Best Guitar Work by Brian May

I think that does conclude, that Jimmy Page will always be considered the best guitarist ever or AND a better guitartist than Brian.

Though I find it amazing that real music is from Queen, RUSH.... is just overshaddowed by rubbish rock bands with no talent or no where nere the talent of Queen. Even Pink Floyd and Deep Purple and Black Sabbath were not mentioned in there, which is very surprising as those bands are usually involved with those type of shows.

Regarding Ringo: he's very underrated.

qrock wrote:

"Phil Collins (Oh No, NOT Him)"

What do you have against Phil Collins as a drummer?  Ever heard the early Genesis stuff, or his side project Brand X?  He is an incredible drummer.

He's done prog, pop, rock, Disney and how he's doing a record of Motown covers.  He's all over the map.  How many people besides The Beatles and Michael Jackson have reached such a widespread audience?

Sebastian wrote: Regarding Ringo: he's very underrated.

150% agreed

if ringo is so basic and shitty, then how come drummers decades since then (and definitely will happen into the future) have copied his fills and approach, without ever getting it even right?

i cant say i'm an excellent drummer but i sure to listen to many, many albums with the drums in mind and Ringo's influence is in turning up the strangest places even now.

I have nothing really against him or his music. I Like Genesis, I like his solo work during the 80s and I really liked his soundtrack for the disney movie Brother Bear.

However, I'm not quite shure to just why he is a head of drummers like Neil Peart and even Roger.

He is a good drummer with a unique style and has reached many different audiences but I'm not sure why he is considered better than Neil Peart.

Phil might win it if this programme is a popularity contest.

However there are even worse candidates in this programme than Phil.

The drummer of the Police is good as he is a versitile drummer with some good technical ability. However he is not better than Roger and Neil.

The Drummer of the Rolling Stones? Why is he there? Yes he is a GOOD Drummer but not a Brilliant drummer.
He's pretty basic, does not have any great width in his playing and he is certainly not up there with the best drummers ever. Cozy Powell, Neil Peart, Roger Taylor............and so on........ are better drummers than him.

Agreed that Ringo has had an influence on the way he did fills, the off beats ect, etc.
And in that case if he has had an influence on drummers on a large scale, yes he probably does deserve to be in that show.

HOWEVER: For me, I just find him a little bit over-rated. You should understand that Neil Peart and maybe just Roger are better drummers than Ringo. Yes Ringo probably may have the highest influnce of drummers though Roger is'nt far behind him.

Stewart Copeland and Phil Collins are top notch drummers who have worked with the best.  Neil Peart is flashier and has a 100-piece kit, but he is no better than the aforementioned two.

Ringo is not over-rated.  If anything, he is under-rated.  He wrote the book on rock drumming and it evolved from there.  Before Ringo, nobody was doing the things we take for granted today.

Oh Come on! Neal Peart has got to be a better drummer than Phil Collins and Stewart Copeland.

What's Next?
Oh Ringo Starr is arguably about the same as John Bonham or Michael Jackson was a unique Drunmer!

You just have to accept it that Neil Peart is a better Percussionist than most.

Sir GH wrote: qrock wrote:

"Phil Collins (Oh No, NOT Him)"

What do you have against Phil Collins as a drummer?  Ever heard the early Genesis stuff, or his side project Brand X?  He is an incredible drummer.

He's done prog, pop, rock, Disney and how he's doing a record of Motown covers.  He's all over the map.  How many people besides The Beatles and Michael Jackson have reached such a widespread audience?

Yes I know that Phil is a good drummer and does deserve to be in the show however I'm just dissapointed with the overrated drummers in that programme who leave out talented and also very influential drummers.

Oh I'd just like mention how funny it was to to find a commotion on this discussion whilst a commotion was going on here in Scotland with the crazy winter, (one of the coldest ones since records began). 

Best Guitar Work by Brian May vs The Big Feeze.

> if ringo is so basic and shitty, then how come drummers decades since then (and definitely will happen into the future) have copied his fills and approach, without ever getting it even right?

Same for George: great guitarist, without getting too complicated.

> However, I'm not quite shure to just why he is a head of drummers like Neil Peart and even Roger.

While he's not as good as Neil Peart, he's definitely better than Roger IMO.

> He is a good drummer with a unique style and has reached many different audiences but I'm not sure why he is considered better than Neil Peart.

Those polls and rankings are usually made by and for ignorants anyway.

> The Drummer of the Rolling Stones? Why is he there? Yes he is a GOOD Drummer but not a Brilliant drummer.

Those polls and rankings are usually made by and for ignorants anyway.

> You should understand that Neil Peart and maybe just Roger are better drummers than Ringo.

Of course, but that doesn't mean he's bad. If a man's 7' 5" tall, he's not a dwarf just because he's shorter than Yao Ming. Same: there are good drummers who are still good even if they're not as good as others.

> Yes Ringo probably may have the highest influnce of drummers

And that's in big part because of The Beatles.

> Neil Peart is flashier and has a 100-piece kit, but he is no better than the aforementioned two.

Actually (IMO of course) he is. Not as influential, not as famous, probably not as original, but indeed better.

> He wrote the book on rock drumming and it evolved from there.  Before Ringo, nobody was doing the things we take for granted today.

That's quite overrating him: before him, there were proto-ideas. And he didn't write the book on rock drumming, he was a (very important of course) link in its evolution, but he's not the 'creator'. Same for Hendrix, Entwhistle, etc.

> I'm just dissapointed with the overrated drummers in that programme who leave out talented and also very influential drummers.

Those programmes are usually made chiefly by and for ignorants anyway,

I still would not agree about Ringo being a better drummer than Roger.
Ringo was good, influential and popular. Those factors probably put him into that Show.

If you say so because I wrote 'While he's not as good as Neil Peart, he's definitely better than Roger IMO.', I meant Phil Collins, not Ringo. IMO Ringo, while very good and underrated, can't hold a candle to Roger (who BTW is also very underrated as a drummer).

brian is insane good on his last solo album to make me wonder where the hell it all went .... not that i hate the songs of Cosmos Rocks there are good ideas there but its like brian didn't even show up sometimes...  i still wish one day for him to make one last set of great guitar tracls

I love George Harrison. He was truly among the very greatest guitarists of all time, was a wonderful songwriter, and was criminally underrated. He's also my favourite Beatle. :D


With all the focus on John (whom IMO has become one of the most overrated of all pop/rock musicians) and Paul (whom, bizarre as this might seem, is IMO a little underappreciated), the brilliance of George is sometimes forgotten. It shouldn't be; he was absolutely extraordinary.