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[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
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[b]KillerQueen840 wrote: [/b]
You've got to be kidding me, ThomasQuinn.
I'm automatically violent because I like shotting clay pidgeons? I don't even hunt animals.
I think that's hilarious.
I never harmed a person in my life and I never will unless my life is threatened.
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Three points:
1) Posession of firearms lowers the threshold for the use of violence, as does shooting for 'sport' (funny, I thought sports had something to do with physical exertion rather than useless violence).
2) The more widespread possession of firearms is, the easier it is for violent characters to obtain guns (think, for instance, of burglary. Some gang could easily steal your guns and have some fun with them).
3) Lethal weapons are not toys.
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I have no problem with guns being kept for sport/leisure activity purposes as long as it's not hunting.
Of course, as Jessica mentioned no animals are hurt, so what can possibly be wrong with shooting a non-living target that is no one's possession but your own?
However, I have to say that increasing sales of firearms comes with risks. While there are many individuals like Jessica who make an effort to be responsible when it comes to using firearms, there are also people who will misuse guns by unintentionally (or in the worst case intentionally) hurting someone or an animal.
Therefore calling Jessica a [b]"violent lunatic" [/b]is just as ignorant as calling anyone who drinks a beer a [b]"deranged alcoholic"[/b].
Back to the topic of raising taxes on guns and ammo. I think there's a place for everything.
If people want to shoot as a harmless pastime, then they can go to a shooting range where guns are kept in safe location, and people are told how to use them safely.
I'd be against raising taxes on ammo or renting guns for use in a shooting range.
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[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
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[b]KillerQueen840 wrote: [/b]
You've got to be kidding me, ThomasQuinn.
I'm automatically violent because I like shotting clay pidgeons? I don't even hunt animals.
I think that's hilarious.
I never harmed a person in my life and I never will unless my life is threatened.
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Three points:
1) Posession of firearms lowers the threshold for the use of violence, as does shooting for 'sport' (funny, I thought sports had something to do with physical exertion rather than useless violence).
2) The more widespread possession of firearms is, the easier it is for violent characters to obtain guns (think, for instance, of burglary. Some gang could easily steal your guns and have some fun with them).
3) Lethal weapons are not toys.
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Even if all that were true it doesn't justify you caling someone who target shoots, a "violent lunatic". You need to get a bit of perspective.
[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
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[b]KillerQueen840 wrote: [/b]
You've got to be kidding me, ThomasQuinn.
I'm automatically violent because I like shotting clay pidgeons? I don't even hunt animals.
I think that's hilarious.
I never harmed a person in my life and I never will unless my life is threatened.
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Three points:
1) Posession of firearms lowers the threshold for the use of violence, as does shooting for 'sport' (funny, I thought sports had something to do with physical exertion rather than useless violence).
2) The more widespread possession of firearms is, the easier it is for violent characters to obtain guns (think, for instance, of burglary. Some gang could easily steal your guns and have some fun with them).
3) Lethal weapons are not toys.
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Even if all that were true it doesn't justify you caling someone who target shoots, a "violent lunatic". You need to get a bit of perspective.
Guns are weapons, not toys. They are designed to kill. Therefore, anyone who enjoys using guns enjoys the activity of using lethal force on an object or creature. I call that sick.
I agree with Casper. Also, I genuinely don't understand how it's legal for people to walk into a shop and buy a gun in the US. It just seems so odd to me. I find it baffling.
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[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
Guns are weapons, not toys. They are designed to kill. Therefore, anyone who enjoys using guns enjoys the activity of using lethal force on an object or creature. I call that sick.
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How can you use "lethal force" on an object? I call that idiotic.
[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
Guns are weapons, not toys. They are designed to kill. Therefore, anyone who enjoys using guns enjoys the activity of using lethal force on an object or creature. I call that sick.
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How can you use "lethal force" on an object? I call that idiotic.
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[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
I genuinely don't understand how it's legal for people to walk into a shop and buy a gun in the US. It just seems so odd to me. I find it baffling.[/QUOTE]
[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
I genuinely don't understand how it's legal for people to walk into a shop and buy a gun in the US. It just seems so odd to me. I find it baffling.[/QUOTE]
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[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
I agree with Casper. Also, I genuinely don't understand how it's legal for people to walk into a shop and buy a gun in the US. It just seems so odd to me. I find it baffling. [/QUOTE]
They have the right to bear arms
The sad thing is, they throw the rest of the bear away
[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
I agree with Casper. Also, I genuinely don't understand how it's legal for people to walk into a shop and buy a gun in the US. It just seems so odd to me. I find it baffling. [/QUOTE]
They have the right to bear arms
The sad thing is, they throw the rest of the bear away
There's a good George Harrison quote on this very topic; unfortunately the gun owners here would probably get offended or something ridiculous if it gets repeated.
He had a point, though.
He had a point, though.
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[b]ThomasQuinn wrote: [/b]
Guns are weapons, not toys. They are designed to kill. Therefore, anyone who enjoys using guns enjoys the activity of using lethal force on an object or creature. I call that sick.
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If they are designed to kill, then what could be wrong with using them for something that is [b]not[/b] to kill?
We could say the exact same thing about shooting with a bow and arrow. In ancient times they were designed to to kill animals or people in a battlefield. Nowdays, archery is mostly considered a sport.
Caspar and Freya, both of you have huge issues when it comes to political correctness. Not every single person who shoots a non-living object is going to go on a shooting rampage. That's why I mentioned why shooting ranges are places where people can enjoy shooting as a form of sport or entertainment. Guns are kept locked and safe from any common individual taking them out of the facility.
I would like to see both of you argue how it was wrong for Nintendo to promote killing ducks.
Oh yeah, and let's not forget as well that the dog laughing when missing the shot can hurt children's self esteem.
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[b]Mr.Jingles wrote:[/b]
Not every single person who shoots a non-living object is going to go on a shooting rampage.
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To turn that around for a sec, though; how many people who have gone on shooting rampages have shot non-living objects?
Ha-ha!
[b]Mr.Jingles wrote:[/b]
Not every single person who shoots a non-living object is going to go on a shooting rampage.
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To turn that around for a sec, though; how many people who have gone on shooting rampages have shot non-living objects?
Ha-ha!
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[b]its_a_hard_life wrote: [/b]
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[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
I genuinely don't understand how it's legal for people to walk into a shop and buy a gun in the US. It just seems so odd to me. I find it baffling.
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People in the US cannot just walk into a shop and buy a gun.
First, they must complete a training course and obtain a certificate. Then they apply for an FID card with their local police department. In many places, obtaining an FID card can take a LONG time. Weeks adn weekds, some places months.
Also, just because you complete the course and get yoru certificate...doesn't mean you automatically get your FID card. You must go through an extensive...REAL extensive background search, that's why it takes so long. If you have any record with the police at all where the police took your name, you cannot get an FID card. If you have any mental illness such as depression, you cannot get one either.
There is a strict procedure. It's not like walking into a candy shop.
Also, you must keep renewing your FID card.
When you purchase a gun, it takes a long time, too. You sit there for at least 30 minutes while they take your finger prints, call the directory to do a background check on you and see if your crime record is clean. A lot of paperwork is also involved.
[b]its_a_hard_life wrote: [/b]
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[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
I genuinely don't understand how it's legal for people to walk into a shop and buy a gun in the US. It just seems so odd to me. I find it baffling.
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People in the US cannot just walk into a shop and buy a gun.
First, they must complete a training course and obtain a certificate. Then they apply for an FID card with their local police department. In many places, obtaining an FID card can take a LONG time. Weeks adn weekds, some places months.
Also, just because you complete the course and get yoru certificate...doesn't mean you automatically get your FID card. You must go through an extensive...REAL extensive background search, that's why it takes so long. If you have any record with the police at all where the police took your name, you cannot get an FID card. If you have any mental illness such as depression, you cannot get one either.
There is a strict procedure. It's not like walking into a candy shop.
Also, you must keep renewing your FID card.
When you purchase a gun, it takes a long time, too. You sit there for at least 30 minutes while they take your finger prints, call the directory to do a background check on you and see if your crime record is clean. A lot of paperwork is also involved.
Also...I apologize for that gigantic spacious post. I went back to edit a couple of times and it got beefed up with even more space.