This article is really unbelievable. I don't even know what to say.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26393946/
I work in an elementary school and I can't even begin to tell you how frightened I would be if some of the teachers I work with had access to a gun. Sure they are wonderful at getting through to children on the educational skills they need but half of them would walk right in to a busy intersection and not notice the 18 wheeler coming at them.
I have a concealed permit but I use it to shoot cardboard targets for fun. I would use it to protect my family if needed but I would rather not shoot another living thing. Cardboard is fine with me.
I guess all I can say is only in Texas????!!!! Sorry Texans. :)
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I'm sure those NRA gun nuts are the ones who were pushing for this.
They were even protesting that guns were not allowed at Disney World.
They were even protesting that guns were not allowed at Disney World.
The entire article pisses me off but this did it the most -
"The superintendent said some of the school's 50 employees are carrying weapons, but he wouldn't say how many. When pressed further, he first said that revealing that number might jeopardize school security. He then added that he considered it to be personnel information and not a matter of public record."
Personnel information and not a matter of public record? If my child were in that school, there's no way I'd let her remain there. As a parent, I feel I have the right to know if the people responsible for my child's safety are carrying a gun. It's one of the standard questions I've learned to ask the parents of her friends when she goes on playdates, now it has to be one asked of schools? What next? The YMCA?
It's amazing. They answer the issue of school shootings by arming more people. If I'm not mistaken, the guns used in recent school shootings were obtained legally. That says something to me - like maybe the laws need to be changed. Maybe there should be extended training periods, psyche evaluations, further restrictions on the number of guns that can be purchased in a given time, and lengthy waiting periods between applying and receiving the weapon. Instead, they approve of more people carrying. Sounds like the plan came from another Texan we all know too well. It's stupid, arrogant and dangerous, though somehow, I'm not surprised.
"The superintendent said some of the school's 50 employees are carrying weapons, but he wouldn't say how many. When pressed further, he first said that revealing that number might jeopardize school security. He then added that he considered it to be personnel information and not a matter of public record."
Personnel information and not a matter of public record? If my child were in that school, there's no way I'd let her remain there. As a parent, I feel I have the right to know if the people responsible for my child's safety are carrying a gun. It's one of the standard questions I've learned to ask the parents of her friends when she goes on playdates, now it has to be one asked of schools? What next? The YMCA?
It's amazing. They answer the issue of school shootings by arming more people. If I'm not mistaken, the guns used in recent school shootings were obtained legally. That says something to me - like maybe the laws need to be changed. Maybe there should be extended training periods, psyche evaluations, further restrictions on the number of guns that can be purchased in a given time, and lengthy waiting periods between applying and receiving the weapon. Instead, they approve of more people carrying. Sounds like the plan came from another Texan we all know too well. It's stupid, arrogant and dangerous, though somehow, I'm not surprised.
America...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Poo again wrote: [/QUOTENAME]America...[/QUOTE]
LMAO. :)
LMAO. :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm sure those NRA gun nuts are the ones who were pushing for this.
They were even protesting that guns were not allowed at Disney World.[/QUOTE]
MICKEY MOUSE
HE'S COMIN' RIGHT FOR US
HOLY FUCKING SHIT SOMEONE GET THAT GIANT TALKING DOG
BAM BAM BAM BAM
- NRA.
They were even protesting that guns were not allowed at Disney World.[/QUOTE]
MICKEY MOUSE
HE'S COMIN' RIGHT FOR US
HOLY FUCKING SHIT SOMEONE GET THAT GIANT TALKING DOG
BAM BAM BAM BAM
- NRA.
We let cops carry guns...
...if you take all the teachers in the country and compare them to all the cops in the country, I know I'd give the guns to the teachers...
...if you take all the teachers in the country and compare them to all the cops in the country, I know I'd give the guns to the teachers...
Please post the link to the story about the Texas school shootings since this went into effect.
Please.
Oh, that's right, you can't.
Lisser, you're a teacher right? Now I'm not sure where, but if it's a big city you've got an ARMED POLICE OFFICER in the school already. As well as a plain clothes undercover for backup. This was done to protect our kids. Have you told your boss that it makes you uncomfortable? I doubt it.
Are you all saying that only the kids should be the ones bringing the guns to school? That makes it safer? Ah, the fewer handguns excuse.
Please.
Oh, that's right, you can't.
Lisser, you're a teacher right? Now I'm not sure where, but if it's a big city you've got an ARMED POLICE OFFICER in the school already. As well as a plain clothes undercover for backup. This was done to protect our kids. Have you told your boss that it makes you uncomfortable? I doubt it.
Are you all saying that only the kids should be the ones bringing the guns to school? That makes it safer? Ah, the fewer handguns excuse.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Poo again wrote: [/QUOTENAME]America...[/QUOTE]
Land Of The Free
Home Of The Brave
and still Cheaper Gas than you.
Land Of The Free
Home Of The Brave
and still Cheaper Gas than you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Microwave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Please post the link to the story about the Texas school shootings since this went into effect.
Please.
Oh, that's right, you can't.
Lisser, you're a teacher right? Now I'm not sure where, but if it's a big city you've got an ARMED POLICE OFFICER in the school already. As well as a plain clothes undercover for backup. This was done to protect our kids. Have you told your boss that it makes you uncomfortable? I doubt it.
Are you all saying that only the kids should be the ones bringing the guns to school? That makes it safer? Ah, the fewer handguns excuse.[/QUOTE]
You don't see a difference between a cop with a gun vs. a gym teacher with one?
And yes indeed, the fewer handguns excuse... but I forget... there are those who feel everyone should be armed because then we'll all be so much safer. That logic is quite stale yet still disturbing.
Anyway, nothing will be changed here unless the parents voice their opposition to this new rule... if indeed they do oppose it.
Please.
Oh, that's right, you can't.
Lisser, you're a teacher right? Now I'm not sure where, but if it's a big city you've got an ARMED POLICE OFFICER in the school already. As well as a plain clothes undercover for backup. This was done to protect our kids. Have you told your boss that it makes you uncomfortable? I doubt it.
Are you all saying that only the kids should be the ones bringing the guns to school? That makes it safer? Ah, the fewer handguns excuse.[/QUOTE]
You don't see a difference between a cop with a gun vs. a gym teacher with one?
And yes indeed, the fewer handguns excuse... but I forget... there are those who feel everyone should be armed because then we'll all be so much safer. That logic is quite stale yet still disturbing.
Anyway, nothing will be changed here unless the parents voice their opposition to this new rule... if indeed they do oppose it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You don't see a difference between a cop with a gun vs. a gym teacher with one?[/QUOTE]
Exactly. There is always a chance that a teacher would be careless, and a gun could get into the hands of a student. Not a teacher, but there was an incident here recently where a 50 something year old grandma was in Sam's Club with her 4 year old grandchild. She had a legal concealed handgun in her purse, and the 4 year old got hold of it and shot herself. Accidents happen. School resource officers would be less likely to be careless with a gun than a teacher, I'm sure.
Exactly. There is always a chance that a teacher would be careless, and a gun could get into the hands of a student. Not a teacher, but there was an incident here recently where a 50 something year old grandma was in Sam's Club with her 4 year old grandchild. She had a legal concealed handgun in her purse, and the 4 year old got hold of it and shot herself. Accidents happen. School resource officers would be less likely to be careless with a gun than a teacher, I'm sure.
Gun nuts in this country think that everyone against them is an ignorant for "ignoring the Second Amendment". The truth is that nobody is ignoring the Second Amendment. Turns out to be that they are the ignorant ones for ignoring the "WELL REGULATED MILITIA" portion of the Second Amendment.
Think of this. When an armed criminal takes hostages inside a building, cops are not even allowed to go inside and are only told to point their guns from the outside and make calls for the criminal to surrender. Only an expert member of a SWAT team would be allowed to use guns inside a house of building in a rescue operation.
If a regular citizen has gone through the extensive gun training and emergency response of a SWAT official, I'm more than willing to give them the right to use a weapon. However, the NRA's idea of of gun training is knowing how to load a weapon and shoot at anything.
If they want to defend themselves against a potential criminal, allow them to use taser guns, which are far less lethal and far less likely to harm an innocent bystander. For the NRA this is not so much fun by their standards, considering that they are insane individuals with a morbid fascination with seeing blood run.
Think of this. When an armed criminal takes hostages inside a building, cops are not even allowed to go inside and are only told to point their guns from the outside and make calls for the criminal to surrender. Only an expert member of a SWAT team would be allowed to use guns inside a house of building in a rescue operation.
If a regular citizen has gone through the extensive gun training and emergency response of a SWAT official, I'm more than willing to give them the right to use a weapon. However, the NRA's idea of of gun training is knowing how to load a weapon and shoot at anything.
If they want to defend themselves against a potential criminal, allow them to use taser guns, which are far less lethal and far less likely to harm an innocent bystander. For the NRA this is not so much fun by their standards, considering that they are insane individuals with a morbid fascination with seeing blood run.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME] allow them to use taser guns, which are far less lethal and far less likely to harm an innocent bystander. [/QUOTE]
Now I like this idea. It could help with enforcing the dress code, talking in class, cheating, bullying, sports disadvantages, and overeating at lunch.
Now I like this idea. It could help with enforcing the dress code, talking in class, cheating, bullying, sports disadvantages, and overeating at lunch.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Erin wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Exactly. There is always a chance that a teacher would be careless[/QUOTE]
Yes, all cops are careful. WHAT?!?!?!
Cmon, Erin, you don't seriously believe that, do you? And you don't think that these teachers THAT DO CHOOSE TO CARRY have gone thru extensive training?
I'm sure the teacher that is packing heat had a very difficult time making that choice and we are all very insensitive to that... jokes aside. These are people who have chosen to educate our future generations. I think everyone of them THAT CHOSE TO CARRY was shocked at the thought of having to arm themselves. I don't think of them as careless, niave, irrational and incompetant as some of you suggest they are.
And Lisser, judging from what I've read from you over the last few years, I don't think of you that way either. You would simply be one of the teachers that declinded to carry, that's all. Unfortunately, though, if your classroom was ever stomed by an unstable student, you would be as powerless as the kids in your class and would most likely end up a victim: Being the teacher, probably the first victim.
Exactly. There is always a chance that a teacher would be careless[/QUOTE]
Yes, all cops are careful. WHAT?!?!?!
Cmon, Erin, you don't seriously believe that, do you? And you don't think that these teachers THAT DO CHOOSE TO CARRY have gone thru extensive training?
I'm sure the teacher that is packing heat had a very difficult time making that choice and we are all very insensitive to that... jokes aside. These are people who have chosen to educate our future generations. I think everyone of them THAT CHOSE TO CARRY was shocked at the thought of having to arm themselves. I don't think of them as careless, niave, irrational and incompetant as some of you suggest they are.
And Lisser, judging from what I've read from you over the last few years, I don't think of you that way either. You would simply be one of the teachers that declinded to carry, that's all. Unfortunately, though, if your classroom was ever stomed by an unstable student, you would be as powerless as the kids in your class and would most likely end up a victim: Being the teacher, probably the first victim.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Microwave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And you don't think that these teachers THAT DO CHOOSE TO CARRY have gone thru extensive training?[/QUOTE]
Not as much training as a school resource officer, whose sole responsibility is to ensure the safety of the students... Teachers may have good intentions to protect themselves and their students, but their job is to educate not to be the school police.
Not as much training as a school resource officer, whose sole responsibility is to ensure the safety of the students... Teachers may have good intentions to protect themselves and their students, but their job is to educate not to be the school police.