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I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and Rodger
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Michael Allred
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[b]Freddies Lunch Box wrote: [/b]
I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and Rodger[/QUOTE]
By living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all, yup, that's a good way to keep the spirit and legacy alive.
[b]Freddies Lunch Box wrote: [/b]
I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and Rodger[/QUOTE]
By living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all, yup, that's a good way to keep the spirit and legacy alive.
Sheer Brass Neck
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[b]Michael Allred wrote: [/b]
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[b]Freddies Lunch Box wrote: [/b]
I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and Rodger
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By living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all, yup, that's a good way to keep the spirit and legacy alive.
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Or, by living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all (5ive, Robbie Williams' WATC, multiple WWRY remakes, Britney, Pink, Beyonce, TCR, American Idol), he's doing more than Brian and Roger combined to protect and not sully the legacy.
[b]Michael Allred wrote: [/b]
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[b]Freddies Lunch Box wrote: [/b]
I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and Rodger
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By living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all, yup, that's a good way to keep the spirit and legacy alive.
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Or, by living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all (5ive, Robbie Williams' WATC, multiple WWRY remakes, Britney, Pink, Beyonce, TCR, American Idol), he's doing more than Brian and Roger combined to protect and not sully the legacy.
Michael Allred
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b]
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[b]Michael Allred wrote: [/b]
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[b]Freddies Lunch Box wrote: [/b]
I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and Rodger
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By living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all, yup, that's a good way to keep the spirit and legacy alive.
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Or, by living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all (5ive, Robbie Williams' WATC, multiple WWRY remakes, Britney, Pink, Beyonce, TCR, American Idol), he's doing more than Brian and Roger combined to protect and not sully the legacy.
[/QUOTE] Sully the legacy or not fit into your constrained notions of what your favorite band should do?
5ive produced a #1 single. "American Idol" gave them more publicity in the US than they had in the previous 11-12 years combined.
The pepsi commercial and Robbie were minor blips. Neither were singles, just one-offs, nothing more.
At least Brian and Roger are out there, TRYING. It's easy to sit back and say "Yep, I would never have done that" when you're not doing fuck all to begin with. Queen made mistakes when Freddie was alive too.
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b]
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[b]Michael Allred wrote: [/b]
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[b]Freddies Lunch Box wrote: [/b]
I think John keeps the legacy alive more than Brian and Rodger
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By living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all, yup, that's a good way to keep the spirit and legacy alive.
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Or, by living a hermit's life and doing absolutely fuck all (5ive, Robbie Williams' WATC, multiple WWRY remakes, Britney, Pink, Beyonce, TCR, American Idol), he's doing more than Brian and Roger combined to protect and not sully the legacy.
[/QUOTE] Sully the legacy or not fit into your constrained notions of what your favorite band should do?
5ive produced a #1 single. "American Idol" gave them more publicity in the US than they had in the previous 11-12 years combined.
The pepsi commercial and Robbie were minor blips. Neither were singles, just one-offs, nothing more.
At least Brian and Roger are out there, TRYING. It's easy to sit back and say "Yep, I would never have done that" when you're not doing fuck all to begin with. Queen made mistakes when Freddie was alive too.
john bodega
Legacies are for dead people. Freddie's dead; big deal. I hope Brian and Roger keep playing until their arms fall off. Fuck John Deacon.
Sheer Brass Neck
Believe it or not, Michael, I don't disagree with you on Brian and Roger's efforts, and John's lack of efforts for lack of a better phrase to keep the legacy alive. And as Queen ceased to exist for me in 1991, (I'm not right, I'm not wrong with that date, it's what I feel), I'd argue that if the things that I've listed aren't legacy harming (and they're probably not), the projects that Brian and Roger have been so inconsequential that nobody would list them as legacy building either. It's the work of two guys who feel they have to keep Queen's name out there at all costs, which is fine. John feels that Queen's work is complete, and that's fine too. I think when you say he's done or is doing "fuck all" that's harsh, and sure he hasn't helped Queen's legacy, nor has he lessened it. If you believe that Queen garners respect by working with acts like 5ive and Robbie Williams, that's fine. Take Queen out of the picture, and I'd hazard a guess that no self respecting Led Zeppelin fan would ever have wanted them to hook up with Puff Daddy for his Kashmir bastardization. Everything a band or person does is part of their legacy, good or bad. Zep with P. Didddy is bad, bad, bad. Doesn't detract from their great stuff, hardly their finest moment. Queen's had lots of "not their finest moments", not many "that's awesome!" since 1991. IMHO :)
Michael Allred
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b]
Believe it or not, Michael, I don't disagree with you on Brian and Roger's efforts, and John's lack of efforts for lack of a better phrase to keep the legacy alive. And as Queen ceased to exist for me in 1991, (I'm not right, I'm not wrong with that date, it's what I feel), I'd argue that if the things that I've listed aren't legacy harming (and they're probably not), the projects that Brian and Roger have been so inconsequential that nobody would list them as legacy building either. It's the work of two guys who feel they have to keep Queen's name out there at all costs, which is fine. John feels that Queen's work is complete, and that's fine too. I think when you say he's done or is doing "fuck all" that's harsh, and sure he hasn't helped Queen's legacy, nor has he lessened it. If you believe that Queen garners respect by working with acts like 5ive and Robbie Williams, that's fine. Take Queen out of the picture, and I'd hazard a guess that no self respecting Led Zeppelin fan would ever have wanted them to hook up with Puff Daddy for his Kashmir bastardization. Everything a band or person does is part of their legacy, good or bad. Zep with P. Didddy is bad, bad, bad. Doesn't detract from their great stuff, hardly their finest moment. Queen's had lots of "not their finest moments", not many "that's awesome!" since 1991. IMHO :)[/QUOTE]
"John feels that Queen's work is complete." Sounds like an assumption to me.
[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b]
Believe it or not, Michael, I don't disagree with you on Brian and Roger's efforts, and John's lack of efforts for lack of a better phrase to keep the legacy alive. And as Queen ceased to exist for me in 1991, (I'm not right, I'm not wrong with that date, it's what I feel), I'd argue that if the things that I've listed aren't legacy harming (and they're probably not), the projects that Brian and Roger have been so inconsequential that nobody would list them as legacy building either. It's the work of two guys who feel they have to keep Queen's name out there at all costs, which is fine. John feels that Queen's work is complete, and that's fine too. I think when you say he's done or is doing "fuck all" that's harsh, and sure he hasn't helped Queen's legacy, nor has he lessened it. If you believe that Queen garners respect by working with acts like 5ive and Robbie Williams, that's fine. Take Queen out of the picture, and I'd hazard a guess that no self respecting Led Zeppelin fan would ever have wanted them to hook up with Puff Daddy for his Kashmir bastardization. Everything a band or person does is part of their legacy, good or bad. Zep with P. Didddy is bad, bad, bad. Doesn't detract from their great stuff, hardly their finest moment. Queen's had lots of "not their finest moments", not many "that's awesome!" since 1991. IMHO :)[/QUOTE]
"John feels that Queen's work is complete." Sounds like an assumption to me.
Sheer Brass Neck
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[b]Michael Allred wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b]
Believe it or not, Michael, I don't disagree with you on Brian and Roger's efforts, and John's lack of efforts for lack of a better phrase to keep the legacy alive. And as Queen ceased to exist for me in 1991, (I'm not right, I'm not wrong with that date, it's what I feel), I'd argue that if the things that I've listed aren't legacy harming (and they're probably not), the projects that Brian and Roger have been so inconsequential that nobody would list them as legacy building either. It's the work of two guys who feel they have to keep Queen's name out there at all costs, which is fine. John feels that Queen's work is complete, and that's fine too. I think when you say he's done or is doing "fuck all" that's harsh, and sure he hasn't helped Queen's legacy, nor has he lessened it. If you believe that Queen garners respect by working with acts like 5ive and Robbie Williams, that's fine. Take Queen out of the picture, and I'd hazard a guess that no self respecting Led Zeppelin fan would ever have wanted them to hook up with Puff Daddy for his Kashmir bastardization. Everything a band or person does is part of their legacy, good or bad. Zep with P. Didddy is bad, bad, bad. Doesn't detract from their great stuff, hardly their finest moment. Queen's had lots of "not their finest moments", not many "that's awesome!" since 1991. IMHO :)
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"John feels that Queen's work is complete." Sounds like an assumption to me.
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Huh? John hasn't worked with them, distances himself from pretty much everything they do so if it is an assumption I'd say it's a pretty accurate one. I think for no one but myself bit I'd *assume* that his silence speaks volumes on what he thinks Brian and Roger are doing, and when he broke his silence re: Robbie Williams, it wasn't exactly praising them.
[b]Michael Allred wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b]
Believe it or not, Michael, I don't disagree with you on Brian and Roger's efforts, and John's lack of efforts for lack of a better phrase to keep the legacy alive. And as Queen ceased to exist for me in 1991, (I'm not right, I'm not wrong with that date, it's what I feel), I'd argue that if the things that I've listed aren't legacy harming (and they're probably not), the projects that Brian and Roger have been so inconsequential that nobody would list them as legacy building either. It's the work of two guys who feel they have to keep Queen's name out there at all costs, which is fine. John feels that Queen's work is complete, and that's fine too. I think when you say he's done or is doing "fuck all" that's harsh, and sure he hasn't helped Queen's legacy, nor has he lessened it. If you believe that Queen garners respect by working with acts like 5ive and Robbie Williams, that's fine. Take Queen out of the picture, and I'd hazard a guess that no self respecting Led Zeppelin fan would ever have wanted them to hook up with Puff Daddy for his Kashmir bastardization. Everything a band or person does is part of their legacy, good or bad. Zep with P. Didddy is bad, bad, bad. Doesn't detract from their great stuff, hardly their finest moment. Queen's had lots of "not their finest moments", not many "that's awesome!" since 1991. IMHO :)
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"John feels that Queen's work is complete." Sounds like an assumption to me.
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Huh? John hasn't worked with them, distances himself from pretty much everything they do so if it is an assumption I'd say it's a pretty accurate one. I think for no one but myself bit I'd *assume* that his silence speaks volumes on what he thinks Brian and Roger are doing, and when he broke his silence re: Robbie Williams, it wasn't exactly praising them.
john bodega
I'd also say it's a safe bet. It's not like he's crafting a sequel to Another One Bites the Dust is it.
Benn
I'd have to agree with "John feels Queen's work is complete". After all, the work deemed to be "LEFT" was completed and used on the MIH album and a final tribute to Freddie from "the three" in NOBY sealed the envelope.
That Brian and Roger decided to continue to use the Queen name (for good or bad) was their choice and with John's blessing, but without John's input, is never going to be completely Queen in the same way that it's not without Freddie.
Good on John I say, he's stuck to his guns and, if he was to change his mind - presumably due to financial considerations??????? - it would lend greated creedence to the use of the name.
That Brian and Roger decided to continue to use the Queen name (for good or bad) was their choice and with John's blessing, but without John's input, is never going to be completely Queen in the same way that it's not without Freddie.
Good on John I say, he's stuck to his guns and, if he was to change his mind - presumably due to financial considerations??????? - it would lend greated creedence to the use of the name.
john bodega
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[b]Benn wrote:[/b]
if he was to change his mind - presumably due to financial considerations??????? [/QUOTE]
A nice thought but almost wholly implausible. He'd have to pretty bad with his money, having written a few big hits as he did...
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[/QUOTE]Although, I guess you could buy a lot of strippers for what Best Friend, Dust, and Break Free got him.
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[b]Benn wrote:[/b]
if he was to change his mind - presumably due to financial considerations??????? [/QUOTE]
A nice thought but almost wholly implausible. He'd have to pretty bad with his money, having written a few big hits as he did...
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[/QUOTE]Although, I guess you could buy a lot of strippers for what Best Friend, Dust, and Break Free got him.
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Benn
Well, knowing the financial straits John Entwistle ended up in, it's not beyond the realms of possibility.......
Wiley
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
Legacies are for dead people. Freddie's dead; big deal. I hope Brian and Roger keep playing until their arms fall off. Fuck John Deacon.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if you trully mean this, but I know I agree with it. Maybe not so much with the "Fuck John Deacon" bit, but the main point still stands.
I can't stand how some fans think they own the band and claim that Roger and Brian are RUINING their legacy, like if from now on Queen would be remembered solely by the QPR tour.
By the way, last monday they played like 5 minutes of the start of the Ukraine DVD in a news report on cable here in Mexico. It was the intro and almost all of One Vision.
The "news", however, was not "Queen+PR release DVD of last year's gig" but "Queen play massive gig in Ukraine". No mention of the DVD. It was cool, though.
[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
Legacies are for dead people. Freddie's dead; big deal. I hope Brian and Roger keep playing until their arms fall off. Fuck John Deacon.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if you trully mean this, but I know I agree with it. Maybe not so much with the "Fuck John Deacon" bit, but the main point still stands.
I can't stand how some fans think they own the band and claim that Roger and Brian are RUINING their legacy, like if from now on Queen would be remembered solely by the QPR tour.
By the way, last monday they played like 5 minutes of the start of the Ukraine DVD in a news report on cable here in Mexico. It was the intro and almost all of One Vision.
The "news", however, was not "Queen+PR release DVD of last year's gig" but "Queen play massive gig in Ukraine". No mention of the DVD. It was cool, though.
Penetration_Guru
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[b]Benn wrote: [/b]
Well, knowing the financial straits John Entwistle ended up in, it's not beyond the realms of possibility.......[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting Deacy has similar problems with Coke & whores?
[b]Benn wrote: [/b]
Well, knowing the financial straits John Entwistle ended up in, it's not beyond the realms of possibility.......[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting Deacy has similar problems with Coke & whores?
john bodega
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[b]Wiley wrote:[/b]
I don't know if you trully mean this, but I know I agree with it. Maybe not so much with the "Fuck John Deacon" bit, but the main point still stands.
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HA!
If saw John Deacon I wouldn't say "FUCK YOU MAN!". I really respect him at the end of the day; for working 20 years at the craft I've fallen in love with, and for having the nuts to call it a day when he felt it was right to do so.
We, as 'fans' or listeners in my case, should never hold anything so dear that we can't go "ah fuck it". Because it's just not that important. Deacy wants off the ride ... fair enough. Fuck 'im; it's an expression, not an insult, hehehe.
Point is, on principle I'd like the 'show' to go on. Not with Robbie Williams, not with Wyclif Jean, not with Elton John, Britney Spears or the cast of WWRY, but that's just me I guess. Music is a living art form, it needs to be played. If Brian and Roger are still out there, still making that noise, then the music IS (in a way) still alive. Might not be with Freddie and it might not be how you or I like it, but tough titty. I think it's more important than who's singing, or even who's paying for the billboards.
I may be an old softy but that is how I see it!
[b]Wiley wrote:[/b]
I don't know if you trully mean this, but I know I agree with it. Maybe not so much with the "Fuck John Deacon" bit, but the main point still stands.
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HA!
If saw John Deacon I wouldn't say "FUCK YOU MAN!". I really respect him at the end of the day; for working 20 years at the craft I've fallen in love with, and for having the nuts to call it a day when he felt it was right to do so.
We, as 'fans' or listeners in my case, should never hold anything so dear that we can't go "ah fuck it". Because it's just not that important. Deacy wants off the ride ... fair enough. Fuck 'im; it's an expression, not an insult, hehehe.
Point is, on principle I'd like the 'show' to go on. Not with Robbie Williams, not with Wyclif Jean, not with Elton John, Britney Spears or the cast of WWRY, but that's just me I guess. Music is a living art form, it needs to be played. If Brian and Roger are still out there, still making that noise, then the music IS (in a way) still alive. Might not be with Freddie and it might not be how you or I like it, but tough titty. I think it's more important than who's singing, or even who's paying for the billboards.
I may be an old softy but that is how I see it!