I like Paul Rodgers. I like Paul Rodgers singing Free & Bad Company songs. That's what I listen to when I want to hear Paul. When I want to hear Brian & Roger, they are usually joined by Freddie and John.
However, Brian & Roger chose to continue on. John chose to retire. The key word is choice. It was their choice. It's my choice not to listen to TCR and I'm okay with it. It's Bri & Rog's choice to use the name Queen and John's okay with that.
I think as a community of fans, we should respect that right of choice and not blast anyone who feels differently.
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One thing that I didn't see so far (haven't seen it at all actually) is anyone thinking about the possibility that if Freddie was alive, that in these 17 years if they would/could have made good albums (or any album at all), what style would be they playing (grunge in the 90's? Techno in 2000's?), and even if they would even be still together as a band. How many albums could have existed? 5 (considering about 1 year for recording/composing one for touring and one for resting)? How many would be "Hot Spaces" or "Miracles"?
They had (still have) talent, but would it be still in use if Freddie was alive and if the band was Queen as we know it and as some (still) want it to be? It could have been a very different band the same way as it is now, including with a break up sometime in the middle of these 17 years and a singer replacement a la Van Halen - perhaps with Paul as a replacement, who knows. The "old" Queen could have died anyway, just by other means. Blaming Freddie for that isn't that fair.
They had (still have) talent, but would it be still in use if Freddie was alive and if the band was Queen as we know it and as some (still) want it to be? It could have been a very different band the same way as it is now, including with a break up sometime in the middle of these 17 years and a singer replacement a la Van Halen - perhaps with Paul as a replacement, who knows. The "old" Queen could have died anyway, just by other means. Blaming Freddie for that isn't that fair.
Excellent comments from gnomo. I especially liked, "I listen to it, and I like it, for what it IS. Not despite what it can not be."
I think it is a delayed grieving process; these new songs are maybe making some people feel the loss of Freddie all over again. I can't believe the number of threads started this week about the album, and instead of just posting in an existing thread, people feel the need to start a new thread. This also makes it seem like people are taking it very personally and are probably in some state of shock or emotional upset (like poor LadySonnet). Ha. I guess I am also part of this group - still getting used to the idea. But this new album grew on me all week, and I love it now!
I think it is a delayed grieving process; these new songs are maybe making some people feel the loss of Freddie all over again. I can't believe the number of threads started this week about the album, and instead of just posting in an existing thread, people feel the need to start a new thread. This also makes it seem like people are taking it very personally and are probably in some state of shock or emotional upset (like poor LadySonnet). Ha. I guess I am also part of this group - still getting used to the idea. But this new album grew on me all week, and I love it now!
I think that the fact that several threads about the subject are being made is because a lot of people (besides the usual trolls of course) are wanting to express themselves and have their messages at least heard for a while (or not) instead of just having their opinions lost inside a giant flame war thread. Notice that some threads evolve to a more serious discussion with very valid points (to which we can agree or not), while others are pure nonsense.
I don't have anything against people starting threads. I never start them but I guess I should get over that fear. It's just that I always am so much more interested in what other people have to say (that's what I tell myself) and my own mind is blank blank blank when it comes to starting new threads. I was going to start one on the weather, but that got taken.
However, it has been more than several new threads started on The Cosmos Rocks album reviews. It has been really too much to keep up with but I guess if it were one giant-ly long thread on The Cosmos Rocks, that would take away some of the creativity of these thread starters who are coming up with their own thread just to highlight their own opinion.
However, it has been more than several new threads started on The Cosmos Rocks album reviews. It has been really too much to keep up with but I guess if it were one giant-ly long thread on The Cosmos Rocks, that would take away some of the creativity of these thread starters who are coming up with their own thread just to highlight their own opinion.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Donna13 wrote: [/QUOTENAME] who are coming up with their own thread just to highlight their own opinion. [/QUOTE]
Opinions which, as I've said, would be lost in the middle of QZ X TM flamewars.
Opinions which, as I've said, would be lost in the middle of QZ X TM flamewars.
my opinion is like this:
Freddie is dead for 17 years.. Briand, Roger, Freddie and John were making Queen albums from 70's till 90's.. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY NEED TO CHANGE THEIR NAME? after 30 years of working on something you abandon it? no. this is WRONT. why would you do this. I'm pretty much SURE that Freddie would approve them going with Queen flag. He would probably love to see/hear Paul singing his song. come one guys, be smart and stop acting like morons. be like in 'We Believe' song from QPR..
Queen = Brian May, Roger Taylor, Freddie Mercury & John Deacon.
John opted out, Freddie is dead, so its QUEEN + PAUL RODGERS.
they have all rights to use QUEEN NAME, and yes, it's very moral if you ask, why shouldnt it be?
grow up..
Queen and Paul Rodgers are rocking the world!
Freddie is dead for 17 years.. Briand, Roger, Freddie and John were making Queen albums from 70's till 90's.. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY NEED TO CHANGE THEIR NAME? after 30 years of working on something you abandon it? no. this is WRONT. why would you do this. I'm pretty much SURE that Freddie would approve them going with Queen flag. He would probably love to see/hear Paul singing his song. come one guys, be smart and stop acting like morons. be like in 'We Believe' song from QPR..
Queen = Brian May, Roger Taylor, Freddie Mercury & John Deacon.
John opted out, Freddie is dead, so its QUEEN + PAUL RODGERS.
they have all rights to use QUEEN NAME, and yes, it's very moral if you ask, why shouldnt it be?
grow up..
Queen and Paul Rodgers are rocking the world!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]gnomo wrote: [/QUOTENAME]... well, before the stepfords join in, I'd like to contribute my own point of view, FWLIW ...
I think that Mr. Jordy perfectly put into words Freddie's uniqueness and defining influence on all facets of Queen, his "lateral" creativity, his ability to give it his best and bring out the best from the others.
And I agree that of course it is his driving force the element that is clearly, obviously missing from TCR, the difference between a good blues-rock album and a great Queen album.
And it saddens me deeply, that he's no longer with us, that he'll be no longer gracing us with his unique talents.
Yet, I like TCR.
Not as "second best" of something that can not possibly exist any more; not as a pale glimpse of what might have been, had he been still alive.
Those thoughts do not enter my mind while I listen to it.
I listen to it, and I like it, for what it IS.
Not despite what it can not be.
And I do not even have an issue with the name: as long as it's not "Queen" full stop, it's perfectly fine and fitting for me.
Which makes me feel rather awkward, in the middle of all this heated dispute.
I keep wondering whether I am the strange one, or the normal one.
IMVHO & FWLIW & NOM as usual.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you Gnomo.Its important to remember that this is a new version of Queen.The old Queen died when Freddie died.
Whilst i will always be a Freddie fan first and foremost,i feel its important for Brian and Roger to move on and come out with new stuff.And Paul is the best man to do it with.
I think that Mr. Jordy perfectly put into words Freddie's uniqueness and defining influence on all facets of Queen, his "lateral" creativity, his ability to give it his best and bring out the best from the others.
And I agree that of course it is his driving force the element that is clearly, obviously missing from TCR, the difference between a good blues-rock album and a great Queen album.
And it saddens me deeply, that he's no longer with us, that he'll be no longer gracing us with his unique talents.
Yet, I like TCR.
Not as "second best" of something that can not possibly exist any more; not as a pale glimpse of what might have been, had he been still alive.
Those thoughts do not enter my mind while I listen to it.
I listen to it, and I like it, for what it IS.
Not despite what it can not be.
And I do not even have an issue with the name: as long as it's not "Queen" full stop, it's perfectly fine and fitting for me.
Which makes me feel rather awkward, in the middle of all this heated dispute.
I keep wondering whether I am the strange one, or the normal one.
IMVHO & FWLIW & NOM as usual.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you Gnomo.Its important to remember that this is a new version of Queen.The old Queen died when Freddie died.
Whilst i will always be a Freddie fan first and foremost,i feel its important for Brian and Roger to move on and come out with new stuff.And Paul is the best man to do it with.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Personally I think It's Late is Queen's best song - a Brian song of course. It's a shame he doesnt seem to have that kind of songwriting in him any more.[/QUOTE]
You don't get it.
Imagine Paul Rogers singing "Its late".
Would it still be as good as Freddie's "Its Late".
Brian, Roger, and John wrote good songs. But Freddie made them GREAT.
Freddie himself was the BEST song writer of the band. That's why he was able to make song's like "Barcelona" and "The Fallen Priest" on his own. Those are Queen signature songs.
Freddie is probably 80% to 90% of Queen's success.
Brian, Roger, and John without Freddie would never amount to Queen's level of Success. They'd maybe be moderately successful as Smile.
Just watch. Queen + PR will BOMB sales wise, and they will never again be heard of. They have just one top 40 single. That's it.
That's how Brian and Roger and John would've gone without Freddie.
Freddie was 90% of Queen.
[/QUOTE] Freddie was 90% of queen is bullshit. They all had their part, and remember brian's guitar sound and songwriting was huge. My problem is when the brian and roger cult come on this site and try to dismiss freddie's input. We all have our favorite members, but to try to dismiss the most original writer and personality is plain silly. For the people who keep bringing up Mr. bad guy as proof that freddie wasn't good on his own tend to forget the great 'barcelona' that album has more originality and creativity than most queen albums. The bottom line is freddie mercury was a huge part of that band, and to say otherwise makes you look that much more ignorant.
You don't get it.
Imagine Paul Rogers singing "Its late".
Would it still be as good as Freddie's "Its Late".
Brian, Roger, and John wrote good songs. But Freddie made them GREAT.
Freddie himself was the BEST song writer of the band. That's why he was able to make song's like "Barcelona" and "The Fallen Priest" on his own. Those are Queen signature songs.
Freddie is probably 80% to 90% of Queen's success.
Brian, Roger, and John without Freddie would never amount to Queen's level of Success. They'd maybe be moderately successful as Smile.
Just watch. Queen + PR will BOMB sales wise, and they will never again be heard of. They have just one top 40 single. That's it.
That's how Brian and Roger and John would've gone without Freddie.
Freddie was 90% of Queen.
[/QUOTE] Freddie was 90% of queen is bullshit. They all had their part, and remember brian's guitar sound and songwriting was huge. My problem is when the brian and roger cult come on this site and try to dismiss freddie's input. We all have our favorite members, but to try to dismiss the most original writer and personality is plain silly. For the people who keep bringing up Mr. bad guy as proof that freddie wasn't good on his own tend to forget the great 'barcelona' that album has more originality and creativity than most queen albums. The bottom line is freddie mercury was a huge part of that band, and to say otherwise makes you look that much more ignorant.
I'm Judging the new album on it's own. I'm not trying to compare the cosmo rocks against Innuendo or god forbid ANATO or ADATR. I look at this new album as something new, so when I hear the almost embarrassing the 'cosmo's rockin' my first thought is "this is horrible" or 'surf's up...schools out' is one of the worst songs I'v ever heard. I still don't like 'celebrity' and the studio version if 'say it's not true. These songs arn't very good by anyone's standards, let alone Queen. The album isn't all horrible. I think 'small' is very good, and 'some things that glitter' is perfect. I also like 'voodoo' and 'time to shine,' but 4 or 5 songs out of 13 isn't my idea of a good album. 'war boys' has grown on me a little, It reminds me of a weaker version of white man.