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[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]
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[b]Lester Burnham wrote:[/b]
- The Who are doing tours in the States because they toured the States every year or so up until they disbanded. Queen gave up on the States in 1982, and the States gave up on them shortly thereafter. Very much a different story.
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Glad to see you got such a charge out of that! I don't understand what you're disputing.
And The Who's Farewell Tour was in 1982.
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So the States gave up on Queen after 82, but not The Who......
Seeing you researched the facts about me being "partly" right re a failed Who Tour, why not disprove my contention that "Endless Wire" has outsold "TCR" too?
It was sold as The Who. Daltrey said it was his band (to much amusement), but it wasn't the media selling it as The Who, it was Daltrey and Simon Townshend.
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So far I've yet to see an actual credible piece of constructive criticism from you, Ken, to support why you don't like TCR or the QPR project. Which is typical for trolls, really.[/QUOTE]
How fucking ridiculous. You come up with nothing but "Well, I liked it" and crap like "Church Of Freddie" & "Popularity doesn't equal good songs. Never" or some sort of nonsense.
Again, talk about living in fantasyland.
You know, anyone posting comments about "Church On Freddie" crap on a QUEEN FORUM should look a little closer to home when it comes to calling other people Trolls.
Beyond pathetic. And you claim to be in your twenties???
[b]inu-liger wrote: [/b]
So far I've yet to see an actual credible piece of constructive criticism from you, Ken, to support why you don't like TCR or the QPR project. Which is typical for trolls, really.[/QUOTE]
How fucking ridiculous. You come up with nothing but "Well, I liked it" and crap like "Church Of Freddie" & "Popularity doesn't equal good songs. Never" or some sort of nonsense.
Again, talk about living in fantasyland.
You know, anyone posting comments about "Church On Freddie" crap on a QUEEN FORUM should look a little closer to home when it comes to calling other people Trolls.
Beyond pathetic. And you claim to be in your twenties???
Here's a concept: Instead of relying on others to do your work for you out of laziness, why don't YOU find credible, up-to-date sources to back up your claims regarding record sales figures?
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Beyond pathetic. And you claim to be in your twenties???
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How old are you yourself?
Honestly.
[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]
Beyond pathetic. And you claim to be in your twenties???
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How old are you yourself?
Honestly.
Asks the person who can't do any better than label people trolls for sticking to the FACTS!
Just browsing quickly and it appears "TCR" has sold about 250,000 units world wide, which to be fair is better than I would've expected, though still dismal for an international act like "Queen". To put things into perspective though, "Made In Heaven" appears to have outsold that number, in Hong Kong alone.
Endless Wire sold over 80,000 units in the US alone in it's first week, and by the end of 2006 had sold over 210,000 copies, and that's just in the US remember!
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:kAZoQAGqfooJ:www.bpi.co.uk/members/pdf/Stats/British_Music_USA_2006.pdf+endless+wire+total+sales&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=au&client=firefox-a
There is a valid reason why The Who still headline the States, and why Queen+PR look like they'll be lucky if they score support slot for Journey, if they tour at all. Don't ever think it's only because I say so.
Let's stick to the facts, as hard as they are for ALL of us to stomach.
Just browsing quickly and it appears "TCR" has sold about 250,000 units world wide, which to be fair is better than I would've expected, though still dismal for an international act like "Queen". To put things into perspective though, "Made In Heaven" appears to have outsold that number, in Hong Kong alone.
Endless Wire sold over 80,000 units in the US alone in it's first week, and by the end of 2006 had sold over 210,000 copies, and that's just in the US remember!
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:kAZoQAGqfooJ:www.bpi.co.uk/members/pdf/Stats/British_Music_USA_2006.pdf+endless+wire+total+sales&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=au&client=firefox-a
There is a valid reason why The Who still headline the States, and why Queen+PR look like they'll be lucky if they score support slot for Journey, if they tour at all. Don't ever think it's only because I say so.
Let's stick to the facts, as hard as they are for ALL of us to stomach.
Another great thread guys!
Cheers Zebonka :-P
Lol! Yeah, and I was wondering what I was going to do on my holidays.....
What does get me heated is that the failure of "TCR" in the eyes of the general public goes some way in perpetuating the myth that without Freddie, Queen were/are not much.
Of course all of us "fans" know different, but the guys themselves haven't really helped us out here.
And despite a concerted effort to recapture the States, going so far as appearing on "Idol", that doesn't seem to have amounted to much now either.
What does get me heated is that the failure of "TCR" in the eyes of the general public goes some way in perpetuating the myth that without Freddie, Queen were/are not much.
Of course all of us "fans" know different, but the guys themselves haven't really helped us out here.
And despite a concerted effort to recapture the States, going so far as appearing on "Idol", that doesn't seem to have amounted to much now either.
Queen would do well, first of all, to sack their management and 'promotional' team.
Second of all, it would REALLY help if they'd actually *listen* to their fans and give them what they *reallllllllly* want.
Singles Collection box = DO NOT WANT
Rarities boxset = DO WANT
Brian are you listening?? :-P
Second of all, it would REALLY help if they'd actually *listen* to their fans and give them what they *reallllllllly* want.
Singles Collection box = DO NOT WANT
Rarities boxset = DO WANT
Brian are you listening?? :-P
"Just browsing quickly and it appears "TCR" has sold about 250,000 units world wide, which to be fair is better than I would've expected, though still dismal for an international act like "Queen". To put things into perspective though, "Made In Heaven" appears to have outsold that number, in Hong Kong alone."
- To be fair, MIH has been Queen's best-selling studio album ever, so I think it'd be unfair to compare TCR to that. It'd be more fair to compare TCR to, say, Queen At The Beeb in terms of sales, as that's really the only album it's outsold.
"Endless Wire sold over 80,000 units in the US alone in it's first week, and by the end of 2006 had sold over 210,000 copies, and that's just in the US remember!"
- Thanks for the numbers. I knew EW sold more than TCR, I just wanted to see some numbers. I think it also has to do with The Who having more of an appeal in the US, and more street / journalist cred, plus better promotion from their management and record company. Not saying that TCR is perfect – far from it – but the record company should really have promoted the album far better than it actually did; TV appearances, interviews, print media, the whole shebang. It may be a shitty record to some people, and to be honest I was skeptical of it at first, but even the shittiest pile of shit could shift more units than TCR ended up shifting. QPR had all the odds against them, and the lack of record company support certainly didn't help.
"There is a valid reason why The Who still headline the States, and why Queen+PR look like they'll be lucky if they score support slot for Journey, if they tour at all. Don't ever think it's only because I say so."
- Oh I know that. I doubt QPR will go on for much longer after this, if at all. I believe they played their last gigs last month, and life will return to normal for Brian (working on about a million projects at once), Roger (lounging on a yacht somewhere in the Mediterranean), and Paul (going on a solo tour, maybe hooking up with Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr for The Beatles + Paul Rodgers). I'd be REALLY surprised if there was a QPR US tour.
"What does get me heated is that the failure of "TCR" in the eyes of the general public goes some way in perpetuating the myth that without Freddie, Queen were/are not much.
Of course all of us "fans" know different, but the guys themselves haven't really helped us out here."
- Not sure what you mean here, but I think that while Freddie was an integral part of Queen, and his absence works hard against QPR, Freddie wasn't all that successful without the others, either. (In fact, LOLSOS peaked at #6 in the UK, while TCR hit #5. But, I don't know how much LOLSOS sold ... probably not very much.) What Brian and Roger and Paul should have done was to go out as their own band, with a new name, play some smaller venues, abandon the theatrics and the light shows and all that, and that would have freed them from the restrictions that playing under the Queen banner would have.
"And despite a concerted effort to recapture the States, going so far as appearing on "Idol", that doesn't seem to have amounted to much now either."
- To be fair, TCR hit #47 in the US, which is absolutely astonishing, considering the lack of marketing. But as I mentioned above, I'd be surprised if QPR toured the US.
- To be fair, MIH has been Queen's best-selling studio album ever, so I think it'd be unfair to compare TCR to that. It'd be more fair to compare TCR to, say, Queen At The Beeb in terms of sales, as that's really the only album it's outsold.
"Endless Wire sold over 80,000 units in the US alone in it's first week, and by the end of 2006 had sold over 210,000 copies, and that's just in the US remember!"
- Thanks for the numbers. I knew EW sold more than TCR, I just wanted to see some numbers. I think it also has to do with The Who having more of an appeal in the US, and more street / journalist cred, plus better promotion from their management and record company. Not saying that TCR is perfect – far from it – but the record company should really have promoted the album far better than it actually did; TV appearances, interviews, print media, the whole shebang. It may be a shitty record to some people, and to be honest I was skeptical of it at first, but even the shittiest pile of shit could shift more units than TCR ended up shifting. QPR had all the odds against them, and the lack of record company support certainly didn't help.
"There is a valid reason why The Who still headline the States, and why Queen+PR look like they'll be lucky if they score support slot for Journey, if they tour at all. Don't ever think it's only because I say so."
- Oh I know that. I doubt QPR will go on for much longer after this, if at all. I believe they played their last gigs last month, and life will return to normal for Brian (working on about a million projects at once), Roger (lounging on a yacht somewhere in the Mediterranean), and Paul (going on a solo tour, maybe hooking up with Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr for The Beatles + Paul Rodgers). I'd be REALLY surprised if there was a QPR US tour.
"What does get me heated is that the failure of "TCR" in the eyes of the general public goes some way in perpetuating the myth that without Freddie, Queen were/are not much.
Of course all of us "fans" know different, but the guys themselves haven't really helped us out here."
- Not sure what you mean here, but I think that while Freddie was an integral part of Queen, and his absence works hard against QPR, Freddie wasn't all that successful without the others, either. (In fact, LOLSOS peaked at #6 in the UK, while TCR hit #5. But, I don't know how much LOLSOS sold ... probably not very much.) What Brian and Roger and Paul should have done was to go out as their own band, with a new name, play some smaller venues, abandon the theatrics and the light shows and all that, and that would have freed them from the restrictions that playing under the Queen banner would have.
"And despite a concerted effort to recapture the States, going so far as appearing on "Idol", that doesn't seem to have amounted to much now either."
- To be fair, TCR hit #47 in the US, which is absolutely astonishing, considering the lack of marketing. But as I mentioned above, I'd be surprised if QPR toured the US.
Wow.
After all these numbers and facts, this completly changes everything. I was totally off and misled by 'good 'ol days' syndrome. By God, the numbers just don't lie.
I'm so glad we have "numbers" out there qualifying what is and what is not good music. I would be very difficult to actually listen to an album for myself to determine whether I like it or not. And then when I put my "I'd rather be listening to" bumper sticker on, I can feel so damned important that I am the voice of reason in this world of musical idiocy.
After all these numbers and facts, this completly changes everything. I was totally off and misled by 'good 'ol days' syndrome. By God, the numbers just don't lie.
I'm so glad we have "numbers" out there qualifying what is and what is not good music. I would be very difficult to actually listen to an album for myself to determine whether I like it or not. And then when I put my "I'd rather be listening to" bumper sticker on, I can feel so damned important that I am the voice of reason in this world of musical idiocy.
Just because TCR doesn't sell very well, doesn't make the album bad. Basically like when people say they don't like Freddie because "he's gay", it doesn't make him a bad singer.
BTW- The Cosmos Rocks did get number 1 in one country ;)
BTW- The Cosmos Rocks did get number 1 in one country ;)
I am pleasantly surprised that this turned out to be a good thread and there is some discussion going on. I am also happy that it is Queen fans discussing a Queen record with new material for the first time in 13 years and a new "Queen+" tour in more time than that and this has been going on for some months now.
I like The Cosmos Rocks. I certainly like it more than Paul Rodgers singing old Queen, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. It is all down to personal taste in the end.
It is a shame that the album was poorly promoted almost everywhere. It could have sold SO MUCH BETTER, but really, who cares?
Yes, I would prefer Queen made it big everywhere but those days are over and it is not necesarily a disgrace. They are old now.
I am very glad that they took the risk of putting and album out and I really hope they see this as a step in the right direction and not a setback; as a new beginning, not the end. I wish they commit to making the best album they can, actually writing together and really taking time to do it properly.
I like The Cosmos Rocks. I certainly like it more than Paul Rodgers singing old Queen, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. It is all down to personal taste in the end.
It is a shame that the album was poorly promoted almost everywhere. It could have sold SO MUCH BETTER, but really, who cares?
Yes, I would prefer Queen made it big everywhere but those days are over and it is not necesarily a disgrace. They are old now.
I am very glad that they took the risk of putting and album out and I really hope they see this as a step in the right direction and not a setback; as a new beginning, not the end. I wish they commit to making the best album they can, actually writing together and really taking time to do it properly.
But it's the chicken and the egg, Wiley. Queen are arguably among the top 5 bands of all time in the world, probably second only to the Beatles in popularity in all areas other than North America. The record industry is floundering like never before trying to serve up new acts that have no staying power. So if you have a Queen record, the first one since hte death of their iconic frontman, why would you bury it? God knows that Queen product keeps EMI execs in bonus money every year, so people want to buy Queen. Unless you're a Queen apologist, the answer is obvious why they wouldn't throw their money at it: the music is horrible. It betrays everythign Queen stood for, it's pedestrian, warmed over, cliched riddled rock that veers heavily to embarassing. Which in itself is still fine, if there was a killer song or two or three. The songs that people list as the best on the album, Call Me, Still Burnin' and SINT would never, ever, ever have been pitched or got a seconds worth of discussion during the period from Queen to Jazz, maybe even The Game, because they're not strong enough songs. Now though, Brian and Roger have no quality control, witness bad product decisions, inferior artwork and packaging, and that has extended to their song writing. The greatest sin of all is that the album is mercilessly boring. Brian harps about people who want him and Roger "to fade away or die" if they're opposed to the use of the Queen name. He even writes a song about old rockers still having something to say. But all that QPR have to say is a bunch of mid-speed plodding songs with the worst Queen lyrics ever. Of course they wouldn't have sold 10,000 albums without the Queen brand. I've heard it online a few times, and find it horrible, almost like Bad Company which in itself is a crime against humanity, or at least the Queen name. But if they had great killer songs, I'd have scooped it up the second it was in the shops. It's a bad, bad album, undeserving of the Queen name, so maybe that's why there's been no promotion.
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b]
But it's the chicken and the egg, Wiley. Queen are arguably among the top 5 bands of all time in the world, probably second only to the Beatles in popularity in all areas other than North America. The record industry is floundering like never before trying to serve up new acts that have no staying power. So if you have a Queen record, the first one since hte death of their iconic frontman, why would you bury it? God knows that Queen product keeps EMI execs in bonus money every year, so people want to buy Queen. Unless you're a Queen apologist, the answer is obvious why they wouldn't throw their money at it: the music is horrible. It betrays everythign Queen stood for, it's pedestrian, warmed over, cliched riddled rock that veers heavily to embarassing. Which in itself is still fine, if there was a killer song or two or three. The songs that people list as the best on the album, Call Me, Still Burnin' and SINT would never, ever, ever have been pitched or got a seconds worth of discussion during the period from Queen to Jazz, maybe even The Game, because they're not strong enough songs. Now though, Brian and Roger have no quality control, witness bad product decisions, inferior artwork and packaging, and that has extended to their song writing. The greatest sin of all is that the album is mercilessly boring. Brian harps about people who want him and Roger "to fade away or die" if they're opposed to the use of the Queen name. He even writes a song about old rockers still having something to say. But all that QPR have to say is a bunch of mid-speed plodding songs with the worst Queen lyrics ever. Of course they wouldn't have sold 10,000 albums without the Queen brand. I've heard it online a few times, and find it horrible, almost like Bad Company which in itself is a crime against humanity, or at least the Queen name. But if they had great killer songs, I'd have scooped it up the second it was in the shops. It's a bad, bad album, undeserving of the Queen name, so maybe that's why there's been no promotion. [/QUOTE]
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b]
But it's the chicken and the egg, Wiley. Queen are arguably among the top 5 bands of all time in the world, probably second only to the Beatles in popularity in all areas other than North America. The record industry is floundering like never before trying to serve up new acts that have no staying power. So if you have a Queen record, the first one since hte death of their iconic frontman, why would you bury it? God knows that Queen product keeps EMI execs in bonus money every year, so people want to buy Queen. Unless you're a Queen apologist, the answer is obvious why they wouldn't throw their money at it: the music is horrible. It betrays everythign Queen stood for, it's pedestrian, warmed over, cliched riddled rock that veers heavily to embarassing. Which in itself is still fine, if there was a killer song or two or three. The songs that people list as the best on the album, Call Me, Still Burnin' and SINT would never, ever, ever have been pitched or got a seconds worth of discussion during the period from Queen to Jazz, maybe even The Game, because they're not strong enough songs. Now though, Brian and Roger have no quality control, witness bad product decisions, inferior artwork and packaging, and that has extended to their song writing. The greatest sin of all is that the album is mercilessly boring. Brian harps about people who want him and Roger "to fade away or die" if they're opposed to the use of the Queen name. He even writes a song about old rockers still having something to say. But all that QPR have to say is a bunch of mid-speed plodding songs with the worst Queen lyrics ever. Of course they wouldn't have sold 10,000 albums without the Queen brand. I've heard it online a few times, and find it horrible, almost like Bad Company which in itself is a crime against humanity, or at least the Queen name. But if they had great killer songs, I'd have scooped it up the second it was in the shops. It's a bad, bad album, undeserving of the Queen name, so maybe that's why there's been no promotion. [/QUOTE]
In your opinion.