name 5 songs he wrote, but they have a fairly good idea of what his partying life was like. These things should at least be equal, and they're not, and probably never will be - particularly in North America. It's about 90/10 from what I've seen. Like I said, a biopic full of graphic details (however true or not) about his private life is what will make money. The creators of this movie know that most people won't care about the brilliance it took to create that string of eclectic albums in the 70s and that he's the only rock singer ever to do an opera album. But again, maybe they even aren't aware, nor do they have to be to make a movie. To the general public, sex sells. Musical quality doesn't. [/QUOTE]Where I live Queen is regarded as one of the biggest bands ever. But by the serious music press not as one of the best:-) In a way Queen still seems the band some type of people(pseudo intellectuals:-) love to hate. Freddie is regarded as an incredible vocalist and a very flamboyant character. Bohemian Rhapsody makes it to number 1 in many polls, ever since freddie's passing and recently Freddie was voted number 2 after Elvis Presley as best vocalist ever(in a poll that got quite some publicity). So I can't complain. Altough every piece about Freddie starts or ends with the words: Freddie Mercury, who died from Aids in 1991... Brian and the others get little attention. Queen=Freddie Mercury attitude, you know.
Elvis is incredibly over-rated. Even his daughter would agree that Freddie is a better singer than him. If you count rockabilly only, even then, Roy Orbison is a better singer than Elvis. But I don't have the authority to judge Belgium. :)
Anyway, how certain is it that Johnny Depp will indeed play Mercury? I will see the movie IF and ONLY IF Depp plays Mercury. I'll see it even if this shit script gets drafted. I'll do it for Depp, if not for Freddie.
Anyway, how certain is it that Johnny Depp will indeed play Mercury? I will see the movie IF and ONLY IF Depp plays Mercury. I'll see it even if this shit script gets drafted. I'll do it for Depp, if not for Freddie.
No, I saw WWRY in London. During the first year. (My wife's dad lives in England, so we go out there every two years or so, which is also how I got to see QPR at Wembley Pavillion.)
I didn't hate WWRY; not at all. I just didn't love it. I think it's more curious than anything. I loved the music--it was loud and genuine.
I didn't hate WWRY; not at all. I just didn't love it. I think it's more curious than anything. I loved the music--it was loud and genuine.
I just re-read this thread and I think we are lucky that Under Pressure started this thread and that she had many thoughtful comments here from an insider's viewpoint (inside the film industry, I mean, but also of course - "insider" at Queenzone - ha).
Dusta said there was an interview with the director for this project. Does that mean they are working on this film now? If it only got two votes on the "black list" for 2007, I thought maybe that meant it wasn't considered good enough to make.
Have you thought of sending the script to Brian? Do you think he actually read this one and still had positive comments about this film being made?
Have you thought about writing one yourself or would that be considered a no-no since Michael Cunningham already has his script circulating? It would be a shame if people are so impressed by him that they would go ahead and do a really bad movie. Because if it is a big "in all theatres" type of movie - then nobody would want to tackle Freddie as a subject again possibly - or I imagine the wait would be quite long. I don't know.
Anyway, I think there are so many "little stories" about Freddie's life, that any number of stories could be told in different movies. I suppose all the possible ideas would have to be narrowed down quite a bit for any 2-hour movie.
Thanks, UP. Please keep us updated on what you hear, if it is safe to do so.
Dusta said there was an interview with the director for this project. Does that mean they are working on this film now? If it only got two votes on the "black list" for 2007, I thought maybe that meant it wasn't considered good enough to make.
Have you thought of sending the script to Brian? Do you think he actually read this one and still had positive comments about this film being made?
Have you thought about writing one yourself or would that be considered a no-no since Michael Cunningham already has his script circulating? It would be a shame if people are so impressed by him that they would go ahead and do a really bad movie. Because if it is a big "in all theatres" type of movie - then nobody would want to tackle Freddie as a subject again possibly - or I imagine the wait would be quite long. I don't know.
Anyway, I think there are so many "little stories" about Freddie's life, that any number of stories could be told in different movies. I suppose all the possible ideas would have to be narrowed down quite a bit for any 2-hour movie.
Thanks, UP. Please keep us updated on what you hear, if it is safe to do so.
I seriously doubt there has been a director "attached," as they say, to this project. It's still in its infant stages. Is there a link? And I'm sure that Brian would have a copy of the script right now, considering it's to do with DeNiro's production company.
Re-reading this thread could be harmful for your health.
Re-reading this thread could be harmful for your health.
Oh my, that surely doesn't sound like a good script as a whole. But for one if the biopic is about Freddie Mercury, then it could either concentrate on his music as the main factor (the reason we as the public know know him, his music). Or it could try to somehow create his private persona, the person he was when he was not practicing his well-known occupation of music (yes I'd like to think he had a life besides music, how strange is that). And if that private persona just happens to be of a man who was as someone put it " a raging homosexual" then so be it. For some bizarre reason I'd rather take that route when the subject of the biopic happens to be a certain Freddie Mercury. A portrayal of F.M as someone who lived for his "art" and thought about music 24/7 sounds way more "off" than a portrayal where F.M lived for sex and "goodtimes" and thought about it most of the time. That somehow sounds more human to me.
And besides, there could be much much worse ideas for an F.M biopic. Two words - Mariam Ahundova.
And besides, there could be much much worse ideas for an F.M biopic. Two words - Mariam Ahundova.
Ugh. I think some of us just want the film to be about MORE than his gayness. I wouldn't get into a movie about...Bob Dylan, if it was chiefly about him having sex and doing drugs. That has been done and done and done...
There are many more interesting facets of Freddie's life(including his colourful and talented BAND MATES, for one thing) that one could write about.
I am not opposed to Freddie's gayness being A PART of the film, just not the focus. I want to see, and, hear, about the MUSIC, about the transformation from boarding school boy to eager Brit subject to rockstar...and, about his loves.[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why would focusing on his gayness undermine his status as a great songwriter?
Is gayness some sort of force field or krytonite that repels people from focusing on songwriting talents?
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There are many more interesting facets of Freddie's life(including his colourful and talented BAND MATES, for one thing) that one could write about.
I am not opposed to Freddie's gayness being A PART of the film, just not the focus. I want to see, and, hear, about the MUSIC, about the transformation from boarding school boy to eager Brit subject to rockstar...and, about his loves.[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why would focusing on his gayness undermine his status as a great songwriter?
Is gayness some sort of force field or krytonite that repels people from focusing on songwriting talents?
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Though I may have worded it a bit differently, I agree wholeheartedly with this post. Very good points.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't see it as any different to if this was a film about Errol Flynn and 78% of the film turned out to be him shoving his love-sausage into different girls.
Redundant sex scenes are redundant sex scenes. I don't buy Queen DVDs or listen to their music because I give a shit about where Freddie was stuffing his cock.
What next? Freddie was a regular user of the toilet, 'it was who he was!', and so the film should be him taking a crap every five minutes?
A good movie is an eloquent movie. The fact that he has a big gay moustache should spell out his sexuality well enough, and the movie can get on with the business of not being so shitty.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't see it as any different to if this was a film about Errol Flynn and 78% of the film turned out to be him shoving his love-sausage into different girls.
Redundant sex scenes are redundant sex scenes. I don't buy Queen DVDs or listen to their music because I give a shit about where Freddie was stuffing his cock.
What next? Freddie was a regular user of the toilet, 'it was who he was!', and so the film should be him taking a crap every five minutes?
A good movie is an eloquent movie. The fact that he has a big gay moustache should spell out his sexuality well enough, and the movie can get on with the business of not being so shitty.
Either way, it actually doesn't bother me. The film will probably suck.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this. Freddie was gay. Clearly. It is a part of who he was. It is a part of what fueled his art, his music. Why can't we have a lovely film which is about all of those things? His music, his art, his friendships, his band...and his gay self? Freddie was an interesting character, who came from an interesting beginning, who led an interesting life. I would like to see a film which explores more than the gayness and the drugs, is all.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why is it so easy to misunderstand each other?
I know Freddie was gay. I say: him being gay was determinative (is that a word?) for his character and personality. If he had not been gay he would not have been Freddie Mercury, he would not have written Bohemian Rhapsody. I want a movie which makes that connection. I want a movie that shows us Freddie the gay song writer and musician. I don't mind sex scenes - on the contrary, I want to bring the fact home that Freddie was a gay man. However, I would not want ONLY gay scenes because then I could just as well watch a movie about my gay neighbour. And although my neighbour is a nice guy, he is not biopic material only because he is gay.
The problem with us Queen fans is that we all have created a picture of Freddie in our minds. We know all his songs, saw the documentaries, read the books, the interviews, anything. Probably we have the biggest problem to keep an open mind for a movie in which we may be shown a picture that is different from our own idea about who Freddie was.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why is it so easy to misunderstand each other?
I know Freddie was gay. I say: him being gay was determinative (is that a word?) for his character and personality. If he had not been gay he would not have been Freddie Mercury, he would not have written Bohemian Rhapsody. I want a movie which makes that connection. I want a movie that shows us Freddie the gay song writer and musician. I don't mind sex scenes - on the contrary, I want to bring the fact home that Freddie was a gay man. However, I would not want ONLY gay scenes because then I could just as well watch a movie about my gay neighbour. And although my neighbour is a nice guy, he is not biopic material only because he is gay.
The problem with us Queen fans is that we all have created a picture of Freddie in our minds. We know all his songs, saw the documentaries, read the books, the interviews, anything. Probably we have the biggest problem to keep an open mind for a movie in which we may be shown a picture that is different from our own idea about who Freddie was.
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I admit I have found Zebonka's AIDS jokes offensive, and, well...puzzling. I have actually avoided this place because of that sort of thing(which, to be fair, has not been Zebonka all by his lonesome), but, I DO agree with the point he made, here, in this thread, poop aside.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Zebonka, go ahead and justify your AIDS jokes and puns. Do it all you want. My feathers will remain ruffled, as you say.
(That's a classy way to put it, too, the feather-ruffling bit; not at all homophobic or meant to say I am in any way effeminate in my sensitivity.)
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Zebonka, go ahead and justify your AIDS jokes and puns. Do it all you want. My feathers will remain ruffled, as you say.
(That's a classy way to put it, too, the feather-ruffling bit; not at all homophobic or meant to say I am in any way effeminate in my sensitivity.)
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No, I saw WWRY in London. During the first year. (My wife's dad lives in England, so we go out there every two years or so, which is also how I got to see QPR at Wembley Pavillion.)
I didn't hate WWRY; not at all. I just didn't love it. I think it's more curious than anything. I loved the music--it was loud and genuine. [/QUOTE]
Well, thank goodness you actually have an informed opinion on this one.. !
I didn't hate WWRY; not at all. I just didn't love it. I think it's more curious than anything. I loved the music--it was loud and genuine. [/QUOTE]
Well, thank goodness you actually have an informed opinion on this one.. !
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I didn't hate WWRY; not at all. I just didn't love it. I think it's more curious than anything. I loved the music--it was loud and genuine. [/QUOTE]
I think that's the conclusion most people have about it
I think that's the conclusion most people have about it
Freddie Mercury, a Rabbi and God walk into a bar. The barman says to Freddie:
"AIDS."
"AIDS."