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Yes. My point is which songs they played before an audience that couldn't have heard them prior to the event. In that case, I suppose some songs from 'The Game' also count, since the album was issued the same day as their first concert, and I suppose the Vancouver audience didn't have time to buy it, listen to it and join the queue (and I'm not sure if the release date was the same for UK and Canada, I suppose it wasn't but I could be wrong).
The only proof of Sleeping on the Sidewalk being played live is a article in an American news paper the day after the concert.
I don´t know how reliable that is, but I think it´s more realiable than a story of an eye witness 30 years later, right?
I don´t know how reliable that is, but I think it´s more realiable than a story of an eye witness 30 years later, right?
Good point.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The only proof of Sleeping on the Sidewalk being played live is a article in an American news paper the day after the concert.
I don´t know how reliable that is, but I think it´s more realiable than a story of an eye witness 30 years later, right?[/QUOTE]
That's right. Still trying to find a link to the article. I am too lazy to go through my archive DVDs.
I don´t know how reliable that is, but I think it´s more realiable than a story of an eye witness 30 years later, right?[/QUOTE]
That's right. Still trying to find a link to the article. I am too lazy to go through my archive DVDs.
Nice lists! But I'll debate a couple of things...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]SONGS NEVER DONE LIVE IN FULL VERSION[/QUOTE]
White Man - the only thing omitted live was the flam at the end... so that's kind of pushing it, I think!
My Melancholy Blues - perhaps you're thinking of the the Rare Live version from Houston which was edited down... they always played the whole song.
Dead on Time
Fun It
Las Palabras de Amor
Machines
These four are also kind of pushing it, as they were only very brief references to the songs. These songs weren't actually rehearsed and performed as a band like all the others you listed in this category.
Gimme the Prize - as far as I know, this was never referenced live. What show are you thinking of?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The only proof of Sleeping on the Sidewalk being played live is a article in an American news paper the day after the concert.[/QUOTE]
Have you got that handy?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]SONGS NEVER DONE LIVE IN FULL VERSION[/QUOTE]
White Man - the only thing omitted live was the flam at the end... so that's kind of pushing it, I think!
My Melancholy Blues - perhaps you're thinking of the the Rare Live version from Houston which was edited down... they always played the whole song.
Dead on Time
Fun It
Las Palabras de Amor
Machines
These four are also kind of pushing it, as they were only very brief references to the songs. These songs weren't actually rehearsed and performed as a band like all the others you listed in this category.
Gimme the Prize - as far as I know, this was never referenced live. What show are you thinking of?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The only proof of Sleeping on the Sidewalk being played live is a article in an American news paper the day after the concert.[/QUOTE]
Have you got that handy?
I heard a portion of Gimme the Prize in Brian's lone North American appearance in 1998 (Rockstock in a Chicago suburb) in a guitur medley as part of a 30 minute set ... perhaps Brian played of smal portion of it in one of his guitar solos in 1986.
I wish Brian did the Gimme The Prize solo in FBG during the QPR tour.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]One of those listings:
SONGS PLAYED ON STAGE BEFORE BEING RECORDED:
Keep Yourself Alive
Doing All Right (though Smile had recorded it)
Great King Rat
Liar
Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll
Son & Daughter
Hangman
See What a Fool I've Been
Stone Cold Crazy
Tie Your Mother Down
You Take My Breath Away
PROBABLY:
The Night Comes Down
Jesus
Father to Son
White Queen
Ogre Battle
[/QUOTE]
That's interesting. I don't want to abuse of your patience!, but it'd be great for people who don't know a lot about it, like myself and many others, if you added the info about when they probably played the songs for the first time, just a quick notice, like: "Tie Your Mother Down - First played, to the best of our knowledge, in..., 19...".
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Sorry! But since you're at it, I don't know, maybe it could be useful to fans, it'd be to me, I'm sure.
Is the first live version of Save Me, for instance, that one from Glasgow, 1th December 1979? Or is there proof they played it even before in Birminghan or Manchester a couple of days earlier? That'd be interesting to know!
Thanks a lot for the list, very interesting!
SONGS PLAYED ON STAGE BEFORE BEING RECORDED:
Keep Yourself Alive
Doing All Right (though Smile had recorded it)
Great King Rat
Liar
Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll
Son & Daughter
Hangman
See What a Fool I've Been
Stone Cold Crazy
Tie Your Mother Down
You Take My Breath Away
PROBABLY:
The Night Comes Down
Jesus
Father to Son
White Queen
Ogre Battle
[/QUOTE]
That's interesting. I don't want to abuse of your patience!, but it'd be great for people who don't know a lot about it, like myself and many others, if you added the info about when they probably played the songs for the first time, just a quick notice, like: "Tie Your Mother Down - First played, to the best of our knowledge, in..., 19...".
:op
Sorry! But since you're at it, I don't know, maybe it could be useful to fans, it'd be to me, I'm sure.
Is the first live version of Save Me, for instance, that one from Glasgow, 1th December 1979? Or is there proof they played it even before in Birminghan or Manchester a couple of days earlier? That'd be interesting to know!
Thanks a lot for the list, very interesting!
There were 2 shows at the Glasgow Apollo for the "Crazy Tour" I was at the first show Nov 30th 79. That wasnt the night RT forgot the lyrics to IILWMC nor was the show taped (as far as i know).. They did play "Save Me" that night.
Dunno if that helps, but there ya go.
e.
Dunno if that helps, but there ya go.
e.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ezee wrote: [/QUOTENAME]There were 2 shows at the Glasgow Apollo for the "Crazy Tour" I was at the first show Nov 30th 79. That wasnt the night RT forgot the lyrics to IILWMC nor was the show taped (as far as i know).. They did play "Save Me" that night.
Dunno if that helps, but there ya go.
e.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Thanks a million. It does help a lot. I love their performance of this song in Hammersmith Odeon, a couple of days later! So, the fact that they had been playing the song live for almost a month helps me understand why the performance is so out of the league - the song was still fresh, but they had already played it a couple of times and felt at ease with it. That one in Newcastle I don't like that much, funny, but then the sound quality of this gig is terrible, so it's hard to evaluate.
But, wow, you WERE there at the Appollo. I wrote elsewhere that I love the gig at the Appollo in 1977, and the sound quality is superb. It made me wonder if the acoustics of the place helped - the sound is full, the harmonies sound as good as ever...it must have been a good place for them to play!
And, then, you were at this one, which was not even taped!
So...the question: what did you think about their performance? Where were you? Next to the stage? So on, so forth... :-)))) Any stories you'd like to share... :-)
Dunno if that helps, but there ya go.
e.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Thanks a million. It does help a lot. I love their performance of this song in Hammersmith Odeon, a couple of days later! So, the fact that they had been playing the song live for almost a month helps me understand why the performance is so out of the league - the song was still fresh, but they had already played it a couple of times and felt at ease with it. That one in Newcastle I don't like that much, funny, but then the sound quality of this gig is terrible, so it's hard to evaluate.
But, wow, you WERE there at the Appollo. I wrote elsewhere that I love the gig at the Appollo in 1977, and the sound quality is superb. It made me wonder if the acoustics of the place helped - the sound is full, the harmonies sound as good as ever...it must have been a good place for them to play!
And, then, you were at this one, which was not even taped!
So...the question: what did you think about their performance? Where were you? Next to the stage? So on, so forth... :-)))) Any stories you'd like to share... :-)
[QUOTE]That's interesting. I don't want to abuse of your patience!, but it'd be great for people who don't know a lot about it, like myself and many others, if you added the info about when they probably played the songs for the first time, just a quick notice, like: "Tie Your Mother Down - First played, to the best of our knowledge, in..., 19...". [/QUOTE]
I think it's a very good idea. The following songs were reportedly played even before John Deacon joined the band (i.e. 1970-1971):
Keep Yourself Alive
Doing All Right
Great King Rat
Liar
Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll
Son & Daughter
Hangman
Stone Cold Crazy
As for 'See What a Fool I've Been', it's possible that Queen played it long before 1973, since it'd been a Smile number as well. But I've got no way to prove that.
'Tie Your Mother Down': Fred said (Circus mag, Jan 1977) that they'd played it at Hyde Park before recording it. We know it wasn't true because the HP gig's been heavily bootlegged, and the song wasn't on it. The usual theory is that Freddie mistook Hyde Park for another concert of the time (in either Edinburgh or Cardiff), especially considering 'As It Began' also mentions that.
'You Take My Breath Away' was indeed played at Hyde Park and probably the other three gigs as well.
'The Night Comes Down' and 'Jesus' appear on a handwritten setlist for 10th March 1972 (before the Trident sessions but after recording both songs at De Lane Lea Centre), but it doesn't necessarily mean they didn't play them before. According to Barry Mitchell, they didn't play those songs with him, so they surely were included only during the John Deacon era, but was it before or after September 1971? We can only guess for the moment.
'Father to Son' and 'Ogre Battle' were played at Golders Green on 13th September 1973, long before 'Queen II' was released, but after it'd been recorded. Whether they'd played those songs before August 1973 or not, again, is up to speculation. Judging by the fact 'Ogre Battle' was written in guitar, one could suppose Freddie'd composed it around the same time as songs from the first album ('Great King Rat', 'Liar', 'Jesus'), since from the second album onwards he wrote nearly everything on piano. Again, there's a lot of speculation there, and it wouldn't necessarily mean they'd played the song before that date anyway.
'White Queen' ... I've only heard it from 'Sheer Heart Attack' tour onwards, but it doesn't mean they didn't play it before. Since Brian had the song from his college years (though Smile never played it, according to Tim), it's possible that they did it around 1973 or even before.
Now, something else I've been thinking, although it's a tape, not a live song: 'God Save the Queen'. On the documentary, Brian shows the tracksheet and it's sixteen-track, not twenty-four. That strongly suggests they did it for 'Queen II' sessions, not 'Sheer Heart Attack' since that one was twenty-four already (though Trident Studios still had sixteen). Moreover, it's in the same tape as 'Procession', and the piano sound does match the one at Trident (e.g. the famous Black Queen take).
I think the earliest bootleg containing GStQ is from early 1975, the band had already played over a hundred concerts since September 1973, and no bootleg contains GStQ, but then again, no complete concert survives from that time (only a couple are out there, ending on the medley, which doesn't guarantee they taped the entire show): just because we don't see the IR or UV it doesn't mean they don't exist...
So, either Brian and Roger had a last-minute Trident session sometime in late '74 or early '75 (not included in the 'Opera' credits because their problems with the Sheffield brothers), or GStQ actually comes from 'Queen II' sessions, and its tape at the end of concerts isn't in any bootleg for a number of reasons, none of them proving the recording didn't exist back then. Though, again, nothing absolutely proves it did either. Maybe Greg Brooks can stop rowing with QZers and help a little bit on this!
'Save Me': the earliest recording available for the public is indeed the one in Glasgow (1st December). Since no bootlegs from November survive (unless an elite collector has it), we can only speculate whether they played it then or not.
I think it's a very good idea. The following songs were reportedly played even before John Deacon joined the band (i.e. 1970-1971):
Keep Yourself Alive
Doing All Right
Great King Rat
Liar
Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll
Son & Daughter
Hangman
Stone Cold Crazy
As for 'See What a Fool I've Been', it's possible that Queen played it long before 1973, since it'd been a Smile number as well. But I've got no way to prove that.
'Tie Your Mother Down': Fred said (Circus mag, Jan 1977) that they'd played it at Hyde Park before recording it. We know it wasn't true because the HP gig's been heavily bootlegged, and the song wasn't on it. The usual theory is that Freddie mistook Hyde Park for another concert of the time (in either Edinburgh or Cardiff), especially considering 'As It Began' also mentions that.
'You Take My Breath Away' was indeed played at Hyde Park and probably the other three gigs as well.
'The Night Comes Down' and 'Jesus' appear on a handwritten setlist for 10th March 1972 (before the Trident sessions but after recording both songs at De Lane Lea Centre), but it doesn't necessarily mean they didn't play them before. According to Barry Mitchell, they didn't play those songs with him, so they surely were included only during the John Deacon era, but was it before or after September 1971? We can only guess for the moment.
'Father to Son' and 'Ogre Battle' were played at Golders Green on 13th September 1973, long before 'Queen II' was released, but after it'd been recorded. Whether they'd played those songs before August 1973 or not, again, is up to speculation. Judging by the fact 'Ogre Battle' was written in guitar, one could suppose Freddie'd composed it around the same time as songs from the first album ('Great King Rat', 'Liar', 'Jesus'), since from the second album onwards he wrote nearly everything on piano. Again, there's a lot of speculation there, and it wouldn't necessarily mean they'd played the song before that date anyway.
'White Queen' ... I've only heard it from 'Sheer Heart Attack' tour onwards, but it doesn't mean they didn't play it before. Since Brian had the song from his college years (though Smile never played it, according to Tim), it's possible that they did it around 1973 or even before.
Now, something else I've been thinking, although it's a tape, not a live song: 'God Save the Queen'. On the documentary, Brian shows the tracksheet and it's sixteen-track, not twenty-four. That strongly suggests they did it for 'Queen II' sessions, not 'Sheer Heart Attack' since that one was twenty-four already (though Trident Studios still had sixteen). Moreover, it's in the same tape as 'Procession', and the piano sound does match the one at Trident (e.g. the famous Black Queen take).
I think the earliest bootleg containing GStQ is from early 1975, the band had already played over a hundred concerts since September 1973, and no bootleg contains GStQ, but then again, no complete concert survives from that time (only a couple are out there, ending on the medley, which doesn't guarantee they taped the entire show): just because we don't see the IR or UV it doesn't mean they don't exist...
So, either Brian and Roger had a last-minute Trident session sometime in late '74 or early '75 (not included in the 'Opera' credits because their problems with the Sheffield brothers), or GStQ actually comes from 'Queen II' sessions, and its tape at the end of concerts isn't in any bootleg for a number of reasons, none of them proving the recording didn't exist back then. Though, again, nothing absolutely proves it did either. Maybe Greg Brooks can stop rowing with QZers and help a little bit on this!
'Save Me': the earliest recording available for the public is indeed the one in Glasgow (1st December). Since no bootlegs from November survive (unless an elite collector has it), we can only speculate whether they played it then or not.
Terrific!
Many thanks, Sebastian.
I never tought Liar was such an early composition. Freddie's vocal style is already so distinct there, and quite different from the take of other singers from successful bands at the time. At least quite different from those I can think of now...and, well, it's kind of tricky in terms of harmony too, so it's a surprise to me that he wrote that in the guitar, an instrument he always claimed to know nothing about! He was quite good from very early on!
Well, thanks for all the info. It's very interesting.
Many thanks, Sebastian.
I never tought Liar was such an early composition. Freddie's vocal style is already so distinct there, and quite different from the take of other singers from successful bands at the time. At least quite different from those I can think of now...and, well, it's kind of tricky in terms of harmony too, so it's a surprise to me that he wrote that in the guitar, an instrument he always claimed to know nothing about! He was quite good from very early on!
Well, thanks for all the info. It's very interesting.
i love this topic.. thanks Sebastian!
Couple of things,, I had what i believed to be a copy of a few songs from the Summer 76 Edinburgh show. It was an audience recording and Tie your Mother Down was on it. It sounded very raw, loose and some of the lyrics may even have been different.. I downloaded it a few yrs ago, im sure many of you guys must have a copy?
Re: God save the Queen.. I think your on the right track Sebastian, id heard or read that it was originaly recorded during the Queen II sessions. Im sure Brian tells the whole story on The making of a Night at the Opera?
Yara, The Nov 30th 1979 show at the Glasgow Apollo was very similar to the Hamersmith Xmas show one month later.. I was about halfway back in the stalls.. The lighting rig ill always remember as being very overwhelming!!! They opened that night with "Let me Entertain You" and i think they played "If you cant Beat Em" It was a Glasgow crowd so the energy was intense.. not like those sophisticated London audiences!!!
e.
Couple of things,, I had what i believed to be a copy of a few songs from the Summer 76 Edinburgh show. It was an audience recording and Tie your Mother Down was on it. It sounded very raw, loose and some of the lyrics may even have been different.. I downloaded it a few yrs ago, im sure many of you guys must have a copy?
Re: God save the Queen.. I think your on the right track Sebastian, id heard or read that it was originaly recorded during the Queen II sessions. Im sure Brian tells the whole story on The making of a Night at the Opera?
Yara, The Nov 30th 1979 show at the Glasgow Apollo was very similar to the Hamersmith Xmas show one month later.. I was about halfway back in the stalls.. The lighting rig ill always remember as being very overwhelming!!! They opened that night with "Let me Entertain You" and i think they played "If you cant Beat Em" It was a Glasgow crowd so the energy was intense.. not like those sophisticated London audiences!!!
e.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]SONGS NEVER DONE LIVE IN FULL VERSION
Father to Son
The March of the Black Queen
Killer Queen
Bring Back That Leroy Brown
I'm in Love With My Car
You're My Best Friend
'39
Bohemian Rhapsody
You Take My Breath Away
The Millionaire Waltz
White Man
Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy
My Melancholy Blues
Mustapha
Bicycle Race
Dead on Time
Fun It
Las Palabras de Amor
Machines
Gimme the Prize[/QUOTE]
Since you're quite precisely with this... then Who Wants To Live Forever should be in this list too. They never performed the long and beautiful instrumental ending live.
And Dreamers Ball omitted some repeats of the vocal/instrumental chorusses when they did it live if I'm right.
Father to Son
The March of the Black Queen
Killer Queen
Bring Back That Leroy Brown
I'm in Love With My Car
You're My Best Friend
'39
Bohemian Rhapsody
You Take My Breath Away
The Millionaire Waltz
White Man
Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy
My Melancholy Blues
Mustapha
Bicycle Race
Dead on Time
Fun It
Las Palabras de Amor
Machines
Gimme the Prize[/QUOTE]
Since you're quite precisely with this... then Who Wants To Live Forever should be in this list too. They never performed the long and beautiful instrumental ending live.
And Dreamers Ball omitted some repeats of the vocal/instrumental chorusses when they did it live if I'm right.