After cca 20 views I still can't remember the main melody . I think it says it all.
We can only wonder what would Freddie do with this song.
GrateFulFan - thanks a lot for the lyrics, now I know what's it about :)
mike hunt · Member since
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I'm not sure roger would write about girls and cars at 60 years of age. Yea, the subject is played out, but it's still sounds like a nice ballad. It probably is forgettabe, it doesn't seem like a song that will make me buy 5 copies, but it sounds nice. Sincere is the word, and it doesn't have the Queen name attached to it. I compare it with happiness and electric fire, not the awsome tenament funster, modern times rock n roll, i'm in love with my car. Those songs wouldn't sound right if roger did them now. unless you think he would look good with a earing thru his nose like in 1973.
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A hairpiece on his chest and a ring through his nose? He could give it a try, I suppose.
He can write about what he likes, of course, and maybe he feels like doing political stuff -- fair enough -- but this just isn't very good. I doubt anyone would listen to it if it wasn't Roger. And Roger's track record on political songs isn;t great. He's not a great lyricist even when writing about simple things like cars, so political stuff isn't likely to bring out the best in him lyrically. It's not dreadful, but neither is it dreadfully good.
I suppose though we should be thankful he's still keen to make new music, esp. as Brian seems to be leaving the music world behind.
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" a hairpiece on his chest and ring through his nose" that's the line I was looking for. Great tune!
mike hunt · Member since
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After cca 20 views I still can't remember the main melody . I think it says it all.
We can only wonder what would Freddie do with this song.
GrateFulFan - thanks a lot for the lyrics, now I know what's it about :)
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Freddie usually did good things for rogers songs. I think roger misses freddie's input more than anyone.
Sebastian · Member since
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Okay, so Rog plays piano and guitar, good for him, but he doesn't play them very well. It's all very simple stuff, that a beginner could play.[/QUOTE]
Playing simple stuff is not the same as not playing very well. While he's surely not a virtuoso on either, he's certainly more than merely a beginner.
It's way better having a person playing simple stuff very well (e.g. Fred and [i]Crazy Little Thing[/i], Brian and [i]Dear Friends[/i]) than having a person complicating things to the point of not being able to play them properly (e.g. ...)
Togg · Member since
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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]
Okay, so Rog plays piano and guitar, good for him, but he doesn't play them very well. It's all very simple stuff, that a beginner could play.
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Playing simple stuff is not the same as not playing very well. While he's surely not a virtuoso on either, he's certainly more than merely a beginner.
It's way better having a person playing simple stuff very well (e.g. Fred and [i]Crazy Little Thing[/i], Brian and [i]Dear Friends[/i]) than having a person complicating things to the point of not being able to play them properly (e.g. ...)
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Basic song structure or lyrics have nothing to do with whether the track is good or not. Most of the best pop songs ever recorded are very basic that even beginers can master, most Beatles tracks for one. However they are simply some of the best songs ever written
Roger not good at lyrics? well OK so he comes up with a few cheesy lines here and there, but he has a wonderful way of getting his point across, personally I love his lyrics they make me laugh and cry...Old Friends, The days of our lives, Shove it....fantastic all of them for different reasons
Anyone that makes a comment such as "well a beginner could play it" has simply no understanding of the craft of song writting, you don't sit there trying to do complex song structure for the hell of it, or to make it 'worthy'
Simple is Smart as someone once told me!
Anyway, this track is in my view personal, heart felt and nicely constructed, is it a hit, no, but that wasnt the intention, he can write hits when he wants to.
Sebastian · Member since
I still disagree about 'even beginners can master'. They may learn the notes and play them in the correct tempo and rhythm, but that's not all it takes to 'master' them. There are loads of people who play guitar a hell of a lot better than Freddie ever could, but still can't master [i]Crazy Little Thing[/i]; there are loads of people who can sing note by note something like [i]All Dead[/i], but still can't master it. And so on.
The difference between a beginner and an expert (or something going in between) is not only noticed by their repertoire and the difficulty of what they do - a simple piano part like the one in [i]TUE[/i] would sound sloppy and horrible if done by a rookie, even if he or she did the same notes in the same order; of course Roger's not a professional pianist, but he's good enough to make that bit sound well, which is a hell of a lot more than being a rookie. Apparently, during the Queen era, he [i]was[/i] indeed a person who only experimented with synths but wasn't a player. Clearly that's changed through the years and I'm very pleased about that.
Holly2003 · Member since
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Okay, so Rog plays piano and guitar, good for him, but he doesn't play them very well. It's all very simple stuff, that a beginner could play.
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Playing simple stuff is not the same as not playing very well. While he's surely not a virtuoso on either, he's certainly more than merely a beginner.
It's way better having a person playing simple stuff very well (e.g. Fred and [i]Crazy Little Thing[/i], Brian and [i]Dear Friends[/i]) than having a person complicating things to the point of not being able to play them properly (e.g. ...)
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Why did you ignore the rest of my quote?
"That doesn't make the song bad -- some very good songs are simple and basic -- but there's just nothing to make this song stand out."
Maybe I didnt choose my words too carefully when I said he doesnt play them 'well', but surely the rest of what I said puts that in context. I didn't say he was a beginner, I said he has written a fairly basic song that a beginner could play (on piano and guitar). He is not stretching himself, which, for someone who has been in the business as long as he has, is a bit disappointing. A bit like Brian May's playing on C-lebrtity or TCR: being simple doesn't automatically make them bad songs (as stated previously), but I'd like to see a bit more adventure and innovation from a 'guitar great'.
IMO nothing stands out about this song. The lyrics are bland and there's nothing about the music to make it stand out from a million other songs.
However, it's still nice to hear Roger sing and see him make an effort when Brian is off taking pics of orbs or the moon.
cacatua · Member since
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[/b]Maybe I didnt choose my words too carefully when I said he doesnt play them 'well', but surely the rest of what I said puts that in context. I didn't say he was a beginner, I said he has written a fairly basic song that a beginner could play (on piano and guitar). He is not stretching himself, which, for someone who has been in the business as long as he has, is a bit disappointing. A bit like Brian May's playing on C-lebrtity or TCR: being simple doesn't automatically make them bad songs (as stated previously), but I'd like to see a bit more adventure and innovation from a 'guitar great'.
IMO nothing stands out about this song. The lyrics are bland and there's nothing about the music to make it stand out from a million other songs.
However, it's still nice to hear Roger sing and see him make an effort when Brian is off taking pics of orbs or the moon.
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I don't know how old you are. I am nearly as old as Brian and Roger. Age has a way of changing one's perspective on many things, including what one may think of as being worthwhile, challenging or fun. At the risk of being called a "Stepford" again, I think you are being far too critical of what the guys might be up to these days. They have had their day when everything was a new challenge that they must rise to meet. I think that they are now in the time of life when they can reap some rewards for what they did when they were younger and Queen was whole, and do what appeals to them, without feeling that need to be in there swinging and competing with everyone else out there.
I like Roger's song, but then I like much of TCR, so what do I know?
Holly2003 · Member since
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[b]Holly2003 wrote:
[/b]Maybe I didnt choose my words too carefully when I said he doesnt play them 'well', but surely the rest of what I said puts that in context. I didn't say he was a beginner, I said he has written a fairly basic song that a beginner could play (on piano and guitar). He is not stretching himself, which, for someone who has been in the business as long as he has, is a bit disappointing. A bit like Brian May's playing on C-lebrtity or TCR: being simple doesn't automatically make them bad songs (as stated previously), but I'd like to see a bit more adventure and innovation from a 'guitar great'.
IMO nothing stands out about this song. The lyrics are bland and there's nothing about the music to make it stand out from a million other songs.
However, it's still nice to hear Roger sing and see him make an effort when Brian is off taking pics of orbs or the moon.
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I don't know how old you are. I am nearly as old as Brian and Roger. Age has a way of changing one's perspective on many things, including what one may think of as being worthwhile, challenging or fun. At the risk of being called a "Stepford" again, I think you are being far too critical of what the guys might be up to these days. They have had their day when everything was a new challenge that they must rise to meet. I think that they are now in the time of life when they can reap some rewards for what they did when they were younger and Queen was whole, and do what appeals to them, without feeling that need to be in there swinging and competing with everyone else out there.
I like Roger's song, but then I like much of TCR, so what do I know?
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I wouldn't say I particularly like TCR but I was prepared to give it, and Q+PR a chance. Unlike other Queen LPs, I hardly listen to it. I gave it a few listens when it came out, and it;s just okay. Some Things that Glitter stands out, and Surf's Up is interesting, but the rest of the album is pretty dull. I'd like to see them make anoterh album with Rodgers: maybe they'll be a bit more innovative. As for the age thing, it's understandable but, to be blunt, no excuse for mediocrity. I've learned to live with the fact that they'll do what they like, and no amount of moaning from us is going to change that. However, that dose of reality doesn't make an average record like Unblinking Eye, a good or great one.
Sebastian · Member since
'I said he has written a fairly basic song that a beginner could play (on piano and guitar)'
[i]There [/i]I agree.
A fairly basic song that a beginner could [b]play[/b] --> Yes
A fairly basic song that a beginner could [b]master[/b] --> No
cacatua · Member since
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I wouldn't say I particularly like TCR but I was prepared to give it, and Q+PR a chance. Unlike other Queen LPs, I hardly listen to it. I gave it a few listens when it came out, and it;s just okay. Some Things that Glitter stands out, and Surf's Up is interesting, but the rest of the album is pretty dull. I'd like to see them make anoterh album with Rodgers: maybe they'll be a bit more innovative. As for the age thing, it's understandable but, to be blunt, no excuse for mediocrity. I've learned to live with the fact that they'll do what they like, and no amount of moaning from us is going to change that. However, that dose of reality doesn't make an average record like Unblinking Eye, a good or great one.
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Ha - well it is Paul's vocals on some of TCR that bug me. I think his gawd-awful screams are terrible on [i]Surf's Up[/i]. He sounds like he is shrieking to frighten a bear away or some such. I usually skip that one. And his long moans, or whatever you call them, in [i]Time To Shine[/i] and [i]Through The Night[/i] sound awkward and self-conscious instead of melodic and flowing.
GratefulFan · Member since
Due to All Right Now, Feel Like Makin' Love and Shooting Star, Paul is forgiven for every lousy thing he's ever done, ever will do, or is doing at this very moment. Even the bear screaming.
mike hunt · Member since
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[b]Holly2003 wrote:
[/b]Maybe I didnt choose my words too carefully when I said he doesnt play them 'well', but surely the rest of what I said puts that in context. I didn't say he was a beginner, I said he has written a fairly basic song that a beginner could play (on piano and guitar). He is not stretching himself, which, for someone who has been in the business as long as he has, is a bit disappointing. A bit like Brian May's playing on C-lebrtity or TCR: being simple doesn't automatically make them bad songs (as stated previously), but I'd like to see a bit more adventure and innovation from a 'guitar great'.
IMO nothing stands out about this song. The lyrics are bland and there's nothing about the music to make it stand out from a million other songs.
However, it's still nice to hear Roger sing and see him make an effort when Brian is off taking pics of orbs or the moon.
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I don't know how old you are. I am nearly as old as Brian and Roger. Age has a way of changing one's perspective on many things, including what one may think of as being worthwhile, challenging or fun. At the risk of being called a "Stepford" again, I think you are being far too critical of what the guys might be up to these days. They have had their day when everything was a new challenge that they must rise to meet. I think that they are now in the time of life when they can reap some rewards for what they did when they were younger and Queen was whole, and do what appeals to them, without feeling that need to be in there swinging and competing with everyone else out there.
I like Roger's song, but then I like much of TCR, so what do I know?
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not bad mouthing anyone, but some people don't like anything from queen past 1979, while others it's 1991. Then of course you get the stefords who like every note the band plays. I think holly belongs in the first group. If it wasn't recorded in 1976 it's crap. I could be wrong of course holly!
Ken8 · Member since
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I have a bit of a problem listening to a multi millionaire who has had a fairytale life squalking on about how horrible the world is. And why is he talking about our Ken? Our Ken it sat here watchin Emmerdale, whats he done wrong?
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And who the f**k is Ken?? I gather he's not referring to Barbie's bit on the side?? I dare say outside of the UK this means absolutely nothing?
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No, it was nice of him to acknowledge me. Thanks Roger.
I suppose he's getting on but like "TCR", it's very MOR again. I'm in my mid forties, and I found out today that my Dad likes it. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the song, but they just sound so "safe" lately. Bland.
The sooner he hooks up with Taylor Hawkins the better!
....actually IIRC, "Beyond Our Ken" is a term derived from the title of a 1950's BBC radio comedy series where it's star, Kenneth Horne comically locked horns with off the wall characters like "Julian & Sandy" & "Sid Rumpo" as played by Kenneth Williams.
So, yes. It seems to be a reference that is meaningless to anyone outside the UK, or anyone under fifty years of age!
Rock on Rog! The kids can't get enough of 1950's BBC radio show references! Next time try the "Goons" or if you're feeling particularly daring, "Pete & Dud"
Holly2003 · Member since
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not bad mouthing anyone, but some people don't like anything from queen past 1979, while others it's 1991. Then of course you get the stefords who like every note the band plays. I think holly belongs in the first group. If it wasn't recorded in 1976 it's crap. I could be wrong of course holly!
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I don't think they've done anything since The Game/Flash Gordon that is better than anything done previous to that, so you're probably along the right track. It's not due to the dates, but the quality of their stuff, and the unfortunate pop trends they chose to follow from 1982 onwards. Plus, as someone said earlier, the older artists get, the lazier they tend to be. For most bands, their best stuff is early in their career, when they're hungry and need to make their mark in the world.
I've always found Roger's solo stuff interesting and he is occasionally very good, but his work is uneven, as the UE shows.
