I'm glad to finally see a fair review. Whilst personally I like the album, I guess I dont really listen to it as a Queen album and maybe thats why. If this album was by any other new unknown band then I reckon it would get some very good reviews and musically it would deserve them. By using the Queen brand name they have have a presence in the market and a solid fan base, but also they overwhelming legacy of what Queen were. So I guess most queen fans would probably agree with me that whilst this is a good album it's not a queen album and shouldnt have been called the new queen album. On the otherhand, commercially for a band thats set list that still contains the bulk of Queen songs we can also see why they decided to use the name. so, musically i agree that its lacking the sole of Queens work, i agree thats its shallower and the lyrics are terrible, I agree that Paul rodgers is good but limited but ultimately hey, its new music for us queen buffs to enjoy and pick apart and i reckon that if we try not to think about it to much then maybe we can enjoy it for what it is. The best rock album of the year. Not queens best rock album. But in a musically depressing time this is pretty bloody good stuff.
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The opinion that Hot Space was a work of an ambitious band is definitely put to an end by the bandmembers own stories abou the recording sessions, with a band drunk and drugged out of its heads most of the time, conflicts within the band and the production company and some bandmembers more interested in going clubbing than being in the studio.
And about that denial bullshit, if the only people who like this are a few die-hards in denial, who the f*ck are all the these hundreds of thousands of people going to see them in concert, many of them having a great time judging by the reviews on this site, buying the record etc.
Especially when all this "fan outrage" is lead by a few people, one of whom lied about returning the album to the store, one who wants Brian and Roger to stop their careers so that he can have some half-finished outtakes in his collection and the guy who cliams that Freddie Mercury was god. All of them have been obsessively opposed to this from the start.
For the record, I am not fanatical, driven by loyalty or anything. Something youd all know if you saw my record collection. I still like this and so does many others, respect that.
And about that denial bullshit, if the only people who like this are a few die-hards in denial, who the f*ck are all the these hundreds of thousands of people going to see them in concert, many of them having a great time judging by the reviews on this site, buying the record etc.
Especially when all this "fan outrage" is lead by a few people, one of whom lied about returning the album to the store, one who wants Brian and Roger to stop their careers so that he can have some half-finished outtakes in his collection and the guy who cliams that Freddie Mercury was god. All of them have been obsessively opposed to this from the start.
For the record, I am not fanatical, driven by loyalty or anything. Something youd all know if you saw my record collection. I still like this and so does many others, respect that.
kingogre wrote:
"And about that denial bullshit, if the only people who like this are a few die-hards in denial, who the f*ck are all the these hundreds of thousands of people going to see them in concert, many of them having a great time judging by the reviews on this site, buying the record etc."
You seem to be missing a few steps in your logical deduction here.
Just because there are people going to the concerts desn't mean that all those people are interested in buying the new album, let alone like the album.
They didn't sell 350,000 copies of the album in Ukraine did they?
Another variation of the same logical flaw can be seen in the UK situation.
100,000 sold tickets doesn't mean there are 100,000 people who love the new album... for starters it was released after all those tickets had been sold!
Where that 100,000 tickets really comes from is the amount of people who have the GH 1 and 2 albums at home. There are literally millions of such people living in the UK, and judging by the setlist that is precisely who the concerts are aimed at.
Talk about denial!
"And about that denial bullshit, if the only people who like this are a few die-hards in denial, who the f*ck are all the these hundreds of thousands of people going to see them in concert, many of them having a great time judging by the reviews on this site, buying the record etc."
You seem to be missing a few steps in your logical deduction here.
Just because there are people going to the concerts desn't mean that all those people are interested in buying the new album, let alone like the album.
They didn't sell 350,000 copies of the album in Ukraine did they?
Another variation of the same logical flaw can be seen in the UK situation.
100,000 sold tickets doesn't mean there are 100,000 people who love the new album... for starters it was released after all those tickets had been sold!
Where that 100,000 tickets really comes from is the amount of people who have the GH 1 and 2 albums at home. There are literally millions of such people living in the UK, and judging by the setlist that is precisely who the concerts are aimed at.
Talk about denial!
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kingogre wrote:
The opinion that Hot Space was a work of an ambitious band is definitely put to an end by the bandmembers own stories abou the recording sessions, with a band drunk and drugged out of its heads most of the time, conflicts within the band and the production company and some bandmembers more interested in going clubbing than being in the studio.[/QUOTE]
You mean Freddie, right? As in "the band"?
kingogre wrote:
The opinion that Hot Space was a work of an ambitious band is definitely put to an end by the bandmembers own stories abou the recording sessions, with a band drunk and drugged out of its heads most of the time, conflicts within the band and the production company and some bandmembers more interested in going clubbing than being in the studio.[/QUOTE]
You mean Freddie, right? As in "the band"?
Marcos Napier wrote:
[QUOTE] kingogre wrote: The opinion that Hot Space was a work of an ambitious band is definitely put to an end by the bandmembers own stories abou the recording sessions, with a band drunk and drugged out of its heads most of the time, conflicts within the band and the production company and some bandmembers more interested in going clubbing than being in the studio.[/QUOTE] You mean Freddie, right? As in "the band"?
I'm sure he does mean Freddie yes as I can't really see John or Brian drugged out of it can you?. Roger is of course another discussion.
But I can't help thinking that he's right. If Freddie in the early 80s had been as dedicated to queen and its music as he was to shit solo albums, drinking, drugs, clubbing and his relentless persuit of COCK then perhaps the early 80s albums may have been even better and more importantly he may even still be here today and we wouldn't have to have these stupid threads about weather queen is really queen. Or perhaps John would have retired by now anyway and everyone would be bitching about Freddie, Roger and Brian using the queen name without John
[QUOTE] kingogre wrote: The opinion that Hot Space was a work of an ambitious band is definitely put to an end by the bandmembers own stories abou the recording sessions, with a band drunk and drugged out of its heads most of the time, conflicts within the band and the production company and some bandmembers more interested in going clubbing than being in the studio.[/QUOTE] You mean Freddie, right? As in "the band"?
I'm sure he does mean Freddie yes as I can't really see John or Brian drugged out of it can you?. Roger is of course another discussion.
But I can't help thinking that he's right. If Freddie in the early 80s had been as dedicated to queen and its music as he was to shit solo albums, drinking, drugs, clubbing and his relentless persuit of COCK then perhaps the early 80s albums may have been even better and more importantly he may even still be here today and we wouldn't have to have these stupid threads about weather queen is really queen. Or perhaps John would have retired by now anyway and everyone would be bitching about Freddie, Roger and Brian using the queen name without John
This can imply that Freddie was the only one that was responsible for what the band did then (and forever, according to some). He wasn't and isn't, although he was an important part of it all. It's like saying Hot Space failed because of Freddie - or the lack of him, physically.
Marcos Napier wrote: This can imply that Freddie was the only one that was responsible for what the band did then (and forever, according to some). He wasn't and isn't, although he was an important part of it all. It's like saying Hot Space failed because of Freddie - or the lack of him, physically.
Hot Space failed because it was shit. I don't think Brian was responsible for that and neither do I think Roger was. John probably had involvement but I'm reletively sure Hot Space was a vision of Freddies and it didnt work, just look at the next album there is no comparison in style at all and Brian and Rogers writing is more prominant plus obviously John with Break Free. Freddies best track on The Works is Hard Life and thats hardly a fantastic effort is it?
Someone quite crudely put it earlier in the thread that the early 80s saw Freddie more interested in the excesses of drink, drugs and sex than queens quality of product. He/She may have put it in a crude way but he may have hit the nail on the head that not only did the bands output suffer but perhaps Freddie would still be here today and nobody would need to argue about the Paul Rodgers influence. Put thats rock n roll! Well for some!
Hot Space failed because it was shit. I don't think Brian was responsible for that and neither do I think Roger was. John probably had involvement but I'm reletively sure Hot Space was a vision of Freddies and it didnt work, just look at the next album there is no comparison in style at all and Brian and Rogers writing is more prominant plus obviously John with Break Free. Freddies best track on The Works is Hard Life and thats hardly a fantastic effort is it?
Someone quite crudely put it earlier in the thread that the early 80s saw Freddie more interested in the excesses of drink, drugs and sex than queens quality of product. He/She may have put it in a crude way but he may have hit the nail on the head that not only did the bands output suffer but perhaps Freddie would still be here today and nobody would need to argue about the Paul Rodgers influence. Put thats rock n roll! Well for some!
You're right, HS failed because it was shit. A nice try, but shit. And that's my point too. If it was mostly a Freddie's work (which I doubt), just in case Brian, Roger or John didn't have any desire to hurt Freddie's feelings and say it sucked, it seems that this can make the QPR haters to assume that TCR is bad because Freddie isn't there and that he was always the boss and the most important part in Queen blah blah, that's my other point. And it's not because of that...
Yesterday just for curiosity I was checking some of Paul's old stuff which as I've said, I'm not familiar with. And... TCR is far from his stuff as well (quality-wise and in style), mostly Free.
Yesterday just for curiosity I was checking some of Paul's old stuff which as I've said, I'm not familiar with. And... TCR is far from his stuff as well (quality-wise and in style), mostly Free.
Anyone who sees this "album" as anything more then a paycheck
is either deaf, nodding on heroin. or both. It's plain blasphemy that the Queen name
is being torn to shreds in this fashion. Im sure the man that wrote "Bohemian Rhapsody"
is rolling in his grave (or under his cherry tree) right now.
is either deaf, nodding on heroin. or both. It's plain blasphemy that the Queen name
is being torn to shreds in this fashion. Im sure the man that wrote "Bohemian Rhapsody"
is rolling in his grave (or under his cherry tree) right now.
[b]LOL!!! ROFL!!! "Blasphemy"!!!
[/b]That's so sick and so funny at the same time. Really now. Blasphemy, lol!!! [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img]
Freddie didn't see himself as God. Freddie wanted that people just have fun and enjoy the music. He thought that it was all about only "bloody records". He once said: "When I'm dead, who cares? I don't." He encouraged Brian to go on with his career while he himself was dying. And he sang a song called The Show Must Go On.
Enough said. I bet he had much more common sense than most of the QPR-haters in here...
[/b]That's so sick and so funny at the same time. Really now. Blasphemy, lol!!! [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img]
Freddie didn't see himself as God. Freddie wanted that people just have fun and enjoy the music. He thought that it was all about only "bloody records". He once said: "When I'm dead, who cares? I don't." He encouraged Brian to go on with his career while he himself was dying. And he sang a song called The Show Must Go On.
Enough said. I bet he had much more common sense than most of the QPR-haters in here...
Ronald...kind words for Queen specially for Freddie!theyre human like anybody else...
Stop being unrespectful to Freddie ..face it that Queen without Freddie is like a porche car that no driver can drive it!!!! thats from Elton John comment.
We love Queen no doubt and NO ONE in this world can fill his shoe
We love Queen no doubt and NO ONE in this world can fill his shoe
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[b]fmarsong wrote: [/b]
Stop being unrespectful to Freddie ..face it that Queen without Freddie is like a porche car that no driver can drive it!!!! thats from Elton John comment.
We love Queen no doubt and NO ONE in this world can fill his shoe[/QUOTE]
Well, you guys should stop being disrespectful to Queen as a band in the first place and stop seeing it as Freddie's personal band or something similar. Before you make claims that other people be respectful to Freddie.
Elton John of course is entitled to his own opinion. So are you. And so am I. And so are all the users on QZ forum. I do not agree with Elton John's take, although it was a nice metaphor at the time he said it. I don't think that Freddie was the driver of Queen, my opinion is that the other three members were just as important as Freddie was. Queen just doesn't need any driver, because the music of Queen in itself is their driving force.
Paul Rodgers is doing a good job. Not trying to fill in Freddie's shoes. He and the other two guys repeatedly stated that Paul is not replacing Freddie and is just being himself, but some people are too deaf to hear it and too blind to read it, it seems! Some of you might not like the result of the collaboration. Some of us do like the output (the tours, the new album, the live downloads, the DVD etc.). Each of the two sides are entitled to their own opinion. And each one of us needs to respect the others' opinions. But, alas, this seldom happens on QZ!!!
I love Queen no doubt too, rest assured. I love Freddie a lot, he means so much to me, due to him I became a very gay-friendly person and ultimately ended up as a gay rights activist in my country. But first and foremost, I love the music of Queen, that one music that changed my life in so many ways. I can only be glad that the music is still alive. And I am glad that I managed to attend one of the shows. I think that one can love both Queen's output with Freddie and Queen's output with Paul. They're not mutually exclusive. And I reckon that a few people might like more Queen + Paul Rodgers than the old Queen. The planet is huge and no doubt there are at least a few people who feel this way. As I said, there is huge need for respecting each other's opinions in the Queen fans' community...
[b]fmarsong wrote: [/b]
Stop being unrespectful to Freddie ..face it that Queen without Freddie is like a porche car that no driver can drive it!!!! thats from Elton John comment.
We love Queen no doubt and NO ONE in this world can fill his shoe[/QUOTE]
Well, you guys should stop being disrespectful to Queen as a band in the first place and stop seeing it as Freddie's personal band or something similar. Before you make claims that other people be respectful to Freddie.
Elton John of course is entitled to his own opinion. So are you. And so am I. And so are all the users on QZ forum. I do not agree with Elton John's take, although it was a nice metaphor at the time he said it. I don't think that Freddie was the driver of Queen, my opinion is that the other three members were just as important as Freddie was. Queen just doesn't need any driver, because the music of Queen in itself is their driving force.
Paul Rodgers is doing a good job. Not trying to fill in Freddie's shoes. He and the other two guys repeatedly stated that Paul is not replacing Freddie and is just being himself, but some people are too deaf to hear it and too blind to read it, it seems! Some of you might not like the result of the collaboration. Some of us do like the output (the tours, the new album, the live downloads, the DVD etc.). Each of the two sides are entitled to their own opinion. And each one of us needs to respect the others' opinions. But, alas, this seldom happens on QZ!!!
I love Queen no doubt too, rest assured. I love Freddie a lot, he means so much to me, due to him I became a very gay-friendly person and ultimately ended up as a gay rights activist in my country. But first and foremost, I love the music of Queen, that one music that changed my life in so many ways. I can only be glad that the music is still alive. And I am glad that I managed to attend one of the shows. I think that one can love both Queen's output with Freddie and Queen's output with Paul. They're not mutually exclusive. And I reckon that a few people might like more Queen + Paul Rodgers than the old Queen. The planet is huge and no doubt there are at least a few people who feel this way. As I said, there is huge need for respecting each other's opinions in the Queen fans' community...