Anyone remember this http://youtube.com/watch?v=gI1b9z-diq8 or the Brixton gig?
And boy, did the rest of the 2005 tour kick ass.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME]How can it be a cover when they play songs they wrote themselves?[/QUOTE]
Here's some of my thoughts on that same question from another message board where the subject of QPR came up:
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME]While this is factually true, the bands can in practical terms turn into a pale imitation of their past, which is very much like what a cover band would be.
If the general audience identifies the band with a certain member's contribution, and that certain member leaves the group, the band has two choices to continue their career:
a) bring in a new member as a replacement, keep as much of the old material as possible to draw in the old fans, and in essence (though not in the actual definition) turn into a cover band trying to re-capture as much of the past as possible. Or
b) bring in a new member, create new music with him, work out a setlist where his preferences (instead of the departed member's) are highlighted, and continue on as a new incarnation of the same band.[/QUOTE]
SO FAR Queen have been a type a) band, and played it very safe. In a few months time we (or actually you) will see them incorporating two new songs into the setlist, and still playing it very safe by performing another fifteen Greatest Hits songs. Sad but true.
Here's some of my thoughts on that same question from another message board where the subject of QPR came up:
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME]While this is factually true, the bands can in practical terms turn into a pale imitation of their past, which is very much like what a cover band would be.
If the general audience identifies the band with a certain member's contribution, and that certain member leaves the group, the band has two choices to continue their career:
a) bring in a new member as a replacement, keep as much of the old material as possible to draw in the old fans, and in essence (though not in the actual definition) turn into a cover band trying to re-capture as much of the past as possible. Or
b) bring in a new member, create new music with him, work out a setlist where his preferences (instead of the departed member's) are highlighted, and continue on as a new incarnation of the same band.[/QUOTE]
SO FAR Queen have been a type a) band, and played it very safe. In a few months time we (or actually you) will see them incorporating two new songs into the setlist, and still playing it very safe by performing another fifteen Greatest Hits songs. Sad but true.
On that note, the new record is due for release in a couple months. Let's just wait and see...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Al TurHao wrote:
I think Brian was uninspired. Really. Too much bendings means you're out of criativity in the moment.
Thats the most ridiculous statement I have read all day! Having control over the guitar & bending strings to emphasize the note(s) you want to play is just one facet of what goes into conveying your emotion in what your playing. Would you perfer that Brian just shred scales up and down the fretboard? That would be some creative playing huh? Brian can squeeze more emotion, attitude & feeling out of one bent note than any guitarist can get w/ a flurry of 32nd notes. If you really are a drummer then stick to drumming topics. You don't know jack about guitar playing.
I think Brian was uninspired. Really. Too much bendings means you're out of criativity in the moment.
Thats the most ridiculous statement I have read all day! Having control over the guitar & bending strings to emphasize the note(s) you want to play is just one facet of what goes into conveying your emotion in what your playing. Would you perfer that Brian just shred scales up and down the fretboard? That would be some creative playing huh? Brian can squeeze more emotion, attitude & feeling out of one bent note than any guitarist can get w/ a flurry of 32nd notes. If you really are a drummer then stick to drumming topics. You don't know jack about guitar playing.
Agree. Ive never heard anyone mention that bending is a sign of uninspiration and Ive been a guitarist for 15 years.
QPR are definitely not trying to recreate the past, then they would have gone on tour with Gary Mullin or somebody. Paul Rodgers is at least image-wise and vocally the opposite of what Freddie was. And they are releasing a new album, they wouldnt do that if they just wanted to recreate the past.
Still they are going on tour why should they not play songs that they wrote themselves like TYMD, WWRY, Radio Gaga, Fat Bottomed Girls, Hammer to Fall, I want it all, These are the days of our lives and The show must go on?
Sure they play some Freddie songs, but actually not that many, and people kind of expect those songs. Still Brian and Roger were a big part to how these sounded in the end and I dont think Freddie would have had any objections.
Frankly I think that most people associate Queen with at least Brian May aswell and no matter what his guitarplaying is as much unique and as important to the Queen-sound as Freddies voice. And Brian and Roger were definitely very important for Queen.
People know that Freddie is dead, so they know what theyre getting. This isnt the first time Brian and Roger do the Queen+ thing, but it surely is the best.
Brian and Roger are great musicians that have made great music on their own and to compare them with something like ELO 2 is ridiculous.
If John had been on this tour I would not have any problem with them using the Queen-name. But chances are big he wouldnt have been a part of it even if Freddie would have been alive and they would have toured.
I thought a lot of the Queen+-projects from the past were embarrasing but there were no big discussions then and now they are doing a great and forward-moving thing with Queen-legacy some people suddenly hate them.
QPR are definitely not trying to recreate the past, then they would have gone on tour with Gary Mullin or somebody. Paul Rodgers is at least image-wise and vocally the opposite of what Freddie was. And they are releasing a new album, they wouldnt do that if they just wanted to recreate the past.
Still they are going on tour why should they not play songs that they wrote themselves like TYMD, WWRY, Radio Gaga, Fat Bottomed Girls, Hammer to Fall, I want it all, These are the days of our lives and The show must go on?
Sure they play some Freddie songs, but actually not that many, and people kind of expect those songs. Still Brian and Roger were a big part to how these sounded in the end and I dont think Freddie would have had any objections.
Frankly I think that most people associate Queen with at least Brian May aswell and no matter what his guitarplaying is as much unique and as important to the Queen-sound as Freddies voice. And Brian and Roger were definitely very important for Queen.
People know that Freddie is dead, so they know what theyre getting. This isnt the first time Brian and Roger do the Queen+ thing, but it surely is the best.
Brian and Roger are great musicians that have made great music on their own and to compare them with something like ELO 2 is ridiculous.
If John had been on this tour I would not have any problem with them using the Queen-name. But chances are big he wouldnt have been a part of it even if Freddie would have been alive and they would have toured.
I thought a lot of the Queen+-projects from the past were embarrasing but there were no big discussions then and now they are doing a great and forward-moving thing with Queen-legacy some people suddenly hate them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH wrote: [/QUOTENAME]On that note, the new record is due for release in a couple months. Let's just wait and see...
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Will you agree with me if in addition to the 15 greatest hits songs (like the half-tapep Bo Rap) they only play the expected three songs from the new album? :P
Seriously, quite a few people expected them to play some interesting songs the last time around, and drop some of the pop hits... That wish didn't materialise either.
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Will you agree with me if in addition to the 15 greatest hits songs (like the half-tapep Bo Rap) they only play the expected three songs from the new album? :P
Seriously, quite a few people expected them to play some interesting songs the last time around, and drop some of the pop hits... That wish didn't materialise either.
Well just see what happens.:)
There are some songs in their backcatalougue I think it would be great if they played though. Headlong, White Man, Stone Cold Crazy, ´39, Sail away sweet sister and TMLWKY could all be great.
I seriously think Hangman would sound great aswell, but theyre not going to do it.
There are a lot of Paul Rodgers-songs I think would be great also. The Stealer for example.
But TYMD, WWRY, WATC, Radio Gaga, CGEOYL and All Right Now they will play no matter what i guess.
And I hope they keep TATDOOL, LOML and Fat Bottomed Girls as these sounded great.
There are some songs in their backcatalougue I think it would be great if they played though. Headlong, White Man, Stone Cold Crazy, ´39, Sail away sweet sister and TMLWKY could all be great.
I seriously think Hangman would sound great aswell, but theyre not going to do it.
There are a lot of Paul Rodgers-songs I think would be great also. The Stealer for example.
But TYMD, WWRY, WATC, Radio Gaga, CGEOYL and All Right Now they will play no matter what i guess.
And I hope they keep TATDOOL, LOML and Fat Bottomed Girls as these sounded great.
Hey MercuryArts, I just said "too many bendings".
I too prefer bendings over 32 note scales any day (that's why I prefer Guilmour to Satriani any given day) and think that bending a note is a straight-to-the-heart part during any good solo.
But if you're familiar with Brian's guitar over the years (also believe that he's a guitar God), comparing his performance of this concert to others, one must see that he was a little uninspired. Notice that I didn't say he played badly.. just inspired.
As for my musical knowledge, drum-wise, guitar-wise and other-wise, don't talk of what you don't know... ;)
Respectfully... Cheers man.
I too prefer bendings over 32 note scales any day (that's why I prefer Guilmour to Satriani any given day) and think that bending a note is a straight-to-the-heart part during any good solo.
But if you're familiar with Brian's guitar over the years (also believe that he's a guitar God), comparing his performance of this concert to others, one must see that he was a little uninspired. Notice that I didn't say he played badly.. just inspired.
As for my musical knowledge, drum-wise, guitar-wise and other-wise, don't talk of what you don't know... ;)
Respectfully... Cheers man.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Al TurHao wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But if you're familiar with Brian's guitar over the years (also believe that he's a guitar God), comparing his performance of this concert to others, one must see that he was a little uninspired.[/QUOTE]
A little uninspired?
The man has been playing the same guitar solo every night for almost 40 years now, and he's only now become uninspired?
A little uninspired?
The man has been playing the same guitar solo every night for almost 40 years now, and he's only now become uninspired?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Al TurHao wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Hey MercuryArts, I just said "too many bendings".
I too prefer bendings over 32 note scales any day (that's why I prefer Guilmour to Satriani any given day) and think that bending a note is a straight-to-the-heart part during any good solo.
But if you're familiar with Brian's guitar over the years (also believe that he's a guitar God), comparing his performance of this concert to others, one must see that he was a little uninspired. Notice that I didn't say he played badly.. just inspired.
As for my musical knowledge, drum-wise, guitar-wise and other-wise, don't talk of what you don't know... ;)
Respectfully... Cheers man.[/QUOTE]
I understand your point, he seemed to be a little hesitant or something. I wouldnt call it uninspired though seemed more like he was a bit nervous. Maybe sweaty fingers as Ive mentioned earlier?
Could just have been the occasion though, these kind of concerts are always a gamble, playing without soundcheck and so on.
He looked a bit taken when Madiba spoke as well.
All in all I think they seemed well rehearsed and focused though. Im sure it will be great once the tour starts.
Hey MercuryArts, I just said "too many bendings".
I too prefer bendings over 32 note scales any day (that's why I prefer Guilmour to Satriani any given day) and think that bending a note is a straight-to-the-heart part during any good solo.
But if you're familiar with Brian's guitar over the years (also believe that he's a guitar God), comparing his performance of this concert to others, one must see that he was a little uninspired. Notice that I didn't say he played badly.. just inspired.
As for my musical knowledge, drum-wise, guitar-wise and other-wise, don't talk of what you don't know... ;)
Respectfully... Cheers man.[/QUOTE]
I understand your point, he seemed to be a little hesitant or something. I wouldnt call it uninspired though seemed more like he was a bit nervous. Maybe sweaty fingers as Ive mentioned earlier?
Could just have been the occasion though, these kind of concerts are always a gamble, playing without soundcheck and so on.
He looked a bit taken when Madiba spoke as well.
All in all I think they seemed well rehearsed and focused though. Im sure it will be great once the tour starts.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Al TurHao wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Hey MercuryArts, I just said "too many bendings".
I too prefer bendings over 32 note scales any day (that's why I prefer Guilmour to Satriani any given day) and think that bending a note is a straight-to-the-heart part during any good solo.
But if you're familiar with Brian's guitar over the years (also believe that he's a guitar God), comparing his performance of this concert to others, one must see that he was a little uninspired. Notice that I didn't say he played badly.. just inspired.
As for my musical knowledge, drum-wise, guitar-wise and other-wise, don't talk of what you don't know... ;)
Respectfully... Cheers man.[/QUOTE]
I understand your point, he seemed to be a little hesitant or something. I wouldnt call it uninspired though seemed more like he was a bit nervous. Maybe sweaty fingers as Ive mentioned earlier?
Could just have been the occasion though, these kind of concerts are always a gamble, playing without soundcheck and so on.
He looked a bit taken when Madiba spoke as well.
All in all I think they seemed well rehearsed and focused though. Im sure it will be great once the tour starts.[/QUOTE]
Given the set list they played, I find it very difficult to see where Brian's "inspiration" or not would be noticable. What I mean is, TYMD, WWRY, WATC, TSMGO and AN all have quite specific solo's which Brian has almost always been true to in live performance, and there is very little room for an experimentation within those structures apart from a bit in the final chorus of WATC. None of these are the kind of songs you'd really want him to go off on one during anyway - there are other tracks more suited to this which have a less memorable solo, if one at all on record, which live Brian will be creative with. They didnt play anything like that the other night though, so to say he was uninspired seems odd - he played mostly what you want and expect to hear in these songs!
Hey MercuryArts, I just said "too many bendings".
I too prefer bendings over 32 note scales any day (that's why I prefer Guilmour to Satriani any given day) and think that bending a note is a straight-to-the-heart part during any good solo.
But if you're familiar with Brian's guitar over the years (also believe that he's a guitar God), comparing his performance of this concert to others, one must see that he was a little uninspired. Notice that I didn't say he played badly.. just inspired.
As for my musical knowledge, drum-wise, guitar-wise and other-wise, don't talk of what you don't know... ;)
Respectfully... Cheers man.[/QUOTE]
I understand your point, he seemed to be a little hesitant or something. I wouldnt call it uninspired though seemed more like he was a bit nervous. Maybe sweaty fingers as Ive mentioned earlier?
Could just have been the occasion though, these kind of concerts are always a gamble, playing without soundcheck and so on.
He looked a bit taken when Madiba spoke as well.
All in all I think they seemed well rehearsed and focused though. Im sure it will be great once the tour starts.[/QUOTE]
Given the set list they played, I find it very difficult to see where Brian's "inspiration" or not would be noticable. What I mean is, TYMD, WWRY, WATC, TSMGO and AN all have quite specific solo's which Brian has almost always been true to in live performance, and there is very little room for an experimentation within those structures apart from a bit in the final chorus of WATC. None of these are the kind of songs you'd really want him to go off on one during anyway - there are other tracks more suited to this which have a less memorable solo, if one at all on record, which live Brian will be creative with. They didnt play anything like that the other night though, so to say he was uninspired seems odd - he played mostly what you want and expect to hear in these songs!
They will of course continue to play the "HITS". What band wouldn't? I would be nice to hear something slightly diferent from last time round. I think Its Late would be a great one to include and it would suite Pauls style IMO and eprhaps something else from the miracle that non fanatics might know like scandal or breakthru
With the kind of hits they have got who wouldnt play them. :)
It would be nice if they played some of the songs from the later albums that has never been played live before.
It would be nice if they played some of the songs from the later albums that has never been played live before.
Pffft. I would just love to see what would happen if Brian played completely different solos to all the songs. He never had to before, of course, but that's because Freddie was alive.
This happened when John Lennon died as well. You have to play the "Get Back" solo on a left handed banjo now. Just to stay inspired.
This happened when John Lennon died as well. You have to play the "Get Back" solo on a left handed banjo now. Just to stay inspired.
One Vision is a great decision.
The rest is way past the point of boring the $$$$ out of me.
If I held set list authority in this instance, this is what it would be:
One Vision
Liar
Shooting Star
Say It's Not True(studio version instead of the acoustic Roger only version previously done)
Is This The World We Created
Keep Yourself Alive
God Save The Queen
The rest is way past the point of boring the $$$$ out of me.
If I held set list authority in this instance, this is what it would be:
One Vision
Liar
Shooting Star
Say It's Not True(studio version instead of the acoustic Roger only version previously done)
Is This The World We Created
Keep Yourself Alive
God Save The Queen