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[b]Pim Derks wrote: [/b]
Better than Freddie pre-1982? No way. Better than Freddie post-1982? Hell yeah. I don't think Tie Your Mother Down has ever sounded this good in the last 25 years.
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I can only agree with this, even when I think they play TYMD too slow now
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I see Pitrrek´s point, and agree in some ways. I love Freddie, we all love Freddie, Freddie was amazing, even when his voice was not at its best, only his stage presence, power and charisma made him unbeatable !
BUT .... (I´m gonna be called Heretic #2 now), when I listen to Paul singing TSMGO, for instance, the first time I heard his line "Still stays oooooon!" I thought "WOW!!", and the same with the "rich or poor ..." line in HTF ... and the same with the WATC chorus (wich sounded really awful w/o Paul bringing the high note in 2005, as Rog´s voice isn´t the same as in 1986 - and he was Freddie´s support in this song). Paul has been hitting the high notes in the WATC chorus during TCR Tour, not Jaimie, Spike or Danny ....
I see Pitrrek´s point, and agree in some ways. I love Freddie, we all love Freddie, Freddie was amazing, even when his voice was not at its best, only his stage presence, power and charisma made him unbeatable !
BUT .... (I´m gonna be called Heretic #2 now), when I listen to Paul singing TSMGO, for instance, the first time I heard his line "Still stays oooooon!" I thought "WOW!!", and the same with the "rich or poor ..." line in HTF ... and the same with the WATC chorus (wich sounded really awful w/o Paul bringing the high note in 2005, as Rog´s voice isn´t the same as in 1986 - and he was Freddie´s support in this song). Paul has been hitting the high notes in the WATC chorus during TCR Tour, not Jaimie, Spike or Danny ....
I totally disagree about WATC. For me it's a winner song, a fist-in-the-air "take that " song but Paul Rodgers turns it into a whining, male Mariah Carey type (why sing one note when I can sing seven) song which I loathe. For similar reasons I dislike the slow HTF version Brian introduced in 1998. One of the most powerful Queen rock songs turned into a depressive, whining loser song.
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[b]clifton wrote: [/b]
No.... although due to less risk taking vocally than Fred (Live) I would say Paul is at less risk of tuning problems. Plus paul only sings for around 3 quarters of a gig, Personally i prefer Freds awesome power and risk taking. Also Fred was far more versitile as a vocalist....[/QUOTE]
Versatility ok, but Freddie taking risks, vocally? Perhaps in the studio, when he knew that he could re-do the take, but not live.
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No.... although due to less risk taking vocally than Fred (Live) I would say Paul is at less risk of tuning problems. Plus paul only sings for around 3 quarters of a gig, Personally i prefer Freds awesome power and risk taking. Also Fred was far more versitile as a vocalist....[/QUOTE]
Versatility ok, but Freddie taking risks, vocally? Perhaps in the studio, when he knew that he could re-do the take, but not live.
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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
I totally disagree about WATC. For me it's a winner song, a fist-in-the-air "take that " song but Paul Rodgers turns it into a whining, male Mariah Carey type (why sing one note when I can sing seven) song which I loathe. For similar reasons I dislike the slow HTF version Brian introduced in 1998. One of the most powerful Queen rock songs turned into a depressive, whining loser song.[/QUOTE]
Agree 100% :)
[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
I totally disagree about WATC. For me it's a winner song, a fist-in-the-air "take that " song but Paul Rodgers turns it into a whining, male Mariah Carey type (why sing one note when I can sing seven) song which I loathe. For similar reasons I dislike the slow HTF version Brian introduced in 1998. One of the most powerful Queen rock songs turned into a depressive, whining loser song.[/QUOTE]
Agree 100% :)
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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
I totally disagree about WATC. For me it's a winner song, a fist-in-the-air "take that " song but Paul Rodgers turns it into a whining, male Mariah Carey type (why sing one note when I can sing seven) song which I loathe. For similar reasons I dislike the slow HTF version Brian introduced in 1998. One of the most powerful Queen rock songs turned into a depressive, whining loser song.[/QUOTE]
Interesting points. I fully agree about HTF, the slow version is pretty boring. I don't 100% agree about WATC, the truth is that the band plays it slower now, but I was only comparing the "vocal performances"
[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
I totally disagree about WATC. For me it's a winner song, a fist-in-the-air "take that " song but Paul Rodgers turns it into a whining, male Mariah Carey type (why sing one note when I can sing seven) song which I loathe. For similar reasons I dislike the slow HTF version Brian introduced in 1998. One of the most powerful Queen rock songs turned into a depressive, whining loser song.[/QUOTE]
Interesting points. I fully agree about HTF, the slow version is pretty boring. I don't 100% agree about WATC, the truth is that the band plays it slower now, but I was only comparing the "vocal performances"
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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
I totally disagree about WATC. For me it's a winner song, a fist-in-the-air "take that " song but Paul Rodgers turns it into a whining, male Mariah Carey type (why sing one note when I can sing seven) song which I loathe. For similar reasons I dislike the slow HTF version Brian introduced in 1998. One of the most powerful Queen rock songs turned into a depressive, whining loser song.
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Agree 100% :)
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Agree 200% !
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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b]
I totally disagree about WATC. For me it's a winner song, a fist-in-the-air "take that " song but Paul Rodgers turns it into a whining, male Mariah Carey type (why sing one note when I can sing seven) song which I loathe. For similar reasons I dislike the slow HTF version Brian introduced in 1998. One of the most powerful Queen rock songs turned into a depressive, whining loser song.
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Agree 100% :)
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Agree 200% !
NO ONE can sing anything better than Freddie.. FACT!
[b]pittrek wrote: [/b]
I don't 100% agree about WATC, the truth is that the band plays it slower now, but I was only comparing the "vocal performances"
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It's of course totally a matter of taste.I think the band plays it slower because PR wants to perform it like he performs it.
When Freddie performed WATC he exuded that incredible power ALTOUGH he played the piano during the first half of the song and ALTHOUGH he was hoarse and exhausted and his voice failed him more than once. This power spread to the audience and WATC was a climax of the concert with a high emotional component. It brought band and audience together in a feeling of joy and accomplishment.
When PR performs WATC he conveys the feeling : "all children go home now". It's a downer rather than uplifting. In my opinion, of course. It simply does not have that emotional boost Freddie used to lend to this song. Up to this very day my hair stands up when I hear Freddie sing that line "I've had my share of sand kicked in my face - but I've come through" on stage and you can feel how people can relate to that. Even on the worst old audience recording this power is still there.. When PR performs it people start sorting their things and get ready to leave. Okay, maybe not all of them:)
I don't 100% agree about WATC, the truth is that the band plays it slower now, but I was only comparing the "vocal performances"
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It's of course totally a matter of taste.I think the band plays it slower because PR wants to perform it like he performs it.
When Freddie performed WATC he exuded that incredible power ALTOUGH he played the piano during the first half of the song and ALTHOUGH he was hoarse and exhausted and his voice failed him more than once. This power spread to the audience and WATC was a climax of the concert with a high emotional component. It brought band and audience together in a feeling of joy and accomplishment.
When PR performs WATC he conveys the feeling : "all children go home now". It's a downer rather than uplifting. In my opinion, of course. It simply does not have that emotional boost Freddie used to lend to this song. Up to this very day my hair stands up when I hear Freddie sing that line "I've had my share of sand kicked in my face - but I've come through" on stage and you can feel how people can relate to that. Even on the worst old audience recording this power is still there.. When PR performs it people start sorting their things and get ready to leave. Okay, maybe not all of them:)
Fred used to murder 'I want to break free' on stage. Having said that, I don't think paul rodgers can sing it like the recorded version either.
Rodgers does some songs well because they suit his voice (like TSMGO) and others less well because they are less suitable. The less suitable songs are played live only because they are 'hits'. He doesn't do any version of Queen's original catalogue better than Fred. However, he stands out on the TCR tracks because they were specifically written for him. I think the FM Tribute concert proved just how good a singer Fred was, with ony one or two artists doing decent cover versions and most sounding like a bag of cats in a washing machine.
Rodgers does some songs well because they suit his voice (like TSMGO) and others less well because they are less suitable. The less suitable songs are played live only because they are 'hits'. He doesn't do any version of Queen's original catalogue better than Fred. However, he stands out on the TCR tracks because they were specifically written for him. I think the FM Tribute concert proved just how good a singer Fred was, with ony one or two artists doing decent cover versions and most sounding like a bag of cats in a washing machine.
[i]Radio Gaga better than Live Aid od Manheimm?impossible!if Paul is such a gooood singer may be he should do Somebody to Love and do it better than Milton Keynes 82 or Who Wants To Live Forever better than any show from the Magic Tour and then I would say that he is better than Freddie.[/i]
Not sure if "better" would be the right word, but Paul does make Dragon Attack and Fat Bottomed Girls sound much cooler.
I used to dislike his version of I Want To Break Free, but nowadays I have to confess I like his way of singing it... It makes the song sound less "pop-ish" and a bit more rock oriented.
I used to dislike his version of I Want To Break Free, but nowadays I have to confess I like his way of singing it... It makes the song sound less "pop-ish" and a bit more rock oriented.
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[b]Raf wrote: [/b]
Not sure if "better" would be the right word, but Paul does make Dragon Attack and Fat Bottomed Girls sound much cooler.
I used to dislike his version of I Want To Break Free, but nowadays I have to confess I like his way of singing it... It makes the song sound less "pop-ish" and a bit more rock oriented.
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I agree. If I had to give examples of songs that I enjoy a bit more performed live by Paul than Freddie I would probably choose the ones mentioned in the above post. It's not only about vocal range but the overall performance.
My image of Freddie strutting around the stage while performing Dragon Attack or Fat Bottomed Girls, along with him in drag for IWTBF is a bit disturbing. Paul is less camp, which IMO gives these and other songs a different edge.
Special mention goes to songs never performed live by Freddie which I enjoy greatly sung by Paul, like I Want it All and The Show Must Go On. Freddie shines on those in the albums but I'm pretty sure he would have dropped most of the high notes, particularly in TSMGO, which is now performed almost at the very end.
I know it's a paradox to discuss Freddie singing TSMGO live, being that the song wouldn't have been made if he had not got sick, but please cut me some slack.
[b]Raf wrote: [/b]
Not sure if "better" would be the right word, but Paul does make Dragon Attack and Fat Bottomed Girls sound much cooler.
I used to dislike his version of I Want To Break Free, but nowadays I have to confess I like his way of singing it... It makes the song sound less "pop-ish" and a bit more rock oriented.
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I agree. If I had to give examples of songs that I enjoy a bit more performed live by Paul than Freddie I would probably choose the ones mentioned in the above post. It's not only about vocal range but the overall performance.
My image of Freddie strutting around the stage while performing Dragon Attack or Fat Bottomed Girls, along with him in drag for IWTBF is a bit disturbing. Paul is less camp, which IMO gives these and other songs a different edge.
Special mention goes to songs never performed live by Freddie which I enjoy greatly sung by Paul, like I Want it All and The Show Must Go On. Freddie shines on those in the albums but I'm pretty sure he would have dropped most of the high notes, particularly in TSMGO, which is now performed almost at the very end.
I know it's a paradox to discuss Freddie singing TSMGO live, being that the song wouldn't have been made if he had not got sick, but please cut me some slack.
I really like "Break Free". I think live version with Paul is better than live version with Freddie. Paul add new colours to that song.
You've got to be kidding.