[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Also: Anyone pick up the Miranda flub in All Right Now? Just before the second verse, he went into the bass break.
Maybe they were thinking of abbreviating that song as well? [/QUOTE]
Quite a few of us noticed it.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't have any hard feelings about you either, I'm just saying what the situation is.
Why don't we take this topic as an example of discussion here at QZ. There are a few "QPR sucks" and a few dozen "QPR is great" messages.
The dissenting opinions haven't stopped the discussion at all. What's stopped it is that 90% of the people don't seem to be able to write more than 10 word replies, or to elaborate on their views at all.[/QUOTE]
I have to say i kind of agree with you on that one, that is probably the reason way the same arguments keep turning up everywhere these last few years.
But everyone has the right to post whatever they like as long as it is respectful and not racist, homophobic etc of course. I guess this is just something we have to learn to deal with on these meaasge boards.:)
Ive read your remarks about the Hyde Park gig on another place and now know that you generally give good motivations to your opinions and that you really look up on things before making up your mind.
I think it is very nice that we can have this discussion in a civilized manner like we are now:)
Sincerely all the best!
Why don't we take this topic as an example of discussion here at QZ. There are a few "QPR sucks" and a few dozen "QPR is great" messages.
The dissenting opinions haven't stopped the discussion at all. What's stopped it is that 90% of the people don't seem to be able to write more than 10 word replies, or to elaborate on their views at all.[/QUOTE]
I have to say i kind of agree with you on that one, that is probably the reason way the same arguments keep turning up everywhere these last few years.
But everyone has the right to post whatever they like as long as it is respectful and not racist, homophobic etc of course. I guess this is just something we have to learn to deal with on these meaasge boards.:)
Ive read your remarks about the Hyde Park gig on another place and now know that you generally give good motivations to your opinions and that you really look up on things before making up your mind.
I think it is very nice that we can have this discussion in a civilized manner like we are now:)
Sincerely all the best!
Brian & Roger are fab musicians - no question
Paul is a great blues singer - no question
The styles don't match up that well quite often and it's a damn shame, his habit of singing almost off time is annoying to me.
What i'll say to the QPR are great people who seem to think the 'haters' are a minority is have you seen the poll result on the home page? Speaks volumes.
Paul is a great blues singer - no question
The styles don't match up that well quite often and it's a damn shame, his habit of singing almost off time is annoying to me.
What i'll say to the QPR are great people who seem to think the 'haters' are a minority is have you seen the poll result on the home page? Speaks volumes.
The best to you as well, and for the band as well, as long as that good future demonstrates the creativity and talent of all the people involved.
The weird thing about One Vision was to hear Freddie's voice in the intro, very much like in the chorus of WWRY on the 2005 tour which came from tape, too. Also - why does Spike Edney act like he is playing keyboards to TSMGO when it obviously comes from tape (and why from tape??)? When he acts he should at least act in sync.
I liked the performance but I agree with everybody who says that it's getting boring to hear the same old 3 songs all the time on such events.
I liked the performance but I agree with everybody who says that it's getting boring to hear the same old 3 songs all the time on such events.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]TheAmazingEvent wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What i'll say to the QPR are great people who seem to think the 'haters' are a minority is have you seen the poll result on the home page? Speaks volumes. [/QUOTE]
No it doesnt speak volumes. Why? Because unfortunately it is (or was - maybe Richard has sorted that problem out now) very easily rigged. I for one have voted several times on it (I dont bother with these things nowadays).
No it doesnt speak volumes. Why? Because unfortunately it is (or was - maybe Richard has sorted that problem out now) very easily rigged. I for one have voted several times on it (I dont bother with these things nowadays).
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ken8 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Not so junior. How old do you think the teleprompter system is?[/QUOTE]
Don't junior me, grand-dad![/QUOTE]
You whippersnapper!
Not so junior. How old do you think the teleprompter system is?[/QUOTE]
Don't junior me, grand-dad![/QUOTE]
You whippersnapper!
To hear 2 or 3 old songs over and over again on such big events can maybe get boring indeed for us as Queenfans, but as long the audience is getting wild and thrilled then they will do it. It probably seems to work everytime.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Harry_queenbootlegs wrote: [/QUOTENAME]To hear 2 or 3 old songs over and over again on such big events can maybe get boring indeed for us as Queenfans, but as long the audience is getting wild and thrilled then they will do it. It probably seems to work everytime.[/QUOTE]
And there's the conundrum of the whole argument for QPR lovers and people who are accused of being QPR haters. The lovers talk about what an awesome performance it was, if it was the same performance I watched, I didn't see a whole lot of wild and thrilled fans. They seemed pretty subdued, and though it's hard to get a read on the energy level while watching a concert on TV, it seemed very run-of-the-mill to me. Must make me a hater.
And there's the conundrum of the whole argument for QPR lovers and people who are accused of being QPR haters. The lovers talk about what an awesome performance it was, if it was the same performance I watched, I didn't see a whole lot of wild and thrilled fans. They seemed pretty subdued, and though it's hard to get a read on the energy level while watching a concert on TV, it seemed very run-of-the-mill to me. Must make me a hater.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Harry_queenbootlegs wrote: [/QUOTENAME]To hear 2 or 3 old songs over and over again on such big events can maybe get boring indeed for us as Queenfans, but as long the audience is getting wild and thrilled then they will do it. It probably seems to work everytime.[/QUOTE]
The fact is they will always always always play WWRY, WATC and probably Allright now and TSMGO at these sorts of things for a number of sensible reasons.
The first three of those are, Bo Rap aside, Queen's best known tracks and Paul's best known track, and at such an event with a short set and an audience who arent necessarily the sort of Queen fans we all are bands know that to go down well they have to cater to that audience and play the best known stuff that they are expected to. The show would bomb if they had played White Queen, Football Fight and Machines, as delighted/curious/shocked as the rest of us may have been as to how those sounded!
TSMGO gets a look in everytime because its been made clear it's Paul's favourite Queen track, and he probably feels he can give a more impressive performance on something he's really into, and the guys are probably still excited to be able to play it live, as opposed to Now Im Here or something else they ran through a million times with Freddie.
I think One Vision was an attempt to play something no one was expecting, but which was ideal for the occasion, and fair play to them - now they've just got to learn to play it right.
Finally, just to repsond to Tero's comments above, respectfully, I have to disagree about how much the guys are/should change Queen tracks to suit Paul. Its a matter of opinion whether the two styles mix well, and my feeling is that they do, and produce an interesting result already.
Furthermore, I dont think that Queen need to change their songs very much at all in style to suit Paul: Paul's songs are essentially the same, just with a "Queen" sound to them, just as the Queen tracks are essentially the same just with a "Paul Rodgers" sound to them.
Changing the style of a song is an incredibly difficult thing to do if you're talking about major changes, and I disagree they are just going through the motions and playing everything exactly as they used to anyway:
The addition of a second guitar and more backing vocals have altered the sound of some tracks particularly if you ask me, and on things like WATC frees Brian up to play the lead bits similarly to the record whilst maintaining the thicker sound - to me this sounds very different from the Freddie era, and unlike any version of the song, studio recorded or otherwise. Those BV's also create a new feel which is difficult to describe.
I dont just accept these things because its Queen, and Im by no means a "stepford", I just happen to like it!
The fact is they will always always always play WWRY, WATC and probably Allright now and TSMGO at these sorts of things for a number of sensible reasons.
The first three of those are, Bo Rap aside, Queen's best known tracks and Paul's best known track, and at such an event with a short set and an audience who arent necessarily the sort of Queen fans we all are bands know that to go down well they have to cater to that audience and play the best known stuff that they are expected to. The show would bomb if they had played White Queen, Football Fight and Machines, as delighted/curious/shocked as the rest of us may have been as to how those sounded!
TSMGO gets a look in everytime because its been made clear it's Paul's favourite Queen track, and he probably feels he can give a more impressive performance on something he's really into, and the guys are probably still excited to be able to play it live, as opposed to Now Im Here or something else they ran through a million times with Freddie.
I think One Vision was an attempt to play something no one was expecting, but which was ideal for the occasion, and fair play to them - now they've just got to learn to play it right.
Finally, just to repsond to Tero's comments above, respectfully, I have to disagree about how much the guys are/should change Queen tracks to suit Paul. Its a matter of opinion whether the two styles mix well, and my feeling is that they do, and produce an interesting result already.
Furthermore, I dont think that Queen need to change their songs very much at all in style to suit Paul: Paul's songs are essentially the same, just with a "Queen" sound to them, just as the Queen tracks are essentially the same just with a "Paul Rodgers" sound to them.
Changing the style of a song is an incredibly difficult thing to do if you're talking about major changes, and I disagree they are just going through the motions and playing everything exactly as they used to anyway:
The addition of a second guitar and more backing vocals have altered the sound of some tracks particularly if you ask me, and on things like WATC frees Brian up to play the lead bits similarly to the record whilst maintaining the thicker sound - to me this sounds very different from the Freddie era, and unlike any version of the song, studio recorded or otherwise. Those BV's also create a new feel which is difficult to describe.
I dont just accept these things because its Queen, and Im by no means a "stepford", I just happen to like it!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Cwazy little thing wrote: [/QUOTENAME] The fact is they will always always always play WWRY, WATC and probably Allright now and TSMGO at these sorts of things for a number of sensible reasons.
The first three of those are, Bo Rap aside, Queen's best known tracks and Paul's best known track, and at such an event with a short set and an audience who arent necessarily the sort of Queen fans we all are bands know that to go down well they have to cater to that audience and play the best known stuff that they are expected to. The show would bomb if they had played White Queen, Football Fight and Machines, as delighted/curious/shocked as the rest of us may have been as to how those sounded!
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Sorry but now I have to disagree respectfully :) Playing these same 3 songs again and again and again makes them look like these poor one-hit wonders who play the same song their whole life because otherwise nobody would know who is on the stage. This is not the case for Brian, Roger or Paul Rodgers, they are big stars and really do not need to cater to an uneducated audience. Just look at Brian's appearance in the Wembley Arena with McFly in 2006: it was a teenaged audience and the reception was exceptional. I think Brian had not heard so much screaming since Japan in the 70s.
Or look at Tromsoe 2005, another 46664 concert. Brian played with Jivan Gasparyan and with Zucchero, the audience was thrilled although he did not perform any Queen stuff at all. He is Brian May, for heaven's sake. They are big stars and excellent musicians, they should do something more artistically challenging. The crowds are not that stupid, they would certainly appreciate it.
The first three of those are, Bo Rap aside, Queen's best known tracks and Paul's best known track, and at such an event with a short set and an audience who arent necessarily the sort of Queen fans we all are bands know that to go down well they have to cater to that audience and play the best known stuff that they are expected to. The show would bomb if they had played White Queen, Football Fight and Machines, as delighted/curious/shocked as the rest of us may have been as to how those sounded!
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Sorry but now I have to disagree respectfully :) Playing these same 3 songs again and again and again makes them look like these poor one-hit wonders who play the same song their whole life because otherwise nobody would know who is on the stage. This is not the case for Brian, Roger or Paul Rodgers, they are big stars and really do not need to cater to an uneducated audience. Just look at Brian's appearance in the Wembley Arena with McFly in 2006: it was a teenaged audience and the reception was exceptional. I think Brian had not heard so much screaming since Japan in the 70s.
Or look at Tromsoe 2005, another 46664 concert. Brian played with Jivan Gasparyan and with Zucchero, the audience was thrilled although he did not perform any Queen stuff at all. He is Brian May, for heaven's sake. They are big stars and excellent musicians, they should do something more artistically challenging. The crowds are not that stupid, they would certainly appreciate it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Cwazy little thing wrote: [/QUOTENAME] The fact is they will always always always play WWRY, WATC and probably Allright now and TSMGO at these sorts of things for a number of sensible reasons.
The first three of those are, Bo Rap aside, Queen's best known tracks and Paul's best known track, and at such an event with a short set and an audience who arent necessarily the sort of Queen fans we all are bands know that to go down well they have to cater to that audience and play the best known stuff that they are expected to. The show would bomb if they had played White Queen, Football Fight and Machines, as delighted/curious/shocked as the rest of us may have been as to how those sounded!
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Sorry but now I have to disagree respectfully :) Playing these same 3 songs again and again and again makes them look like these poor one-hit wonders who play the same song their whole life because otherwise nobody would know who is on the stage. This is not the case for Brian, Roger or Paul Rodgers, they are big stars and really do not need to cater to an uneducated audience. Just look at Brian's appearance in the Wembley Arena with McFly in 2006: it was a teenaged audience and the reception was exceptional. I think Brian had not heard so much screaming since Japan in the 70s.
Or look at Tromsoe 2005, another 46664 concert. Brian played with Jivan Gasparyan and with Zucchero, the audience was thrilled although he did not perform any Queen stuff at all. He is Brian May, for heaven's sake. They are big stars and excellent musicians, they should do something more artistically challenging. The crowds are not that stupid, they would certainly appreciate it.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I absolutely agree that its more interesting when something like the Tromsoe appearance from Brian happens, and Im not saying that a lot of people dont know the most of the tracks on Greatest Hits 1 and 2, cos they do - this is Queen after all. The Mcfly thing is down to the fact that DSMN is still big with younger people today and those people are aware its a Queen track, so it was a big deal for Brian to appear with Mcfly to do that. Do you honestly think the Tromsoe crowd wouldnt have gone even wilder though for a Queen set?
What Im really getting at is that your average person at one of these events who may not have ever seen Queen before is likely to feel a bit short changed if during a 20 min set they didnt get the WWRY and WATC experience. Even as a serious fan, if I hadnt seen them at Manchester in 2005, Id be slightly disappointed not to get both of those if Id been there the other night.
As it was, Id have been delighted to see Dragon Attack, White Queen (which Id love them to play this tour instead of Magic or IWTBF) and Fire and Water or suchlike - but Ive seen them before and realistically you know what to expect from short sets - a greatest hits compliation: the crowd just wants to go wild for the big numbers, do that hand clapping and the swaying etc. Marvelling at the Brian's clever use of delays and sweet tone during the wonderful solo in White Queen (you know, like when they played it in the 70's) is for a proper, full length Queen show. :)
Hope you're having a nice evening.
The first three of those are, Bo Rap aside, Queen's best known tracks and Paul's best known track, and at such an event with a short set and an audience who arent necessarily the sort of Queen fans we all are bands know that to go down well they have to cater to that audience and play the best known stuff that they are expected to. The show would bomb if they had played White Queen, Football Fight and Machines, as delighted/curious/shocked as the rest of us may have been as to how those sounded!
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Sorry but now I have to disagree respectfully :) Playing these same 3 songs again and again and again makes them look like these poor one-hit wonders who play the same song their whole life because otherwise nobody would know who is on the stage. This is not the case for Brian, Roger or Paul Rodgers, they are big stars and really do not need to cater to an uneducated audience. Just look at Brian's appearance in the Wembley Arena with McFly in 2006: it was a teenaged audience and the reception was exceptional. I think Brian had not heard so much screaming since Japan in the 70s.
Or look at Tromsoe 2005, another 46664 concert. Brian played with Jivan Gasparyan and with Zucchero, the audience was thrilled although he did not perform any Queen stuff at all. He is Brian May, for heaven's sake. They are big stars and excellent musicians, they should do something more artistically challenging. The crowds are not that stupid, they would certainly appreciate it.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I absolutely agree that its more interesting when something like the Tromsoe appearance from Brian happens, and Im not saying that a lot of people dont know the most of the tracks on Greatest Hits 1 and 2, cos they do - this is Queen after all. The Mcfly thing is down to the fact that DSMN is still big with younger people today and those people are aware its a Queen track, so it was a big deal for Brian to appear with Mcfly to do that. Do you honestly think the Tromsoe crowd wouldnt have gone even wilder though for a Queen set?
What Im really getting at is that your average person at one of these events who may not have ever seen Queen before is likely to feel a bit short changed if during a 20 min set they didnt get the WWRY and WATC experience. Even as a serious fan, if I hadnt seen them at Manchester in 2005, Id be slightly disappointed not to get both of those if Id been there the other night.
As it was, Id have been delighted to see Dragon Attack, White Queen (which Id love them to play this tour instead of Magic or IWTBF) and Fire and Water or suchlike - but Ive seen them before and realistically you know what to expect from short sets - a greatest hits compliation: the crowd just wants to go wild for the big numbers, do that hand clapping and the swaying etc. Marvelling at the Brian's clever use of delays and sweet tone during the wonderful solo in White Queen (you know, like when they played it in the 70's) is for a proper, full length Queen show. :)
Hope you're having a nice evening.
I don't know how the Tromsoe audience would have responded to Queen material. They responded well to Brian's contribution, it was a magical night and one of my all time favourite Brian moments. It was appropriate and I don't see that so much in last week's Wembley performance. One Vision was a great choice but TYMD??? I mean it was Nelson Mandela's 90th birthday and an AIDS charity event, songs like TYMD and WWRY just do not quite fit, it has something compulsive to play them again and again no matter in which context.
I understand the crowd pleasing aspect and maybe they were a bit discouraged by the not so great reception of 46664 material like "The Call" but they have so much more to offer. In a normal concert it does not matter if they play the WWRY/WATC routine, you have 20 more songs so it's not a problem. It won't bother me a bit on the upcoming tour.
I understand the crowd pleasing aspect and maybe they were a bit discouraged by the not so great reception of 46664 material like "The Call" but they have so much more to offer. In a normal concert it does not matter if they play the WWRY/WATC routine, you have 20 more songs so it's not a problem. It won't bother me a bit on the upcoming tour.
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"Marvelling at the Brian's clever use of delays and sweet tone during the wonderful solo in White Queen (you know, like when they played it in the 70's) is for a proper, full length Queen show."
Except on the last tour the set list was pretty similar to the previous two tours. Queen plays first and foremost to their singles fans. People always say, "if they played White Queen, Long Away, She Makes Me, etc.", no one would react. Great! If they're artists, do something artistic! Brian played a snippet of Long Away last tour. I think he, of all people, has no idea how much some of those old gems mean to people. He'll play Last horizon, which has no emotional connnection to most Queen fans because he likes it, but can't pull anything that we've heard a million times to put in a nugget each show. No one is asking for a set of totally obscure, never before played songs, just a bone thrown their way once in a while.
Except on the last tour the set list was pretty similar to the previous two tours. Queen plays first and foremost to their singles fans. People always say, "if they played White Queen, Long Away, She Makes Me, etc.", no one would react. Great! If they're artists, do something artistic! Brian played a snippet of Long Away last tour. I think he, of all people, has no idea how much some of those old gems mean to people. He'll play Last horizon, which has no emotional connnection to most Queen fans because he likes it, but can't pull anything that we've heard a million times to put in a nugget each show. No one is asking for a set of totally obscure, never before played songs, just a bone thrown their way once in a while.