[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]12yrslouetta wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It always made me chuckle when Queen brought out that tired line of we arent political in anyway, and its all about entertainment. Im presuming then if they were offered enough money then they would have played to nazis. Whats the difference!? Im sure nazis love a good ole knees up.
I love Queen, but i will always be sadened that they went to South Africa when apartheid was being enforced by force. And its a shame in many ways that people still defend their behaviour. They werent the only band or artist that went to Sun City but that doesnt or shouldnt excuse their behaviour.
That was in 1984, today this unpolitical band are now putting their lot in with mandela. It is kind of ironic BUT if they can get someone around the world buy a t-shirt or see a gig so all the proceeds go to the right place, thats got to be good thing. [/QUOTE]
After seeing this post, I'm glad they played there.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Daniel Nester wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Wow. The "I have a couple Black friends" bit.
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Hitler also wasn't anti-semitic. Cause one of his close workers was a jew.
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Hitler also wasn't anti-semitic. Cause one of his close workers was a jew.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]12yrslouetta wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It always made me chuckle when Queen brought out that tired line of we arent political in anyway, and its all about entertainment. Im presuming then if they were offered enough money then they would have played to nazis. Whats the difference!? Im sure nazis love a good ole knees up.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they would have insisted on playing to EVERYONE at the concentration camps, just as long as everyone was paying for their tickets. ;)
I'm sure they would have insisted on playing to EVERYONE at the concentration camps, just as long as everyone was paying for their tickets. ;)
[Cue the contrarian Australian jackass post.]
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haha, nice reply zeb, that made me chuckle. let me guess, a white guy right?? Hey, its all good.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]12yrslouetta wrote: [/QUOTENAME]haha, nice reply zeb, that made me chuckle. let me guess, a white guy right?? Hey, its all good.[/QUOTE]
I'm as black as they come.
I'm as black as they come.
Stayin' classy.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No, they did not play to a mixed audience. They played to a rich white audience for loads of money against the UN boycott and against the rules of the British union.[/QUOTE]
As far as I understand, Sun City was part of Bophuthatswana, one of ten bantustans, which were places set aside for black people of South Africa, not white people... which would mean they played for (at least mostly) a black audience. Or am I missing something?
As far as I understand, Sun City was part of Bophuthatswana, one of ten bantustans, which were places set aside for black people of South Africa, not white people... which would mean they played for (at least mostly) a black audience. Or am I missing something?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr. Scully wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Who cares about one band having played in Sun City... there will be Olympic Games in Bejing within a few weeks. Now what's worse...[/QUOTE]
And several important world leaders have been told to boycott it, and all of them declined, while on the other hand, not many leaders thought twice before joining the USA boycott against the Soviet Union under the cheap Afghanistan war excuse.
And several important world leaders have been told to boycott it, and all of them declined, while on the other hand, not many leaders thought twice before joining the USA boycott against the Soviet Union under the cheap Afghanistan war excuse.
And how did you come to understand that the crowds at Sun City were black or mostly black, Sir GH?
Are you counting the help?
The "country" you're talking about was never recognized by anyone except South Africa itself and Israel.
Are you counting the help?
The "country" you're talking about was never recognized by anyone except South Africa itself and Israel.
Amazing what some research can do.
Here's what I found out from "South African 'Homeland': A Success of Sorts," published in The New York Times, by Joseph Lelyveld, May 16, 1983:
* These small "countries" were ostensibly set up as a "homeland" for blacks of Tswana orgins--which, if you like the idea of reservations for Native Americans here in the states, is a good idea.
* These scattered, landlocked island-states were never recognized as real countries; instead, they were set up by the Apartheid government itself as part of South Africa's attempt to "unscramble the black population" from the country at large.
* The people who live(d) there, by and large, did not work there, instead commuting to South Africa.
* Of the 1.3 million people who lived in Bophuthatswana in 1982, only 2,000 voted, partly out of indifference and partly because of being intimidated by the non-government government.
Anybody who wants a PDF of this article, email me.
Here's what I found out from "South African 'Homeland': A Success of Sorts," published in The New York Times, by Joseph Lelyveld, May 16, 1983:
* These small "countries" were ostensibly set up as a "homeland" for blacks of Tswana orgins--which, if you like the idea of reservations for Native Americans here in the states, is a good idea.
* These scattered, landlocked island-states were never recognized as real countries; instead, they were set up by the Apartheid government itself as part of South Africa's attempt to "unscramble the black population" from the country at large.
* The people who live(d) there, by and large, did not work there, instead commuting to South Africa.
* Of the 1.3 million people who lived in Bophuthatswana in 1982, only 2,000 voted, partly out of indifference and partly because of being intimidated by the non-government government.
Anybody who wants a PDF of this article, email me.
Totally right, Daniel.
Bophuthatswana was one of the "homelands" (bantustans) where black South Africans were relocated, they were declared "independent" in order to deny the black people their South African citizenship. They lived in terrible poverty and no country recognized the the homelands. Quoting from the website I posted in my previous post:
"Bantustans, the fragmented areas designated for Africans, comprise only 13 percent of South Africa's territory. Yet these areas are to be the "homelands" for all Africans, or 72 percent of the population. Already the government has declared four of these bantustans, including Bophuthatswana, "independent," thus stripping 8 million people of their South African citizenship. The intention of the white minority government is to declare all ten bantustans independent, arriving at a time when, by the stroke of a white pen, every African will be a foreigner in South Africa. These pseudo-states are recognized by no government on earth except South Africa."
about Sun City:
"Sun City is a $90 million pleasure resort stuck into the vast rural poverty of Bophuthatswana. It plays a significant part in the South African effort to break out of its isolation and win back foreign favor. The large complex includes an artificial lake, a casino, soft porn movies, discotheques, and scantily clad chorus girls. Near by, the Pilanesberg game reserve was created for the tourists' delight by evicting 100 families from their homes. And there is the Superbowl, a large auditorium that regularly features big name international entertainers."
About alleged mixed racial audiences:
"Audiences are not officially segregated at Sun City. But the cost of the more expensive tickets often makes this the de facto reality. Liza Minelli performed her opening night to a crowd of 4,500 people, of which about 200 were black. There was only one black face in the most expensive seatsthe rest were high up in the auditorium in seats that sold for $13.00. And Southern Sun, which owns the hotel, admitted to giving tickets to blacks free. It does this not out of generosity but so that artists do not per- form to all-white audiences. "I don't mind about anything except that I'm playing in front of mixed audiences," said Liza Minelli, ignoring the fact that by performing there she was helping apartheid score propaganda points."
Read the whole article to understand the whole gross inhumanity of that system, it only takes 5 minutes
Bophuthatswana was one of the "homelands" (bantustans) where black South Africans were relocated, they were declared "independent" in order to deny the black people their South African citizenship. They lived in terrible poverty and no country recognized the the homelands. Quoting from the website I posted in my previous post:
"Bantustans, the fragmented areas designated for Africans, comprise only 13 percent of South Africa's territory. Yet these areas are to be the "homelands" for all Africans, or 72 percent of the population. Already the government has declared four of these bantustans, including Bophuthatswana, "independent," thus stripping 8 million people of their South African citizenship. The intention of the white minority government is to declare all ten bantustans independent, arriving at a time when, by the stroke of a white pen, every African will be a foreigner in South Africa. These pseudo-states are recognized by no government on earth except South Africa."
about Sun City:
"Sun City is a $90 million pleasure resort stuck into the vast rural poverty of Bophuthatswana. It plays a significant part in the South African effort to break out of its isolation and win back foreign favor. The large complex includes an artificial lake, a casino, soft porn movies, discotheques, and scantily clad chorus girls. Near by, the Pilanesberg game reserve was created for the tourists' delight by evicting 100 families from their homes. And there is the Superbowl, a large auditorium that regularly features big name international entertainers."
About alleged mixed racial audiences:
"Audiences are not officially segregated at Sun City. But the cost of the more expensive tickets often makes this the de facto reality. Liza Minelli performed her opening night to a crowd of 4,500 people, of which about 200 were black. There was only one black face in the most expensive seatsthe rest were high up in the auditorium in seats that sold for $13.00. And Southern Sun, which owns the hotel, admitted to giving tickets to blacks free. It does this not out of generosity but so that artists do not per- form to all-white audiences. "I don't mind about anything except that I'm playing in front of mixed audiences," said Liza Minelli, ignoring the fact that by performing there she was helping apartheid score propaganda points."
Read the whole article to understand the whole gross inhumanity of that system, it only takes 5 minutes
Thanks for pasting in those paragraphs, YourValentine.
I think I speak for all of us who are trying to tell others about the reality of South Africa and Sun City at that time are not trying to re-indict Queen for doing Sun City. It's just to look at that situation realistically. Without rose-colored Queen fan lenses.
I think I speak for all of us who are trying to tell others about the reality of South Africa and Sun City at that time are not trying to re-indict Queen for doing Sun City. It's just to look at that situation realistically. Without rose-colored Queen fan lenses.
Wow.... unreal stuff. I was aware of it on some level, but to have it all written in one place is pretty powerful. Thanks for posting.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Raf wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr. Scully wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Who cares about one band having played in Sun City... there will be Olympic Games in Bejing within a few weeks. Now what's worse...[/QUOTE]
And several important world leaders have been told to boycott it, and all of them declined, while on the other hand, not many leaders thought twice before joining the USA boycott against the Soviet Union under the cheap Afghanistan war excuse. [/QUOTE]
Money talks.. This can be seen in contrast with the apartheidregime that most countries of the world boycotted (and rightfully so!) but when it comes to one of the most important countries in the world economy no one is willing to do anything.
And several important world leaders have been told to boycott it, and all of them declined, while on the other hand, not many leaders thought twice before joining the USA boycott against the Soviet Union under the cheap Afghanistan war excuse. [/QUOTE]
Money talks.. This can be seen in contrast with the apartheidregime that most countries of the world boycotted (and rightfully so!) but when it comes to one of the most important countries in the world economy no one is willing to do anything.