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Thanks for updating us Gratzi. From your photos i believe the building can be salvaged, thankfully. If a bunch of delinquent kid are responsible for the fire they must be punished to the full extent of the law. Yara made a good point about the historic preservation policy in your town. The people who manage historic buildings in your town must think they are doing the right thing by doing as little maintence work as possible too them. We have the same problems with historic sites in the USA sometimes. Or also with forrest lands. Some people think that removing dead or extremely dry trees from forrests is excessive interference with nature. Even though the dead or dry trees serve as fuel for forrest fires.
Thanks for the support and replies, guys. I wasn't expecting so many.
I guess this thing affected me so much because 1. I feel very attached to this town and 2. history and archaeology have always been a passion of mine.
Now this thing about preserving monuments is a bit tricky. Preservation is not always synonymous with leaving an object in its actual state, if that object (in our case monument) is in serious danger of being lost. - like some of the Egyptian tombs for example. I mentioned the German-saxon houses, and how deplorable their situation is at the moment. I don't understand their decision to 'preserve' them like this : doing nothing! In their case they could use a layer of plaster and start painting them because what is significant for them is the architecture. This type of restoration is suitable for this particular situation because it preserves the architecture. This way the historical centre would look clean and stilish, not like after bombardment.
In the church's case, plaster and paint are the last things that it needed. Here the preservation can be done thru a discreet, yet strong consolidation, like it's normally done when it comes to this type of monuments. This on the other hand doesn't look like after an air raid, but it gives the place a sort of medieval, mystical atmosphere.
I don't know how their planning to deal with the situation. They'll be probably rebuild the tower's roof, and the rest of the roof that has been damaged. Both original bells have been lost for good ;_;. I'm not sure what happened to the interior. Hope the organ survived. :S
Now the town is in the middle of the electoral campaign for a new mayor, and both candidates in the second round decided to donate their campaign money to the church. I guess the current mayor is losing ground because of the latest events. What people do not know is that the church is of the county council's competence.
I guess this thing affected me so much because 1. I feel very attached to this town and 2. history and archaeology have always been a passion of mine.
Now this thing about preserving monuments is a bit tricky. Preservation is not always synonymous with leaving an object in its actual state, if that object (in our case monument) is in serious danger of being lost. - like some of the Egyptian tombs for example. I mentioned the German-saxon houses, and how deplorable their situation is at the moment. I don't understand their decision to 'preserve' them like this : doing nothing! In their case they could use a layer of plaster and start painting them because what is significant for them is the architecture. This type of restoration is suitable for this particular situation because it preserves the architecture. This way the historical centre would look clean and stilish, not like after bombardment.
In the church's case, plaster and paint are the last things that it needed. Here the preservation can be done thru a discreet, yet strong consolidation, like it's normally done when it comes to this type of monuments. This on the other hand doesn't look like after an air raid, but it gives the place a sort of medieval, mystical atmosphere.
I don't know how their planning to deal with the situation. They'll be probably rebuild the tower's roof, and the rest of the roof that has been damaged. Both original bells have been lost for good ;_;. I'm not sure what happened to the interior. Hope the organ survived. :S
Now the town is in the middle of the electoral campaign for a new mayor, and both candidates in the second round decided to donate their campaign money to the church. I guess the current mayor is losing ground because of the latest events. What people do not know is that the church is of the county council's competence.
No offence dude, but I don't see why you're upset about the church burning. Maybe it's because I'm atheist, I'm not sure.
Sure it's history, but think of it more optimistically. At least nobody was hurt.
Although if my church (I say church, I mean Newcastle United's football stadium) burnt down, I'd probably be in tears.
Sure it's history, but think of it more optimistically. At least nobody was hurt.
Although if my church (I say church, I mean Newcastle United's football stadium) burnt down, I'd probably be in tears.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A church burning? i cry tears of happyness :) FUCK THE CHURCH!!!![/QUOTE] Your opinions on music and politics reek of generally harmless ignorance, but with a comment like this you should just join a vehement anti-religious cult, honestly. But please, go play on the highway first. [/QUOTE] you are just waaaay too stupid to grasp the things i say about music and politics, you are a dumb sheep who cant use your mind, simply a stupid person.[/QUOTE] I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told.
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A church burning? i cry tears of happyness :) FUCK THE CHURCH!!!![/QUOTE] Your opinions on music and politics reek of generally harmless ignorance, but with a comment like this you should just join a vehement anti-religious cult, honestly. But please, go play on the highway first. [/QUOTE] you are just waaaay too stupid to grasp the things i say about music and politics, you are a dumb sheep who cant use your mind, simply a stupid person.[/QUOTE] I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A church burning? i cry tears of happyness :) FUCK THE CHURCH!!!![/QUOTE] Your opinions on music and politics reek of generally harmless ignorance, but with a comment like this you should just join a vehement anti-religious cult, honestly. But please, go play on the highway first. [/QUOTE] you are just waaaay too stupid to grasp the things i say about music and politics, you are a dumb sheep who cant use your mind, simply a stupid person.[/QUOTE] I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told. [/QUOTE] yes! what do you think a church is? a good place? its an EVIL place used for brainwashing the stupid people and limiting them in a retarded way of life and thinking.
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A church burning? i cry tears of happyness :) FUCK THE CHURCH!!!![/QUOTE] Your opinions on music and politics reek of generally harmless ignorance, but with a comment like this you should just join a vehement anti-religious cult, honestly. But please, go play on the highway first. [/QUOTE] you are just waaaay too stupid to grasp the things i say about music and politics, you are a dumb sheep who cant use your mind, simply a stupid person.[/QUOTE] I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told. [/QUOTE] yes! what do you think a church is? a good place? its an EVIL place used for brainwashing the stupid people and limiting them in a retarded way of life and thinking.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A church burning? i cry tears of happyness :) FUCK THE CHURCH!!!![/QUOTE] Your opinions on music and politics reek of generally harmless ignorance, but with a comment like this you should just join a vehement anti-religious cult, honestly. But please, go play on the highway first. [/QUOTE] you are just waaaay too stupid to grasp the things i say about music and politics, you are a dumb sheep who cant use your mind, simply a stupid person.[/QUOTE] I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told. [/QUOTE] yes! what do you think a church is? a good place? its an EVIL place used for brainwashing the stupid people and limiting them in a retarded way of life and thinking.[/QUOTE] SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE ORIGNAL POSTER It's not the fact that’s its a church it was the fact that it's an irreplaceable 14th century monument, you can't get history back. You might not like churches but there are loads of things it stood for IN THE PAST, there is probably a thousand stories the locals could tell you about it. It was something there town has been proud of. You really need to start respecting other people opinions.
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH
wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A church burning? i cry tears of happyness :) FUCK THE CHURCH!!!![/QUOTE] Your opinions on music and politics reek of generally harmless ignorance, but with a comment like this you should just join a vehement anti-religious cult, honestly. But please, go play on the highway first. [/QUOTE] you are just waaaay too stupid to grasp the things i say about music and politics, you are a dumb sheep who cant use your mind, simply a stupid person.[/QUOTE] I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told. [/QUOTE] yes! what do you think a church is? a good place? its an EVIL place used for brainwashing the stupid people and limiting them in a retarded way of life and thinking.[/QUOTE] SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE ORIGNAL POSTER It's not the fact that’s its a church it was the fact that it's an irreplaceable 14th century monument, you can't get history back. You might not like churches but there are loads of things it stood for IN THE PAST, there is probably a thousand stories the locals could tell you about it. It was something there town has been proud of. You really need to start respecting other people opinions.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH
wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told. [/QUOTE] yes! what do you think a church is? a good place? its an EVIL place used for brainwashing the stupid people and limiting them in a retarded way of life and thinking.[/QUOTE] As much as I oppose much of what Christianity stands for, one cannot deny how charitable and justice-oriented these people can be. Certain branches of the faith have contributed immeasurable amounts of money and help for third-world countries, as well as in their own communities. There's much more to religion than the stories and systems of belief themselves. But of course, you who have probably never attended a church service nor spent time getting to know religious folk know better, as always. Atheism is just as "stupid" (to use your language) as monotheism or polytheism. All require an unproven belief in a particular idea of how unseen things in the world work.
wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told. [/QUOTE] yes! what do you think a church is? a good place? its an EVIL place used for brainwashing the stupid people and limiting them in a retarded way of life and thinking.[/QUOTE] As much as I oppose much of what Christianity stands for, one cannot deny how charitable and justice-oriented these people can be. Certain branches of the faith have contributed immeasurable amounts of money and help for third-world countries, as well as in their own communities. There's much more to religion than the stories and systems of belief themselves. But of course, you who have probably never attended a church service nor spent time getting to know religious folk know better, as always. Atheism is just as "stupid" (to use your language) as monotheism or polytheism. All require an unproven belief in a particular idea of how unseen things in the world work.
Surprises me to see that they have been able to save some of the church. There is still space to rebuild it, isn't there?
Space there is, money - I'm not so sure. I think those in charge should resort to the community for this one. After all, half the town was gathered around the church only to see their symbol burning like that.
And I was right about the mayor. The people have been blaming him, and at yesterday's elections the social democrat candidate won. Noooooooooooo! ;_;
And I was right about the mayor. The people have been blaming him, and at yesterday's elections the social democrat candidate won. Noooooooooooo! ;_;
I'm sure that the community would chip in to help re-build it.
Are they going to re-build it again?
Are they going to re-build it again?
Guess what? The police found out who did it: 3 street children who were literally playing with fire near the wooden scaffoldings that were surrounding the tower. X__X What is there more to say........... Unbelievable.
What's wrong with being a social democrat. ;-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Gratzi wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Guess what? The police found out who did it: 3 street children who were literally playing with fire near the wooden scaffoldings that were surrounding the tower. X__X What is there more to say........... Unbelievable.[/QUOTE] Thanks for updating us Gratzi. Unfortunately for young delinquents to play with fire is not uncommon. A teenage boy set a fire in a supermarket recently in my area. It was put out before in anyone was injured or serious damage done.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH
wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told. [/QUOTE] yes! what do you think a church is? a good place? its an EVIL place used for brainwashing the stupid people and limiting them in a retarded way of life and thinking.[/QUOTE] As much as I oppose much of what Christianity stands for, one cannot deny how charitable and justice-oriented these people can be. Certain branches of the faith have contributed immeasurable amounts of money and help for third-world countries, as well as in their own communities. There's much more to religion than the stories and systems of belief themselves. But of course, you who have probably never attended a church service nor spent time getting to know religious folk know better, as always. Atheism is just as "stupid" (to use your language) as monotheism or polytheism. All require an unproven belief in a particular idea of how unseen things in the world work. [/QUOTE] they arent that "friendly" as you think when they help people, they do it ONLY because they want to brainwash and get new members to their insane religion.
wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm a stupid sheep because I don't condone the burning of churches. Wow, I've been told. [/QUOTE] yes! what do you think a church is? a good place? its an EVIL place used for brainwashing the stupid people and limiting them in a retarded way of life and thinking.[/QUOTE] As much as I oppose much of what Christianity stands for, one cannot deny how charitable and justice-oriented these people can be. Certain branches of the faith have contributed immeasurable amounts of money and help for third-world countries, as well as in their own communities. There's much more to religion than the stories and systems of belief themselves. But of course, you who have probably never attended a church service nor spent time getting to know religious folk know better, as always. Atheism is just as "stupid" (to use your language) as monotheism or polytheism. All require an unproven belief in a particular idea of how unseen things in the world work. [/QUOTE] they arent that "friendly" as you think when they help people, they do it ONLY because they want to brainwash and get new members to their insane religion.