[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jacob Britt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
But I know a guy from Pakistan and he could tell Freddie was an Indian of some sort.[/QUOTE]
THAT is an amazing story.
Thanks.
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"did you ever suspect fred wasn't white"?
no, but i suspected he was gay
no, but i suspected he was gay
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Charlie Brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset. [/QUOTE]
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]teleman wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Charlie Brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset. [/QUOTE]
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE]
Don't pay attention to what Danny says. More shit comes out his mouth than out of his ass.
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE]
Don't pay attention to what Danny says. More shit comes out his mouth than out of his ass.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]teleman wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Charlie Brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset. [/QUOTE]
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE] Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE] Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Charlie Brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]teleman wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Charlie Brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset. [/QUOTE]
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE] Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.[/QUOTE]
Charlie is actually right.
Quebecers are very closed people, and have stupid laws I feel violate our constitution somewhat, the one that bugs me the most being that ANY advertisement signs in Quebec MUST have the English text 4 times SMALLER than the French text.
A lot of them also speak very minimal or no English at all.
They also don't allow yellow butter or margarine (it's white there)
And oh god, don't get me started on the fucking separatists.
I was living in Quebec when they had the last separatist referendum around 1996. That pissed me off a great deal then.
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE] Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.[/QUOTE]
Charlie is actually right.
Quebecers are very closed people, and have stupid laws I feel violate our constitution somewhat, the one that bugs me the most being that ANY advertisement signs in Quebec MUST have the English text 4 times SMALLER than the French text.
A lot of them also speak very minimal or no English at all.
They also don't allow yellow butter or margarine (it's white there)
And oh god, don't get me started on the fucking separatists.
I was living in Quebec when they had the last separatist referendum around 1996. That pissed me off a great deal then.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inu-liger wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Charlie Brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]teleman wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Charlie Brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset. [/QUOTE]
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE] Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.[/QUOTE]
Charlie is actually right.
Quebecers are very closed people, and have stupid laws I feel violate our constitution somewhat, the one that bugs me the most being that ANY advertisement signs in Quebec MUST have the English text 4 times SMALLER than the French text.
A lot of them also speak very minimal or no English at all.
They also don't allow yellow butter or margarine (it's white there)
And oh god, don't get me started on the fucking separatists.
I was living in Quebec when they had the last separatist referendum around 1996. That pissed me off a great deal then.[/QUOTE]
I don't know much about Canada myself but I have relatives living there who speak both English and French. Of them, an uncle told me that many Quebecois people don't speak English even if they can. He told me one incident where he was asking a man for directions and the man refused to help unless he asked him in French. That's funny...
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE] Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.[/QUOTE]
Charlie is actually right.
Quebecers are very closed people, and have stupid laws I feel violate our constitution somewhat, the one that bugs me the most being that ANY advertisement signs in Quebec MUST have the English text 4 times SMALLER than the French text.
A lot of them also speak very minimal or no English at all.
They also don't allow yellow butter or margarine (it's white there)
And oh god, don't get me started on the fucking separatists.
I was living in Quebec when they had the last separatist referendum around 1996. That pissed me off a great deal then.[/QUOTE]
I don't know much about Canada myself but I have relatives living there who speak both English and French. Of them, an uncle told me that many Quebecois people don't speak English even if they can. He told me one incident where he was asking a man for directions and the man refused to help unless he asked him in French. That's funny...
Roger used to call Freddie a "dirty black bastard" whenever his mic was off.
So funny.
Think of this thread as an auction. I'm trying to top the bizzare, stupid bid that the original poster threw down.
Sorry. I'm not inclined to take this dope, or his thread, or you, seriously.
Sorry. I'm not inclined to take this dope, or his thread, or you, seriously.
He was human afaik.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inu-liger wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Charlie Brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]teleman wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Charlie Brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset. [/QUOTE]
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE] Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.[/QUOTE]
Charlie is actually right.
Quebecers are very closed people, and have stupid laws I feel violate our constitution somewhat, the one that bugs me the most being that ANY advertisement signs in Quebec MUST have the English text 4 times SMALLER than the French text.
A lot of them also speak very minimal or no English at all.
They also don't allow yellow butter or margarine (it's white there)
And oh god, don't get me started on the fucking separatists.
I was living in Quebec when they had the last separatist referendum around 1996. That pissed me off a great deal then.[/QUOTE]
True as all that may be, they still don't associate themselves with France. As descended from the Acadian French, they tend to consider themselves as 'true' French, while those guys in France are not. So, Francophone and separatist yes, French, absolutely not.
Really?
I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick)
As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music.[/QUOTE] Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.[/QUOTE]
Charlie is actually right.
Quebecers are very closed people, and have stupid laws I feel violate our constitution somewhat, the one that bugs me the most being that ANY advertisement signs in Quebec MUST have the English text 4 times SMALLER than the French text.
A lot of them also speak very minimal or no English at all.
They also don't allow yellow butter or margarine (it's white there)
And oh god, don't get me started on the fucking separatists.
I was living in Quebec when they had the last separatist referendum around 1996. That pissed me off a great deal then.[/QUOTE]
True as all that may be, they still don't associate themselves with France. As descended from the Acadian French, they tend to consider themselves as 'true' French, while those guys in France are not. So, Francophone and separatist yes, French, absolutely not.
Let's put it another way, perhaps different than the OP:
Does anyone think it is interesting that Freddie wasn't white?
I mean, anyone who read even the most introductory references to Queen would find out that Freddie was "of Persian descent," that he was born in Madagascar and, when he died, his funeral was performed adhering to the Zoroastrian faith. I found out the first two tidbits reading Queen's Greatest Pics as a 12-year-old in 1980!
Put another way:
Would it be safe to call any fan did who find out that Freddie was not "white" after, say, 1991, as a person who exhibits an almost aggressive lack of curiosity about the biographies of the musicians' music they enjoy?
Put still another way:
Are there really fans on this board who didn't know Freddie wasn't white after collecting all of their albums, buying a book or two about them, looking them up in a rock encyclopedia or entry on the Internets?
Put still another-another way:
Are there really fans who do not want to know anything about Freddie Mercury other than his music, as if FM were some kind of god figure about whom we cannot his background, other than his music. I mean, even religious people want to know a bit of bio information about Jesus, Mohammad, Gautama Buddha, Joseph Smith; even those believers try to find out the smallest bits of biographical data about the people they spend their entire life worshiping and praying towards.
The answer to that last question-bit is yes, I guess.
Well, my long-windedness is done. I'll try to cut back on my coffee intake.
Does anyone think it is interesting that Freddie wasn't white?
I mean, anyone who read even the most introductory references to Queen would find out that Freddie was "of Persian descent," that he was born in Madagascar and, when he died, his funeral was performed adhering to the Zoroastrian faith. I found out the first two tidbits reading Queen's Greatest Pics as a 12-year-old in 1980!
Put another way:
Would it be safe to call any fan did who find out that Freddie was not "white" after, say, 1991, as a person who exhibits an almost aggressive lack of curiosity about the biographies of the musicians' music they enjoy?
Put still another way:
Are there really fans on this board who didn't know Freddie wasn't white after collecting all of their albums, buying a book or two about them, looking them up in a rock encyclopedia or entry on the Internets?
Put still another-another way:
Are there really fans who do not want to know anything about Freddie Mercury other than his music, as if FM were some kind of god figure about whom we cannot his background, other than his music. I mean, even religious people want to know a bit of bio information about Jesus, Mohammad, Gautama Buddha, Joseph Smith; even those believers try to find out the smallest bits of biographical data about the people they spend their entire life worshiping and praying towards.
The answer to that last question-bit is yes, I guess.
Well, my long-windedness is done. I'll try to cut back on my coffee intake.
Daniel: it is Zanzibar; not Madagascar.
Well, if anyone can understand this subject, it would be Saif, so I hope he does some research for us in the future if he becomes interested in it.
But I think it is not quite as simple as asking if Freddie was "white". That is because the definition of "white" keeps changing depending on who is talking about it. Is it a scientific "white" as a race classification (which is now considered an obsolete idea)? Or is it "white" by the common person's ability to identify "white" (which has been a definition used by some courts)? Or is it "white" on an employment application (in which case, Freddie may have fallen under the "white" classification in the USA - from what I read)?
I would say that the scientific evidence using DNA of where certain peoples migrated from and who they are related to is quite interesting, especially with regards to India, because anthropologists have had theories over the years, and now, by using DNA, it is possible to answer certain mysteries.
But I think if you read up on that it does get complicated if you are not familiar with those sorts of things (as I am not). For example, they can trace the male DNA line (going back in time) of the Parsis and the female DNA separately. On the female side, they can see what ethnic groups they mixed their original genetics with. Just a few searches and anybody can read up on this sort of thing. Understanding it would be more difficult (and of course, I do not understand it, therefore even my short summary here may be not quite right).
But based on everything I briefly read, you could make the argument that Parsis are "white" and this argument has been made in the courts (in the USA) before.
But, I think we are mostly interested in Freddie's very beautiful and rare ethnic characteristics, as we would be with other people who look beautiful in a unique way, such as Sophia Loren, for example, or Angelina Jolie.
The pictures of him with the darker skin when he was young - well that would have been from a greater exposure to the sun, obviously. Then when he lived in London, he was less exposed to the sun. That would explain the difference.
Well, if anyone can understand this subject, it would be Saif, so I hope he does some research for us in the future if he becomes interested in it.
But I think it is not quite as simple as asking if Freddie was "white". That is because the definition of "white" keeps changing depending on who is talking about it. Is it a scientific "white" as a race classification (which is now considered an obsolete idea)? Or is it "white" by the common person's ability to identify "white" (which has been a definition used by some courts)? Or is it "white" on an employment application (in which case, Freddie may have fallen under the "white" classification in the USA - from what I read)?
I would say that the scientific evidence using DNA of where certain peoples migrated from and who they are related to is quite interesting, especially with regards to India, because anthropologists have had theories over the years, and now, by using DNA, it is possible to answer certain mysteries.
But I think if you read up on that it does get complicated if you are not familiar with those sorts of things (as I am not). For example, they can trace the male DNA line (going back in time) of the Parsis and the female DNA separately. On the female side, they can see what ethnic groups they mixed their original genetics with. Just a few searches and anybody can read up on this sort of thing. Understanding it would be more difficult (and of course, I do not understand it, therefore even my short summary here may be not quite right).
But based on everything I briefly read, you could make the argument that Parsis are "white" and this argument has been made in the courts (in the USA) before.
But, I think we are mostly interested in Freddie's very beautiful and rare ethnic characteristics, as we would be with other people who look beautiful in a unique way, such as Sophia Loren, for example, or Angelina Jolie.
The pictures of him with the darker skin when he was young - well that would have been from a greater exposure to the sun, obviously. Then when he lived in London, he was less exposed to the sun. That would explain the difference.
Right. Zanzibar. And it's in all of the Queen bios, as is that phrase, "of Persian descent." Which yes, is decidedly not any stripe of Caucasian. While it might be interesting to think about what Parsi and Persian descent might mean, it all adds up to Freddie, Farouk, not being any definition of "white" we can come up with.
I suppose this is sort of the business we run into when Jewish people say they aren't white. And it's true, in a genetic-ethnic sense; but there's many Jewish people who are completely assimilated into other cultures it might be hard to believe. Maybe that's what this talk of Freddie Bulsara?
I suppose this is sort of the business we run into when Jewish people say they aren't white. And it's true, in a genetic-ethnic sense; but there's many Jewish people who are completely assimilated into other cultures it might be hard to believe. Maybe that's what this talk of Freddie Bulsara?