I don't know why people are so over protective about Jacko. I agree with "innocent until proven guilty" and it's fine to say that you don't believe he was a paedophile, but you can't catagorically say he wasn't.
He will be remembered as a hugely sucessful artist and entertainer, but also as a paeodphile, and that is all there is to it.
-fatty- 2850 · Member since
I wonder if Gary Glitter will be remembered so fondly when he shuffles off his mortal coil.
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The Fairy King · Member since
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[b]reya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
I don't know why people are so over protective about Jacko. I agree with "innocent until proven guilty" and it's fine to say that you don't believe he was a paedophile, but you can't catagorically say he wasn't.
He will be remembered as a hugely sucessful artist and entertainer, but also as a paeodphile, and that is all there is to it.
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I'm not just saying i don't believe the allegations because i like his music.
I did a bit of research, read some bio's, seen a lot of documentaries. If you release psycho-analysis on this guy he can't be a fucking pedo. He went global at the age of 10. Which means he lost his youth and became a "young professional" with lots of responsibilities. Not to mention the fame and hysteria around him. When you're projected this kind of life at that age, your personality and development freezes. THIS is why he could be himself around children. THIS is why he wanted kids around him.
When you have a massive popstar, who is a bit odd and who likes to be around kids a lot...it's not difficult to sue him for all he's got. Especially in America. I'm not that big a fan, his persona is/was so fucking intrueging and his life was extraordinary which made me get into his life. There are some severe lessons to be learned from this.
Freya is quietly judging you. · Member since
I do see exactly where you're coming from, really I do. And sad though it is in its own way, I hope it's true. However, (in my opinion...) it does seem like there have been a few too many allegations for it all to be coincidence. And whether or not he is a child in his mind, if he so much as touched one of those children in the wrong place, no matter how he meant it, it technically makes him a paedophile in the eyes of the law.
I feel sorry for him, I always have. He really was only about 8 years old in his head, poor sod. (Unless he was very very clever and only acted like... No, I am going off on a tangent.) Poor Jacko.
Brandon The Great · Member since
I was stunned. MJ has been a staple on my iPod for as long as I can remember.
A shame and a tragic loss.
Brandon The Great · Member since
As for the jokes... c'mon, seriously? They're jokes. I laughed, anyway.
The scary thing is, I've heard people say similar things and mean them.
@ndy38 · Member since
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[b]-fatty- wrote: [/b]
I wonder if Gary Glitter will be remembered so fondly when he shuffles off his mortal coil.
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Maybe if his music was better...but time will tell.
YourValentine · Member since
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[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
I don't know why people are so over protective about Jacko. I agree with "innocent until proven guilty" and it's fine to say that you don't believe he was a paedophile, but you can't catagorically say he wasn't.
He will be remembered as a hugely sucessful artist and entertainer, but also as a paeodphile, and that is all there is to it. [/QUOTE]
I am not a fan and I still think your statement is not right. The state of California spent millions of $$, filed dozens of search warrants and even opened a website inviting people to call in if they were victims of MJ (!!) but nothing was proven. The jury was majorly conservative and 8 of the 12 jurors were women. There is no reason to believe that these people had any other agenda than evaluating the evidence presented in court. They deliberated a whole week before they acquitted Jackson in all cases.
It's the easiest thing in the world to accuse a person of having committed something indecent or illegal but when this person was acquitted after the state put more effort into convicting this person than in any other case it's not okay imo to uphold these allegations. Mainly when the person is dead. Even if he was a celebrity. If you are right that everyone is a paedophile because nobody can "categorically say he wasn't" I can call you anything I like and it would be up to you to convince me that I am wrong.
JoxerTheDeityPirate · Member since
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[b]-fatty- wrote: [/b]
I wonder if Gary Glitter will be remembered so fondly when he shuffles off his mortal coil.
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in a word "no", due to the fact he has been convicted,twice,of being a pedo.
Jacko was acquited of all charges when put on trial,therefore he died an innocent man
-fatty- 2850 · Member since
Okay so Michael Jackson was tried and cleared of all charges following the last high-profile court case and I accept that. But what about the Jordy Chandler case?
Here's a guy who had the best legal council that money can buy and they advised him to settle out of court. If he was entirely innocent he would have fought tooth and nail to clear his name. Instead he handed over $22 million on the condition that the boy and his family kept their mouths shut. As fas as I can see that's an admission of guilt. I'm also well aware of the fact that the boy's father was a gold-digging scumbag who rubbed his hands with glee and had dollar signs in his eyes when he learned that his son had been abused but none of this excuses MJ for what he did.
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JoxerTheDeityPirate · Member since
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Okay so Michael Jackson was tried and cleared of all charges following the last high-profile court case and I accept that. But what about the Jordy Chandler case?
Here's a guy who had the best legal council that money can buy and they advised him to settle out of court. If he was entirely innocent he would have fought tooth and nail to clear his name. Instead he handed over $22 million on the condition that the boy and his family kept their mouths shut. As fas as I can see that's an admission of guilt. I'm also well aware of the fact that the boy's father was a gold-digging scumbag who rubbed his hands with glee and had dollar signs in his eyes when he learned that his son had been abused but none of this excuses MJ for what he did.
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the only person alive now who can answer that is Jordy Chandler
-fatty- 2850 · Member since
There's also a team of laywers who, when they discovered what MJ had done to the poor lad, said "You're in deep shit so you better get your cheque book out."
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Freya is quietly judging you. · Member since
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[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
I don't know why people are so over protective about Jacko. I agree with "innocent until proven guilty" and it's fine to say that you don't believe he was a paedophile, but you can't catagorically say he wasn't.
He will be remembered as a hugely sucessful artist and entertainer, but also as a paeodphile, and that is all there is to it.
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I am not a fan and I still think your statement is not right. The state of California spent millions of $$, filed dozens of search warrants and even opened a website inviting people to call in if they were victims of MJ (!!) but nothing was proven. The jury was majorly conservative and 8 of the 12 jurors were women. There is no reason to believe that these people had any other agenda than evaluating the evidence presented in court. They deliberated a whole week before they acquitted Jackson in all cases.
It's the easiest thing in the world to accuse a person of having committed something indecent or illegal but when this person was acquitted after the state put more effort into convicting this person than in any other case it's not okay imo to uphold these allegations. Mainly when the person is dead. Even if he was a celebrity. If you are right that everyone is a paedophile because nobody can "categorically say he wasn't" I can call you anything I like and it would be up to you to convince me that I am wrong.
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So, you would be happy to say totally 100% he was not a paedophile, in any sense of the word?
And I'm not saying he is one, I was just pointing out that people are so very defensive over him and don't admit that there is a chance some of the allegations may be true. And when I say he will be remembered as a paeodophile, I mean that's going to be one of the things that jump to mind when people remember him. "Singer... entertainer... Oh. And possible paedophile." It will be something that always comes with him, if that makes sense.
Major Tom · Member since
If you guys would just open your minds and see the whole picture. Throughout his childhood he never got to play and goof around like normal kids, he was drilled to sing and dance, to entertain and to make big bags of gold for his fucking asshole of a father, Joseph, I belive. When he finally got out of his grip he was so fucking famous he couldn´t walk into a 7/11 in the middle of the night without creating hysteria. The only humans he could hang out with who didn´t care about his wealth or fame was kids. And since he missed out of all of the kids stuff he connected with them. I love kids, Michael loved kids. There is nothing wrong with that.
