An interesting set of responses to Mr Lambert
Interestingly it's just the same type of comments I used to hear from people in the 70's and 80's when I said how good Freddie was...
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I lost all that was left of my faith in Brian May's good taste when he decided a collaboration with 5ive would be a good idea. Then, there was the debacle with Beyoncé, Britney and Pink, and now there is this. If I didn't know any better, I'd say he had gone deaf.
cacatua
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Anyway, if you think that Adam is unworthy of Brian's praise because he didn't "wade 5 miles through snowdrifts 3 feet deep" to get to the recording studio, and that Brian is an imbecile who has too much fun in life and his judgment is faulty, then so be it.
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What are you harping on about?? I hope this isn't in response to me because I don't think badly of Lambert in the slightest. I'm merely of the opinion that Brian's ability to pick out new talent is less than rock-solid if he'll be so glowing in his praises of people like Katy Perry. Adam Lambert is another kettle of fish really, because he can actually sing.
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[/QUOTE] I am not denigrating Brian, so there'll be no more of that thank you very much. It is not denigrating someone to be realistic about their tastes. I agree with Brian on a ton of things, even in music. Regarding some of his choices in recent years though, I'd probably side with Deacy's attitude ... and you're not going to accuse HIM of denigrating Brian are you? Brian's just a guy. He's one of my heroes, musically, and I think he's a top fella. It is not insulting to see him in a more realistic light though. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
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Apologies to you then. Sometimes it is hard to tell, and I've already had my battles over Adam Lambert here, who is given very little credibility, so when I post what Brian said, in no uncertain terms then here they come, piling on the messenger (Brian, not me) in order to destroy his credibility.
I am willing to concede that Adam has a lot to live up to, from the start he has made, and no, I can't at this point see him singing any number of things that Freddie sang. And I am NOT saying that I think that he should become a front man for Queen (or Brian and Roger, if you prefer) either when I say this - just a point of comparison. But Freddie didn't come out of the box fully developed either, and I see some of the same qualities in Adam as a performer and singer that Freddie had, without Adam having the same voice, or trying to ape Freddie. As I have said elsewhere, Freddie was a unique phenomenon of a place in time, and the river of time has moved a lot of water downstream since then.
Adam is trying to make the move away from theater work in order to be in control of what he sings and how he wants to sing it. I'm not sure how much control he has at this point though.
I am not sure if it is more realistic to condemn Brian's actions these days or to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Anyway, if you think that Adam is unworthy of Brian's praise because he didn't "wade 5 miles through snowdrifts 3 feet deep" to get to the recording studio, and that Brian is an imbecile who has too much fun in life and his judgment is faulty, then so be it.
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What are you harping on about?? I hope this isn't in response to me because I don't think badly of Lambert in the slightest. I'm merely of the opinion that Brian's ability to pick out new talent is less than rock-solid if he'll be so glowing in his praises of people like Katy Perry. Adam Lambert is another kettle of fish really, because he can actually sing.
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[/QUOTE] I am not denigrating Brian, so there'll be no more of that thank you very much. It is not denigrating someone to be realistic about their tastes. I agree with Brian on a ton of things, even in music. Regarding some of his choices in recent years though, I'd probably side with Deacy's attitude ... and you're not going to accuse HIM of denigrating Brian are you? Brian's just a guy. He's one of my heroes, musically, and I think he's a top fella. It is not insulting to see him in a more realistic light though. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
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Apologies to you then. Sometimes it is hard to tell, and I've already had my battles over Adam Lambert here, who is given very little credibility, so when I post what Brian said, in no uncertain terms then here they come, piling on the messenger (Brian, not me) in order to destroy his credibility.
I am willing to concede that Adam has a lot to live up to, from the start he has made, and no, I can't at this point see him singing any number of things that Freddie sang. And I am NOT saying that I think that he should become a front man for Queen (or Brian and Roger, if you prefer) either when I say this - just a point of comparison. But Freddie didn't come out of the box fully developed either, and I see some of the same qualities in Adam as a performer and singer that Freddie had, without Adam having the same voice, or trying to ape Freddie. As I have said elsewhere, Freddie was a unique phenomenon of a place in time, and the river of time has moved a lot of water downstream since then.
Adam is trying to make the move away from theater work in order to be in control of what he sings and how he wants to sing it. I'm not sure how much control he has at this point though.
I am not sure if it is more realistic to condemn Brian's actions these days or to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Borhap80
I would've liked to see some sort of collaboration between Queen and Adam Lambert. The result could be quite spectacular...
But that was a digression...!?
Some people on this board seem to regard music as something sacred, something holly that cannot be messed with. Musicians tend to play with whoever they want to, across boundaries concerning integrity, pride and credibilty.
I seem to remember a person who acknowledged that music was showbiz and about having a ball:
"I like to write songs for fun, for modern consumption. People can discard them like a used tissue afterwards. You listen to it, like it, discard it, then on to the next. Disposable pop, yes."
Mercury did exactly the same when he was around. He gave complements to many of his contemporary artists like: Wham, Tears for Fears, Culture Club, Prince and so on. Did it give him cred to name Wham or not? Did anyone care?
If Brian wants to salute an artist, and by doing this, crossing boundaries concerning cred, he is in the position to do that. Is Brian a bad person for doing it? Is he messing with the sacred legacy of Queen by doing it? Does he hurt somebody's feelings by giving complements to others? Is he less of a musician? He can do whatever he wants to do.
Get a life!
But that was a digression...!?
Some people on this board seem to regard music as something sacred, something holly that cannot be messed with. Musicians tend to play with whoever they want to, across boundaries concerning integrity, pride and credibilty.
I seem to remember a person who acknowledged that music was showbiz and about having a ball:
"I like to write songs for fun, for modern consumption. People can discard them like a used tissue afterwards. You listen to it, like it, discard it, then on to the next. Disposable pop, yes."
Mercury did exactly the same when he was around. He gave complements to many of his contemporary artists like: Wham, Tears for Fears, Culture Club, Prince and so on. Did it give him cred to name Wham or not? Did anyone care?
If Brian wants to salute an artist, and by doing this, crossing boundaries concerning cred, he is in the position to do that. Is Brian a bad person for doing it? Is he messing with the sacred legacy of Queen by doing it? Does he hurt somebody's feelings by giving complements to others? Is he less of a musician? He can do whatever he wants to do.
Get a life!
cacatua
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I would've liked to see some sort of collaboration between Queen and Adam Lambert. The result could be quite spectacular...
But that was a digression...!?
Some people on this board seem to regard music as something sacred, something holly that cannot be messed with. Musicians tend to play with whoever they want to, across boundaries concerning integrity, pride and credibilty.
I seem to remember a person who acknowledged that music was showbiz and about having a ball:
"I like to write songs for fun, for modern consumption. People can discard them like a used tissue afterwards. You listen to it, like it, discard it, then on to the next. Disposable pop, yes."
Mercury did exactly the same when he was around. He gave complements to many of his contemporary artists like: Wham, Tears for Fears, Culture Club, Prince and so on. Did it give him cred to name Wham or not? Did anyone care?
If Brian wants to salute an artist, and by doing this, crossing boundaries concerning cred, he is in the position to do that. Is Brian a bad person for doing it? Is he messing with the sacred legacy of Queen by doing it? Does he hurt somebody's feelings by giving complements to others? Is he less of a musician? He can do whatever he wants to do.
Get a life!
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I was going to look for that quote by Freddie. Thank you for posting it!
I would've liked to see some sort of collaboration between Queen and Adam Lambert. The result could be quite spectacular...
But that was a digression...!?
Some people on this board seem to regard music as something sacred, something holly that cannot be messed with. Musicians tend to play with whoever they want to, across boundaries concerning integrity, pride and credibilty.
I seem to remember a person who acknowledged that music was showbiz and about having a ball:
"I like to write songs for fun, for modern consumption. People can discard them like a used tissue afterwards. You listen to it, like it, discard it, then on to the next. Disposable pop, yes."
Mercury did exactly the same when he was around. He gave complements to many of his contemporary artists like: Wham, Tears for Fears, Culture Club, Prince and so on. Did it give him cred to name Wham or not? Did anyone care?
If Brian wants to salute an artist, and by doing this, crossing boundaries concerning cred, he is in the position to do that. Is Brian a bad person for doing it? Is he messing with the sacred legacy of Queen by doing it? Does he hurt somebody's feelings by giving complements to others? Is he less of a musician? He can do whatever he wants to do.
Get a life!
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I was going to look for that quote by Freddie. Thank you for posting it!
The Real Wizard
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What I find most amusing is that there's people who will spring to his defense when he blows smoke up the bottoms of random singers, when he's talking about something genuinely important he gets shot down for being preachy. Am I the only one who gets annoyed by this??
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Complainers will always find ways to keep themselves employed.
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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What I find most amusing is that there's people who will spring to his defense when he blows smoke up the bottoms of random singers, when he's talking about something genuinely important he gets shot down for being preachy. Am I the only one who gets annoyed by this??
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Complainers will always find ways to keep themselves employed.
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
Sheer Brass Neck
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
What I find most amusing is that there's people who will spring to his defense when he blows smoke up the bottoms of random singers, when he's talking about something genuinely important he gets shot down for being preachy. Am I the only one who gets annoyed by this??
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Complainers will always find ways to keep themselves employed.
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as I see it, that's the rub with boards like these. Brian has lived a fabulous life, and has the right to do what he pleases, with who he pleases. That includes having the right to call him and Roger Queen. I'd like to see Brian work with some people like Nuno Bettencourt or Yes, or DT and not call themselves Queen. However, he has the right to do as he pleases. As do the people who criticize his choices, they have the right to do that. As do the people who criticize the people who criticize the choices. And it goes on and on and nothing gets resolved. I will say I find the apologists or sycophants more attacking and less tolerant of opposing viewpoints, and express them in such a way that they forget the rights of those who disagree with them.
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What I find most amusing is that there's people who will spring to his defense when he blows smoke up the bottoms of random singers, when he's talking about something genuinely important he gets shot down for being preachy. Am I the only one who gets annoyed by this??
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Complainers will always find ways to keep themselves employed.
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as I see it, that's the rub with boards like these. Brian has lived a fabulous life, and has the right to do what he pleases, with who he pleases. That includes having the right to call him and Roger Queen. I'd like to see Brian work with some people like Nuno Bettencourt or Yes, or DT and not call themselves Queen. However, he has the right to do as he pleases. As do the people who criticize his choices, they have the right to do that. As do the people who criticize the people who criticize the choices. And it goes on and on and nothing gets resolved. I will say I find the apologists or sycophants more attacking and less tolerant of opposing viewpoints, and express them in such a way that they forget the rights of those who disagree with them.
Sebastian
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
What I find most amusing is that there's people who will spring to his defense when he blows smoke up the bottoms of random singers, when he's talking about something genuinely important he gets shot down for being preachy. Am I the only one who gets annoyed by this??
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Complainers will always find ways to keep themselves employed.
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as such, anybody whose view is that Brian's lost a lot of taste, has the right to express it.
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
What I find most amusing is that there's people who will spring to his defense when he blows smoke up the bottoms of random singers, when he's talking about something genuinely important he gets shot down for being preachy. Am I the only one who gets annoyed by this??
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Complainers will always find ways to keep themselves employed.
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as such, anybody whose view is that Brian's lost a lot of taste, has the right to express it.
cacatua
Has everyone had his/her position validated by at least one other person now? My but this has been entertaining![img=/images/smiley/msn/devil_smile.gif][/img] I do have to ask Sebastian one question though: Just why is one of Brian's foxes named "Sebastian"? Is there another story there?
Sebastian
Sebastian has always been a usual name for animals: foxes, cats, parrots, me.
john bodega
I think you mean "manimals!"
cacatua
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Sebastian has always been a usual name for animals: foxes, cats, parrots, me.
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Well now, there's a vision. Do you perch or curl up on the window sill in the sun? Foxes are nice too, but they don't smell very good, so will let you off on that one.
Last question, I promise. Just trying to make it to Bohemian so my job description here is no longer "champion". Being a champion gets to be tedious at times. At least I am one quarter Bohemian, so that may just be my calling.
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Sebastian has always been a usual name for animals: foxes, cats, parrots, me.
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Well now, there's a vision. Do you perch or curl up on the window sill in the sun? Foxes are nice too, but they don't smell very good, so will let you off on that one.
Last question, I promise. Just trying to make it to Bohemian so my job description here is no longer "champion". Being a champion gets to be tedious at times. At least I am one quarter Bohemian, so that may just be my calling.
The Real Wizard
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as such, anybody whose view is that Brian's lost a lot of taste, has the right to express it.
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Of course. But what are they essentially accomplishing by focusing on the negative? Wouldn't that time be better spent thinking of or discussing things they do like instead of focusing on things they don't like?
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as such, anybody whose view is that Brian's lost a lot of taste, has the right to express it.
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Of course. But what are they essentially accomplishing by focusing on the negative? Wouldn't that time be better spent thinking of or discussing things they do like instead of focusing on things they don't like?
Yara
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as such, anybody whose view is that Brian's lost a lot of taste, has the right to express it.
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Of course. But what are they essentially accomplishing by focusing on the negative? Wouldn't that time be better spent thinking of or discussing things they do like instead of focusing on things they don't like?
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Focusing on things we don't like may turn out to be very helpful: properly done, it's nothing more than criticism. Criticism is not the same as complaint. Intelligent, informed criticism is much needed these days with regard to music, anyway. There are times, and I'm stating that in general, that being negative is the best way of being constructive.
You are a musician. You know the importance of criticism, sometimes even harsher than we would like to get. It's not the same as just "complaint".
I dwell in other music styles, and I don't dare calling myself a musician, but if I renounced reason and started accepting x's views about music uncritically instead of making my own mind over matters, I'd already have been fired from the orchestra and expelled from the music school.
Again, I'm not saying that to annoy you nor I am referring to this particular case (Brian) - I just think that criticizing also plays an important role in making things better.
Sorry for stepping in.
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as such, anybody whose view is that Brian's lost a lot of taste, has the right to express it.
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Of course. But what are they essentially accomplishing by focusing on the negative? Wouldn't that time be better spent thinking of or discussing things they do like instead of focusing on things they don't like?
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Focusing on things we don't like may turn out to be very helpful: properly done, it's nothing more than criticism. Criticism is not the same as complaint. Intelligent, informed criticism is much needed these days with regard to music, anyway. There are times, and I'm stating that in general, that being negative is the best way of being constructive.
You are a musician. You know the importance of criticism, sometimes even harsher than we would like to get. It's not the same as just "complaint".
I dwell in other music styles, and I don't dare calling myself a musician, but if I renounced reason and started accepting x's views about music uncritically instead of making my own mind over matters, I'd already have been fired from the orchestra and expelled from the music school.
Again, I'm not saying that to annoy you nor I am referring to this particular case (Brian) - I just think that criticizing also plays an important role in making things better.
Sorry for stepping in.
Sebastian
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as such, anybody whose view is that Brian's lost a lot of taste, has the right to express it.
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Of course. But what are they essentially accomplishing by focusing on the negative? Wouldn't that time be better spent thinking of or discussing things they do like instead of focusing on things they don't like?
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That's an interesting view. And as a complement: wouldn't the time Brian's spending working with AL better spent thinking of or discussing projects with Rick Wakeman or Steve Vai instead of focusing on artists that are OK but not at his level?
Not that it's something new anyway: back in the 80's, Dr May could've worked more with Michael Kamen or Eddie Van Halen but instead produced Bad News... so what if we want to complain about it? It's our prerogative, do you achieve anything by complaining about our complaints?
[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
I can only speak for myself... it's not so much that I'm defending his views, but rather recalling his right, like anyone else, to express his views, whatever they may be.
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And as such, anybody whose view is that Brian's lost a lot of taste, has the right to express it.
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Of course. But what are they essentially accomplishing by focusing on the negative? Wouldn't that time be better spent thinking of or discussing things they do like instead of focusing on things they don't like?
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That's an interesting view. And as a complement: wouldn't the time Brian's spending working with AL better spent thinking of or discussing projects with Rick Wakeman or Steve Vai instead of focusing on artists that are OK but not at his level?
Not that it's something new anyway: back in the 80's, Dr May could've worked more with Michael Kamen or Eddie Van Halen but instead produced Bad News... so what if we want to complain about it? It's our prerogative, do you achieve anything by complaining about our complaints?