You may be lucky and get a mild version of the this flu, but how would you feel if you infected a family member, child or friend if they were to become severely ill? I would think doing nothing is more risky even if the chances are low.
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This is the main issue. I'm sorry but I haven't read the entire H1N1 thread. I just wanted to jump in on this point since, imo, it's an important one. Maybe the majority of us do have immune systems strong enough to fight this virus, but for those who don't, they are that much more at risk if we fail to immunize ourselves. We get the virus, fight it off but pass it on to those too weak to overcome it. This is personal for me since my mom is now enduring chemo treatments and is in an extremely vulnerable state. H1N1 could kill her. I have never gotten a flu shot, nor have I ever had the flu - that I'm aware of. This year, to protect her from me, I have received both the regular flu shot and the H1N1 shot. The current H1N1 shot is, btw, missing the deadly ingredient (mercury?) that the original 1970's H1N1 vaccine had so there is really no reason NOT to get it.
Just my two cents.
The Real Wizard · Member since
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Where do you get your information?
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>People lived under the theocratic rule of the catholic church for over a thousand years until science came along.
History books. Any one (minus the bible) will do.
>Vaccines generally come out after years of being developed, not 6 months after the virus is discovered.
Ask any scientist who develops vaccines or understands the process. Look up Dr. Russell Blaylock, as well as his credentials.
>Most health officials have not received the shot.
They surveyed Canadian health officials in September and about 90% said they do not plan to get it. It very briefly made the news, but was quickly retracted... for obvious reasons.
>It's just like politicians saying "let's send our kids to war, but not mine," which is exactly what happens.
Research how many American politicians have sent their kids to Iraq and Afghanistan. You won't find many, and none of them are soldiers.
>A pandemic (until this June, when the WHO changed the definition) is a virus that affects millions of people worldwide.
http://www.flu-treatments.com/pandemic-definition.html
>there was no Stanley Cup awarded because half of the league had the flu.
Check any reliable source on hockey. This was during the 1918 pandemic that killed 50 million people worldwide, and infected 1 in 4.
>Gilead Sciences is the company that licenses the vaccine. Donald Rumsfeld is ex-chair of Gilead, and now a major stockholder.
Google away, my friend!
>The media lets you know what they think you should know.
It is no secret that the media is heavily politicized and often censored. The days of Walter Cronkite are long gone.
[QUOTE]This is not a new virus. Its been around for over 30 years.[/QUOTE]
The 1976 flu did not spread very far. Either way, this is a new strain of the virus that was discovered this year.
[QUOTE]First fact of H1N1 is that it does kill, and secondly what few people don't know is that flu itself is far more likely to cause Guillain-Barré syndrome than any flu vaccine. Just ask your physician.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it does kill, and so do thousands of other things. Considering the numbers of people affected do not come even close to a real pandemic, it did not warrant the attention it received. Children and seniors are the higher risk group, but the average adult with a strong immune system need not worry about this.
Guillain-Barré syndrome affects 1 in 100,000 people - about the same number of people who react poorly to shots to the point that it destroys their health. Did you see that woman who can't walk forwards or talk properly anymore? It was the regular flu shot, not the H1N1 shot, but still, it's worth knowing about:
[QUOTE]You may be lucky and get a mild version of the this flu, but how would you feel if you infected a family member, child or friend if they were to become severely ill? I would think doing nothing is more risky even if the chances are low.[/QUOTE]
By far, the riskiest thing you'll ever do in your life is be in a moving car. The second-riskiest thing you'll ever do in your life is walk on the sidewalk (beside moving cars). Nothing, including any existing virus, comes remotely close. So stop buying into this media sensationalism and enjoy yourself in this wonderful world.
The Real Wizard · Member since
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This is personal for me since my mom is now enduring chemo treatments and is in an extremely vulnerable state. H1N1 could kill her. I have never gotten a flu shot, nor have I ever had the flu - that I'm aware of.This year, to protect her from me, I have received both the regular flu shot and the H1N1 shot.
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Good on ya for doing that for her sake. I definitely admire you for such a noble gesture. But when people are lining up in the thousands to get it for themselves because they're so afraid of germs (yet they're shoulder to shoulder with everyone there), that's when it has simply gone too far. In Canada and the US, your chances of dying from H1N1 are currently 1 in 300,000, yet a fair portion of the population are afraid of it. Something's wrong there, I think.
[QUOTE]The current H1N1 shot is, btw, missing the deadly ingredient (mercury?) that the original 1970's H1N1 vaccine had so there is really no reason NOT to get it.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there is a form of mercury in there called thimerosal - but it's not the kind of mercury known to cause health problems. In fact, there's more thimerosal in a can of tuna than in the H1N1 vaccine, so you're pretty safe with that. Unless you don't like tuna, of course!
«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» · Member since
No matter how you debate this topic Sir GH, that's your choice and your opinion.
I myself am protected and feel good to know that although I may have a strong immunity system, it gives me peace of mind to know that I will be protected and I will NOT be passing on this deadly virus to those that are weaker than myself .
*goodco* · Member since
I have a good immunity system as well.
Wonder if Tiger's is as good after effing so many babes around the world.
sorry to hijack the thread, but there are so many little boys and girls around the world who
DO care whether the Tiger got diseased from too much pussy, as do their parents who might have bought one of his video games, but passed this year.
oy frickin vey
I DID try to start an intelligent, conversational thread, and this is what I get.
john bodega · Member since
What's that Tiger, you're thinking of quitting golf to save your marriage? [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE, I hope we never hear your name again you overrated turd.[/QUOTE]
YourValentine · Member since
Sorry about the hijack, goodco, but it seem that the swine flu does affect peoples's lives just as much as the extra marital affairs of TW ;-)
I am with Bob here. I think it's not okay to scare the population with an actual very minor threat into getting untested vaccines shot into their bodies for the benefit of the pharmaceutical industry. There has not been a single proven case of someone dying of the swine flu in Germany - the death cases all[b] [/b]resulted from complications, mainly pneumococcal pneumonia. Pneumococcal pneumonia is very dangerous, mainly for very young and very old people and the bacteria are fairly resistant to many antibiotics. There has been a pneumonia shot for many years, it's well tested and the protection lasts for five years. For some reasons the government never thought it necessary to warn the population about a possible infection and to recommend the well tested and low risk pneumonia shot. This really makes me wonder.
I understand your concern about your mother, Magigalfreddie - it's certainly a good reason to risk an untested vaccine. On the other hand it would have been just as well to avoid possible infection by extended sanitation and in case of an actual infection to wear a surgery mask to avoid passing an infection to your mother. You cannot avoid all infections and swine flu is not so highly infective, in most cases family members do not get infected with the normal precautions. Remember that you are not immune against the normal winter flu which is still so much more common than the swine flu and you can pass this as well to your mother.
JoxerTheDeityPirate · Member since
^in the UK we,the sickly few,who are prone to infections have already had our seasonal flu jabs back in september [i did anyway].the swine flu jab was an added bonus for us with diseases like diabetes,asthma and for those in the medical trade or old.i would rather have the jab knowing that i am now safe from not only being infected but also being an unwitting carrier of the disease.
the reason why not many people have shown symptoms or been infected by it yet is because we are now just entering the 'flu season' where millions of people are starting their Christmas festivities and are going to be more social,thus making the spread of the pig flu much easier.
i am definately in the 'protection rather than the cure' camp on this one and would recommend everyone getting their swine flu jab,why take the risk of your health or a loved ones by not having it?
and its not the pharmeceutical companies that are to blame here,the government ordered 50m vaccines when the disease first came to light back in the Spring when Diego died in Mexico.
YourValentine · Member since
I am not challenging your decision to get the shot, Jon - it's totally your decision and I hope you were given a safe vaccine - with no untested adjuvants which may have late term side effects. (GlaxoSmithKline recalled 171 000 units in Canada in November for being unsafe, nobody knows how many of them were already used at the time) In Germany we do not even have safe (i.e. approved) vaccine for pregnant women who should be high up on the list...
Btw - as a risk group member I got my annual flu shot in October and the pneumonia shot last winter but not the swine flu shot for the reasons I have detailed above (and after speakinfk to my trusted physician).
Here are intersting lists, I hope they are correct but I think they might be. Please remember that the winter in Argentina is over and please look at the death toll after all the panic and the closure of the whole public life in July and August.
No matter how you debate this topic Sir GH, that's your choice and your opinion.
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What in my last post was based on opinion and is debatable? All I did was provide facts and sources, like you asked.
[QUOTE]I myself am protected and feel good to know that although I may have a strong immunity system, it gives me peace of mind to know that I will be protected and I will NOT be passing on this deadly virus to those that are weaker than myself .[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you have peace of mind then. But what has made you certain that the vaccination was safe and properly tested?
Interesting link there, YV. If it is indeed accurate, the number of H1N1 cases in the US is about the same as their annual new HIV infections. And there are about 3x the deaths from AIDS in the US than H1N1 - and of course that's assuming these H1N1 deaths are not because of pre-existing conditions. Food for thought.. ?
According to this link, 2 million people died from AIDS worldwide last year, compared to 45,000 people dying from H1N1. People, where is our focus !?? Maybe it's because most of those deaths are in Africa and Asia that we simply don't care, but H1N1 is "closer to home." Gotta love self-interest.
«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» · Member since
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» wrote: [/b]
No matter how you debate this topic Sir GH, that's your choice and your opinion.
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What in my last post was based on opinion and is debatable? All I did was provide facts and sources, like you asked.
[QUOTE]I myself am protected and feel good to know that although I may have a strong immunity system, it gives me peace of mind to know that I will be protected and I will NOT be passing on this deadly virus to those that are weaker than myself .[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you have peace of mind then. But what has made you certain that the vaccination was safe and properly tested?
Interesting link there, YV. If it is indeed accurate, the number of H1N1 cases in the US is about the same as their annual new HIV infections. Food for thought... ?
http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
According to this link, 2 million people died from AIDS last year, compared to 45,000 people dying from H1N1. People, where is our focus !??
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I don't remember asking you for any specific facts about H1N1. However, you keep dissecting all of my posts. I really don't care, and no matter what opinions you keep throwing my way, I've already received my shot. Obviously you're totally against it.
I would speculate that most politicians and pharmaceuticals are getting rich off of every illness that they can make a pill or a shot for, so lets not just narrow it down to H1N1. I also wanted to point out that there are risks and side effects to any type of pill you may swallow, or shot you may receive, including something as simple as aspirin which can cause gastrointestinal ulcers and stomach bleeding, yet that doesn't stop the millions of people from wanting relief from their headaches, body ahces or fever.
I do have peace of mind, for one, I did my own research and talked to my family physician. I also believe that this isn't going to just dissipate. Who's to say it won't resurface again at any given time and be as bad as it was in 1918? At least I have some immunity in my system.
I just have to add, that in 2008 a whopping 565,650 people died of cancer and everyday, 1500 lives are taken by this disease. I guess I can ask the same thing...where is our focus???
YourValentine · Member since
"I just have to add, that in 2008 a whopping 565,650 people died of cancer and everyday, 1500 lives are taken by this disease. I guess I can ask the same thing...where is our focus???"
Exactly! The billions wasted on an untested vaccine is desperately needed for cancer research and other really urgent health issues like AIDS.
Please understand that this is not a personal attack against you or other people who get a flu shot for very good reasons. I am criticising the paranoia that is stirred by my government because they made a very bad decision and spent a lot of tax money on a very bad contract with a pharma company that gets rich while the country sits on 50 million doses of an untested vaccine which cannot even be used for pregnant women because it's too risky. Of course we all have to take the information and advice we can get and make our own health decision. It becomes difficult when I have to be suspicious about the hidden agenda of government agencies and when I start distrusting their motives. Too much money is obviously involved. Now that people do not get the swine flu shots notwithstanding the hysterical campaigns they start to think about selling the vaccine to other countries. How banana republic is that?
JoxerTheDeityPirate · Member since
it seems as if Gillette did shit a few bricks after all and are "phasing" Mr Tiger-in-his-pants-Woods out of their promotions for the time being.
Just need Federer to be found to be more corrupt than a Tory MP and my weekend will be complete :-D
*goodco* · Member since
I think.....
whenever someone starts a thread, I'll intertwine about the swine flu
and then see how others react
yes, there are more important things than whether Mr. Woods kept it in his pants or not. But, considering how some sponsors are reacting, perhaps not.
I'm also living in Baltimore. The most recognized athlete in the world LAST year was Michael Phelps. Another idiot.
Image IS everything.
joe+susan(who HAD to get the flu shot)+Denny (who did not)+
john bodega · Member since
I hope Tiger Woods crashes into Michael Phelp's car and they both fucking die. Lance Armstrong can pull over to help but instead he catches fire and also ends up dead. [/QUOTE] I am sick of hearing about these overrated, overpaid, lousy cunts.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
