I agree, Seinfield has ALWAYS baffled me to why it got so much success... I hate it.
BUT... now this may seem strange, I love Curb Your Enthusiasm. I think it's a masterpiece of a comedy series... FAR FAR funnier and genuinely wittier than Seinfield. I can't get round how half the writing force behind Seinfield (which I hate... as well as the man himself) can produce such a good show In CYE. (Too be clearer... like Larry David, despise JS)
Have you watched any of CYE Zeb? It's one of the few series I've missed out on while it aired, but then went and bought the entire box set and watched from start to finish... beard growing session.
It's similar to the Cheers/Frasier one. I LOVE Cheers, dislike Frasier (although his character worked in Cheers and it may have worked if it hadn't aired for so fucking long).
BTW... Joxer... Larry Sanders is in the top of my list for TV comedies ever.
1st. Larry Sanders Show (Most witty comedy series of ALL TIME imo)
2nd. Alan Partridge including KMKY (Genius too).
3rd. Cheers (Such a feel good prog, love it).
(I'd genuinely add Prisoner Cell Block H, but not sure whether to add as comedy or drama lol).
[/QUOTE]
ive been a fan of Garry Shandlings for far toooooooo many years now,plus anything with Rip Torn in gets my arse in front of the tv with no questions asked.this is the reason i cannot watch Letterman or programmes of the same ilk :-p
*hums the theme to The Garry Shandling Show out loud and goes searching for an episode on youtube*
[i]Yeah, Rip Torn is a feckin genius. Have you seen the new box set with new added documentary?... it gets Larry, Hank and Arty back in the room after all these years to discuss what made the show what it was. Fascinating.
Just thought of Hank with the spider on his head lmfao[/i]. Used to be my screen saver ha ha
[/QUOTE]
Crazy LittleThing · Member since
[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy/kramers-entrances-in-chronological-order/]Kramer's entrances in chronological order: [/url]
«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]@ndy38 wrote: [/b]
I love the show, it's a nice combination of Larry David's dark twisted sense of humour and Seinfeld's observational comedy. I'm not a comedy snob or anything but i'd rather have Seinfeld any day over Friends, and the latter was even more popular! Friends is so shit, i wish people would just realise it's a cheesy show that directly stole specific jokes and humour from other comedies.
But anyway back to Seinfeld, it's one of those shows that you either warm to the humour or you don't, very little in between.
[/QUOTE]
Which shows are you talking about that they stole humor from??
Donna13 · Member since
Friends stole all their ideas from I Love Lucy. Even the hair styles. I'm just kidding, but actually I'm probably correct.
Well, I still do not know why Seinfeld was funny. Some of the episodes were funnier than others and some scenes were funnier than others. Hmm. I guess they got a lot of their ideas from the norms of New York City. Such as waiting in line at a restaurant, movie, bakery, deli, or looking for a parking space - stuff that would be slightly irritating to a normal person (because you are always in a crowd up there), but a normal person would adhere to the customs and not make waves. I guess going against the crowd, against the norm or the social norm or what would be considered "nice" is what makes for the comedy on that show.
On Frasier the characters had a charming quality - maybe of the good but mixed up underdog type. (Even though Niles and Frasier were well off, and had designer furniture, and so forth, they were basically underdogs and they had quirks that most people could relate to probably.) And the characters of Daphne and Frasier's father were a great down-to-earth contrast to Frasier and Niles. And the happy or funny endings on that show just left you with a warmer feeling. The characters were better developed than on Kelsey Grammer's latest show, which just got canceled ("Hank"). I thought Hank was OK, but the characters were not too nice - wise cracking teenager and brother in law and wife - just too many wise cracks and not enough to get a person interested. I agree with a talent like Kelsey Grammer, you really still do need excellent writing to make a show a success. And better characters to surround the main character.
The show that I like lately is an older one I think - from England - "As Time Goes By" with Judy Dench. There is new one that is pretty good but I wouldn't get upset if I missed an episode - "The Middle" with Patricia Heaton.
«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]Donna13 wrote: [/b]
Friends stole all their ideas from I Love Lucy. Even the hair styles. I'm just kidding, but actually I'm probably correct.
[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree. I'm a huge "I Love Lucy" fan and have seen every episode ever made. There's no comparisons that I can even relate too, between the two sitcoms. I'm thinking the "Honeymooner's" is more closer to "I Love Lucy" then "Friends" is!
mooghead · Member since
Seinfeld is the best tv series in the history of the world. Of any genre. Ever. Fact.
Am utterly shocked by how few people know of a british tv comedy called 'The Inbetweeners' which has had 2 series and is the best british comedy since 'Blackadder'.
Check it out.
john bodega · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]mooghead wrote: [/b]
Seinfeld is the best tv series in the history of the world. Of any genre. Ever. Fact[/QUOTE]
It's amazing that you wrote that in the same post as mentioning Blackadder. Haha.
Freya is quietly judging you. · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]mooghead wrote: [/b]
Seinfeld is the best tv series in the history of the world. Of any genre. Ever. Fact.
Am utterly shocked by how few people know of a british tv comedy called 'The Inbetweeners' which has had 2 series and is the best british comedy since 'Blackadder'.
Check it out.
[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't go quite as far as you've gone, but The Inbetweeners is certainly mildly amusing. It's hardly award winning wit though.
mooghead · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: [/b]
[QUOTE]
[b]mooghead wrote: [/b]
Seinfeld is the best tv series in the history of the world. Of any genre. Ever. Fact.
Am utterly shocked by how few people know of a british tv comedy called 'The Inbetweeners' which has had 2 series and is the best british comedy since 'Blackadder'.
Check it out.
[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't go quite as far as you've gone, but The Inbetweeners is certainly mildly amusing. It's hardly award winning wit though.
[/QUOTE]
The thing about Inbetweeners is its how people actually talk. Its funny coz its true. Everyone who watches it can identify with one of the main characters. I am Jay, of course. Its certainly not witty, its crude and funny, sometimes thats what you need.
Series 1 and 2 at play.com for 9.99.
4 x Vision · Member since
Mentioning [b]The Inbetweeners[/b] on the same page as [b]Larry Sanders Show[/b] or [b]Alan Partridge[/b] makes you more of a comedian than all the above.
Donna13 · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» wrote: [/b]
[QUOTE]
[b]Donna13 wrote: [/b]
Friends stole all their ideas from I Love Lucy. Even the hair styles. I'm just kidding, but actually I'm probably correct.
[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree. I'm a huge "I Love Lucy" fan and have seen every episode ever made. There's no comparisons that I can even relate too, between the two sitcoms. I'm thinking the "Honeymooner's" is more closer to "I Love Lucy" then "Friends" is!
[/QUOTE]
Really? Anyway, if you break it down into elements, you can see the similarities I think. For example, plot development, location, theme music, the glamour, the silly misunderstandings, etc. But just taking the personalities of the four, Lucy, Ricky, Ethel and Fred, you can dissect those nicely and spread the traits around and they perfectly create the personalities of the Friends characters. To me, it has nothing to do with the era in which the shows were made. But just think - if Friends had been made before I Love Lucy, Friends would have gotten all the credit. And I do think that hair was a big part of the success of I Love Lucy. No doubt!
mooghead · Member since
"Really illustrates how many shows rest so heavily on their writers."
Must admit, Seinfeld is my favourite prog of all time but it did lose something after Larry David left.
mooghead · Member since
I am now 33 and been around a bit and the one thing in life I have learnt is that the most subjective thing in the universe is comedy. A million times more than music even.
Anyone who ridicules someone else because they dont find the same thing funny does not have the presence of mind to even waste time arguing with.
Really wish this site was frequented by more adults.
john bodega · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
Anyone who ridicules someone else because they dont find the same thing funny does not have the presence of mind to even waste time arguing with.
[/QUOTE]
True enough but I've seen so much of that ridiculing on this site that it's become a comedy in itself. I love to sit back and read some of the nonsense.
mooghead · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
[QUOTE]
[b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
Anyone who ridicules someone else because they dont find the same thing funny does not have the presence of mind to even waste time arguing with.
[/QUOTE]
True enough but I've seen so much of that ridiculing on this site that it's become a comedy in itself. I love to sit back and read some of the nonsense.
[/QUOTE]
Yeh, its worth lighting the blue touch paper now and then for the comedy value.
