I mean, my opinion is that [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nebn_BW28dw&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nebn_BW28dw&feature=related[/url]
Just that.
Yara
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brians wig
Greg has spent the last 10 years talking about the anthology boxset.
Circa 2006, he announced at the UK convention that EMI had requested the boxset be delivered to them in 2009 for a 2010 release.
For a band who apparantly are still creating and aren't at the end of their career, they've done a pretty good job of releasing the same old shit time and time again in the last decade... "This is Queen's Absolute scraping the bottom of the barrell Greatest Hits collection because they have NOTHING new to offer." - That's what I call the end of a career!
Far too many good people have died recently. I don't want to die knowing there's some remarkable Queen recordings languishing in the vaults (and don't you dare say there isn't Mr Brooks, because you'll simply be calling YOURSELF a liar - I've heard you at every UK convention you've been to) that I've never heard because the band seem to have got cold feet over releasing them. They keep dragging it on.
There seem to have been far too many projects in the last 20 years that have been announced that haven't come to fruition and a few that have been started but never finished.
Brian himself wrote a piece on the death of Mike Stone in [b]2002[/b] where he blatently states (talking about Queen II) "...which is very apparant now that we are revisiting those multitrack tapes to mix them in surround sound". He then goes on to talk about album tracks (NOT singles tracks!), from A Day At The Races & News Of The World and continues with "Right now was the exact time when we were hoping to enlist Mike's help in recreating new mixes for all those tracks in DTS Surround Format"
What the hell happened? Where are they?
8 Years on and the Surround Sound idea has died a complete death in the Queen Camp - even though other bands are still releasing their catalogues in surround - and what do we get? Bloody Singles boxsets (where's volume 3 by the way - has that died as well???) and another Greatest Hits release!
Where is Greatest DVD Hits volume 3? Oh hang on, that would mean surround mixes wouldn't it.....
It's February 2010. I thought we would have had the DVD of Hammy 75 by now (or at least heard when it was due) - but oh no, We wouldn't want to impact on the sales of bloody absolute greatest would we?
Do you know what?
I've recently gone back to making my own Surround mixes of the Queen albums (surround upmixes from the stereo tracks) because there's bugger all of interest coming from Queen themselves and I'm REALLY LOVING stripping away those layers of vocals and main guitar to reveal clearer backing vocals and instruments I've never conciously heard before. It's a sad day when a fan has to make his own "unheard" Queen stuff just to enjoy something new.
Don't tell me they ain't at the end of their career.
Circa 2006, he announced at the UK convention that EMI had requested the boxset be delivered to them in 2009 for a 2010 release.
For a band who apparantly are still creating and aren't at the end of their career, they've done a pretty good job of releasing the same old shit time and time again in the last decade... "This is Queen's Absolute scraping the bottom of the barrell Greatest Hits collection because they have NOTHING new to offer." - That's what I call the end of a career!
Far too many good people have died recently. I don't want to die knowing there's some remarkable Queen recordings languishing in the vaults (and don't you dare say there isn't Mr Brooks, because you'll simply be calling YOURSELF a liar - I've heard you at every UK convention you've been to) that I've never heard because the band seem to have got cold feet over releasing them. They keep dragging it on.
There seem to have been far too many projects in the last 20 years that have been announced that haven't come to fruition and a few that have been started but never finished.
Brian himself wrote a piece on the death of Mike Stone in [b]2002[/b] where he blatently states (talking about Queen II) "...which is very apparant now that we are revisiting those multitrack tapes to mix them in surround sound". He then goes on to talk about album tracks (NOT singles tracks!), from A Day At The Races & News Of The World and continues with "Right now was the exact time when we were hoping to enlist Mike's help in recreating new mixes for all those tracks in DTS Surround Format"
What the hell happened? Where are they?
8 Years on and the Surround Sound idea has died a complete death in the Queen Camp - even though other bands are still releasing their catalogues in surround - and what do we get? Bloody Singles boxsets (where's volume 3 by the way - has that died as well???) and another Greatest Hits release!
Where is Greatest DVD Hits volume 3? Oh hang on, that would mean surround mixes wouldn't it.....
It's February 2010. I thought we would have had the DVD of Hammy 75 by now (or at least heard when it was due) - but oh no, We wouldn't want to impact on the sales of bloody absolute greatest would we?
Do you know what?
I've recently gone back to making my own Surround mixes of the Queen albums (surround upmixes from the stereo tracks) because there's bugger all of interest coming from Queen themselves and I'm REALLY LOVING stripping away those layers of vocals and main guitar to reveal clearer backing vocals and instruments I've never conciously heard before. It's a sad day when a fan has to make his own "unheard" Queen stuff just to enjoy something new.
Don't tell me they ain't at the end of their career.
Sheer Brass Neck
"...there is only ONE Queen, not several...would you actually want an huge Anthology definitive retrospective all-singing boxed set, or some such monster, to be released while you're still merrily working and creating, and far from the end of your career?"
Very confusing sentence Greg, not that you'll respond to it. If there is only ONE Queen (your statement, not mine) then Queen ended in 1991. So they're merrily working and creating, far from the end of their careers as musicians, but long removed from relevance in the world of popular music, including 20 plus years in North America since they've been relevant, excluding Wayne's World and Freddie's death which spurred interest in old Queen. So are they a band that ended almost 20 YEARS AGO!!! waiting for the right time to release a career retrospective, or a working band so that if Brian and Roger team up with ES Posthumus after the Super Bowl mix of WWRY (good Lord), is that still Queen ++. At this rate they'll be like Tupac and releasing "new" material as Queen in 2050. FWIW, as a former fanatic, my interest in the box set has dwindled, and Brian, Roger and QP can dismiss me in favour of the 1-2% of new fans who they can recycle version 34 of Greatest Hits to. However, as Q+PR showed, people aren't buying into their version of Queen, and honestly, (early) Queen is right there with The Beatles and Zep as pop/rock's greatest songs ever, but Brian and Roger long ago gave up on their legacy to pursue the goal of pushing more units in Wal-Mart. I think the fans understand Queen's greatness more than you and the band do, that's why we are so vocal.
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[/QUOTE]Also Greg, as a trusted employee, just out of curiosity, when you post here and see the constant negativism towards how the band handles their back catalogue, do you report this to Brian, or is QP a Pollyanna world where dissent is never discussed? Because the people posting here aren't flamers stirring shot up, they're serious fans. Odd way to treat your fans.[/QUOTE]
Very confusing sentence Greg, not that you'll respond to it. If there is only ONE Queen (your statement, not mine) then Queen ended in 1991. So they're merrily working and creating, far from the end of their careers as musicians, but long removed from relevance in the world of popular music, including 20 plus years in North America since they've been relevant, excluding Wayne's World and Freddie's death which spurred interest in old Queen. So are they a band that ended almost 20 YEARS AGO!!! waiting for the right time to release a career retrospective, or a working band so that if Brian and Roger team up with ES Posthumus after the Super Bowl mix of WWRY (good Lord), is that still Queen ++. At this rate they'll be like Tupac and releasing "new" material as Queen in 2050. FWIW, as a former fanatic, my interest in the box set has dwindled, and Brian, Roger and QP can dismiss me in favour of the 1-2% of new fans who they can recycle version 34 of Greatest Hits to. However, as Q+PR showed, people aren't buying into their version of Queen, and honestly, (early) Queen is right there with The Beatles and Zep as pop/rock's greatest songs ever, but Brian and Roger long ago gave up on their legacy to pursue the goal of pushing more units in Wal-Mart. I think the fans understand Queen's greatness more than you and the band do, that's why we are so vocal.
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[/QUOTE]Also Greg, as a trusted employee, just out of curiosity, when you post here and see the constant negativism towards how the band handles their back catalogue, do you report this to Brian, or is QP a Pollyanna world where dissent is never discussed? Because the people posting here aren't flamers stirring shot up, they're serious fans. Odd way to treat your fans.[/QUOTE]
Pim Derks
Great news everyone, the singles collection part 3 apparently has been confirmed at a Japanese site. Woohoooo.
mooghead
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Great news everyone, the singles collection part 3 apparently has been confirmed at a Japanese site. Woohoooo.
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Brillliant! What Queen product does this contain that I dont already own 10 times over?
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Great news everyone, the singles collection part 3 apparently has been confirmed at a Japanese site. Woohoooo.
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Brillliant! What Queen product does this contain that I dont already own 10 times over?
mike hunt
This is an old and tired discussion.....Just don't buy the crappy products they're releasing...Greatest hits 3 on dvd is another crappy release if it ever happens....the "Single" boxsets is plain stupid. Absolute greatest is a joke.. I don't buy this stuff anymore, the only thing that will peak my interest is a 70's show on DVD, or the Anthology set, but i don't think either will be released in our lifetime.
LuckyRocks
Oh come on Greg...
I don´t want to read all this posts and comments! There´s [b]no sense anymore[/b]!
I mean - it is [b]possible to pre-order Roger Taylor´s[/b] new single on Queenonline - and there´s [b]no chance to make a small press run for some great DVD´s?!?![/b]
Just announce a new Queen DVD with some 70´s for pre-order - you´ll see what will happen!
I´m a long time loyal Queen-Fan - not since their beginning - but anyhow since the summer of 1991 - just before Freddie died!!! If I would post some photos of all my re-realeases that I have in my collection of all that Greatest Hits I, II & III... I´m sure you´ll fell over! All the died hard collectors do have them.
And if you are still reading: I managed to contact you a few times about the "I Want It All" - Book - offering some unusual but official Queen items! There was no response! When the book will be released? Oh... I´m sorry - Roger just released a new single - we´ll have to wait some years, we could affect the selling of this single!
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I´m so disappointed - "even more" - tired of all this sh.. - we all - the long term Queen fans are!!![/b]
LuckyRocks
I don´t want to read all this posts and comments! There´s [b]no sense anymore[/b]!
I mean - it is [b]possible to pre-order Roger Taylor´s[/b] new single on Queenonline - and there´s [b]no chance to make a small press run for some great DVD´s?!?![/b]
Just announce a new Queen DVD with some 70´s for pre-order - you´ll see what will happen!
I´m a long time loyal Queen-Fan - not since their beginning - but anyhow since the summer of 1991 - just before Freddie died!!! If I would post some photos of all my re-realeases that I have in my collection of all that Greatest Hits I, II & III... I´m sure you´ll fell over! All the died hard collectors do have them.
And if you are still reading: I managed to contact you a few times about the "I Want It All" - Book - offering some unusual but official Queen items! There was no response! When the book will be released? Oh... I´m sorry - Roger just released a new single - we´ll have to wait some years, we could affect the selling of this single!
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I´m so disappointed - "even more" - tired of all this sh.. - we all - the long term Queen fans are!!![/b]
LuckyRocks
Queenfred
I read something interesting in Rolling Stone the other day (yeah, I know - who'd have thunk it?) saying that with the downturn in traditional record (cd) sales and the rising popularity of downloads, a lot of bands are realising that the best way of making some new money is by releasing boxsets and special editions. So perhaps market forces will bring about some cool new releases in the not too distant future for Fred and the lads?
Vali
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(...) when bands like U2 are releasing entire boxsets dedicated to each of their classic albums, and they are a LOT more active than Brian and Roger these days.
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Amen, Pim; amen
It´s really frustrating reading Greg´s post; it´s really frustrating reading such bullshit coming from an employee who has been talking and writing about this project for the last 10 years, and now he´s pretending to teach us, the long-loyal fans, the ones that WOULD BE BUYING this product (not the WWRY or AG era fans, don´t be silly) about the way we have to feel about this.
I still can remember the happiness I felt when the FM Boxset was released and I read in the book something like:
"there´s a Queen version of Man Made Paradise, but this one will be included in the forthcoming Queen Anthology"
Was it Greg who wrote that? I think so. Was it year 2000? I think so. And 10 years after that line the same guy tries to be funny or sarcastic with his "Queenmoan.com" blah-blah...
Ok yes. We moan. We moan because there are so many Queen/solo projects announced that we´re still waiting for and never saw the light of day; we moan because we have to see crappy products like the singles collection and the Absolute Aberration released instead of the BBC stuff, live shows, unreleased stuff etc etc etc; we moan because there are so many ACTIVE top artists/bands like Springsteen, U2, Pearl Jam, AC/DC, etc etc that really know how to satisfy their fan base while they are still ACTIVE, with fantastic boxsets and deluxe re-releases of studio albums. And who is buying that kind of products ? the casual U2 or Sprinsgteen fans? no, their long-loyal fans. The same kind of fans that would be buying the Queen Anthology.
Does really Greg want us to believe that the new fans, the ones that are growing with the "download mp3 from i-tunes" culture, would be buying the boxset?
wake up, QPL; release the bloody thing while there are still fans that will be buying it.
Otherwise, please do whatever you want and erase our memories of your broken promises/announced projects ... and we´ll stop moaning.
[b]Pim Derks wrote: [/b]
(...) when bands like U2 are releasing entire boxsets dedicated to each of their classic albums, and they are a LOT more active than Brian and Roger these days.
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Amen, Pim; amen
It´s really frustrating reading Greg´s post; it´s really frustrating reading such bullshit coming from an employee who has been talking and writing about this project for the last 10 years, and now he´s pretending to teach us, the long-loyal fans, the ones that WOULD BE BUYING this product (not the WWRY or AG era fans, don´t be silly) about the way we have to feel about this.
I still can remember the happiness I felt when the FM Boxset was released and I read in the book something like:
"there´s a Queen version of Man Made Paradise, but this one will be included in the forthcoming Queen Anthology"
Was it Greg who wrote that? I think so. Was it year 2000? I think so. And 10 years after that line the same guy tries to be funny or sarcastic with his "Queenmoan.com" blah-blah...
Ok yes. We moan. We moan because there are so many Queen/solo projects announced that we´re still waiting for and never saw the light of day; we moan because we have to see crappy products like the singles collection and the Absolute Aberration released instead of the BBC stuff, live shows, unreleased stuff etc etc etc; we moan because there are so many ACTIVE top artists/bands like Springsteen, U2, Pearl Jam, AC/DC, etc etc that really know how to satisfy their fan base while they are still ACTIVE, with fantastic boxsets and deluxe re-releases of studio albums. And who is buying that kind of products ? the casual U2 or Sprinsgteen fans? no, their long-loyal fans. The same kind of fans that would be buying the Queen Anthology.
Does really Greg want us to believe that the new fans, the ones that are growing with the "download mp3 from i-tunes" culture, would be buying the boxset?
wake up, QPL; release the bloody thing while there are still fans that will be buying it.
Otherwise, please do whatever you want and erase our memories of your broken promises/announced projects ... and we´ll stop moaning.
Togg
I would say it all depends on what they want to call it.
No reason frankly to not release a full anthology of everything done with Freddie
I know there was a lot of arguments within the band about releasing the first greatest hits and I know John in particular questions box sets such as The Complete Works
If it's to be everything under the name of Queen... then I guess we could be waiting a long long time, busy or not I don't see them calling it a day forever any time soon, why bother? might as well leave the door open until they are too old to lift a drum stick.
However I would like to see a warts and all collection of everything with Fred...that would be cool
No reason frankly to not release a full anthology of everything done with Freddie
I know there was a lot of arguments within the band about releasing the first greatest hits and I know John in particular questions box sets such as The Complete Works
If it's to be everything under the name of Queen... then I guess we could be waiting a long long time, busy or not I don't see them calling it a day forever any time soon, why bother? might as well leave the door open until they are too old to lift a drum stick.
However I would like to see a warts and all collection of everything with Fred...that would be cool
people on streets
Brian, Roger, John, Mary, Jim. They are all multi millionairs. QP recycles products (absolute greatest, platimum collection, single collection box etc) just to make even more money. I'm not buying those crap releases. I'm not visiting the musical either. I just boycot all the crap products and buy the ones I like. (Milton Keynes dvd set was about the last nice one they released...)
cmsdrums
[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]
released while you're still merrily working and creating, and far from the end of your career??? Perhaps you might be of the mind, just possibly, that such a box should come at the end of your career rather than during it... like an autobiography (though some people write their autobiog after two years of c-lebrity these days. In the minds of some people (and let me make it clear that I don't speak for the band, before anyone accuses me of that. This is just MY opinion), an Anthology is something that comes at the END of the road. It's a statement, almost, like a look back at a journey that is now complete.
As far as any commercial 'product' is concerned, how much does it actually matter WHO buys it, or how long they have been a fan... 20 years, 30 years, or 3 years, just as long as they buy it. I would imagine that of the last 50 million Queen record sales globally, maybe 1 or 2 percent are the Old Fans from the 70s/80s, like me. I'm in the minority now. The rest, the other 98 % who bought all those millions of units must surely be 'new' or new-ish fans. That's the way of the world now.
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I don't think people would see Brian and Roger as being "at the end of their career", although conversly most WOULD consider that their career as 'Queen' is over. I think a good example is Paul McCartney - his career in The Beatles is over, an Anthology has been released to universal acclaim, but people didn't then think that he had to stop playing and not create anything further - he carried on playing The Beatles' songs live, and recording new material, without anyone saying 'Oi, you can't do that cos you've already released an Anthology'.
That just about sums up the GB/QPL thinking - "how much does it actually matter who buys it" (incorrectly without question mark as we're picking up grammar etc..!!). It should very much matter who buys this kind of product - it should be something that thought is given for those people who, over the years, have given them the opportunity to even be in a position to consider an anthology set. The multitude of greatest hits sets can have a far more relaxed atttitude and 'general' release approach for the casual buyer, but surely even looking looking at it from a cold business angle which seems to be the case with everything Queen related now, a career spanning anthology of rare work must surely be centered around your core audience for that product.
And the 98% of new/new'ish' fans aren't going to be the ones buying this. I have loads of 'best of' compilations from varous artists but would never consider buying any of their other work. These new fans are only going to buy 'the hits', otherwise The Cosmos Rocks would have sold as many as Absolute Greatest.
As you say Greg, you/we are in the minority, so there is hope for us yet, as Brian does seem to like to stand up and give disproportionate support for the minorities (whether it be human or animal kind) so we may get these released after all!!!
released while you're still merrily working and creating, and far from the end of your career??? Perhaps you might be of the mind, just possibly, that such a box should come at the end of your career rather than during it... like an autobiography (though some people write their autobiog after two years of c-lebrity these days. In the minds of some people (and let me make it clear that I don't speak for the band, before anyone accuses me of that. This is just MY opinion), an Anthology is something that comes at the END of the road. It's a statement, almost, like a look back at a journey that is now complete.
As far as any commercial 'product' is concerned, how much does it actually matter WHO buys it, or how long they have been a fan... 20 years, 30 years, or 3 years, just as long as they buy it. I would imagine that of the last 50 million Queen record sales globally, maybe 1 or 2 percent are the Old Fans from the 70s/80s, like me. I'm in the minority now. The rest, the other 98 % who bought all those millions of units must surely be 'new' or new-ish fans. That's the way of the world now.
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I don't think people would see Brian and Roger as being "at the end of their career", although conversly most WOULD consider that their career as 'Queen' is over. I think a good example is Paul McCartney - his career in The Beatles is over, an Anthology has been released to universal acclaim, but people didn't then think that he had to stop playing and not create anything further - he carried on playing The Beatles' songs live, and recording new material, without anyone saying 'Oi, you can't do that cos you've already released an Anthology'.
That just about sums up the GB/QPL thinking - "how much does it actually matter who buys it" (incorrectly without question mark as we're picking up grammar etc..!!). It should very much matter who buys this kind of product - it should be something that thought is given for those people who, over the years, have given them the opportunity to even be in a position to consider an anthology set. The multitude of greatest hits sets can have a far more relaxed atttitude and 'general' release approach for the casual buyer, but surely even looking looking at it from a cold business angle which seems to be the case with everything Queen related now, a career spanning anthology of rare work must surely be centered around your core audience for that product.
And the 98% of new/new'ish' fans aren't going to be the ones buying this. I have loads of 'best of' compilations from varous artists but would never consider buying any of their other work. These new fans are only going to buy 'the hits', otherwise The Cosmos Rocks would have sold as many as Absolute Greatest.
As you say Greg, you/we are in the minority, so there is hope for us yet, as Brian does seem to like to stand up and give disproportionate support for the minorities (whether it be human or animal kind) so we may get these released after all!!!
Sebastian
> it seems to me there are so many perspectives on this, most of which have never been debated here. I just continue to see the same old tired complaints, but with no constructive thinking about the logistics of it.
Maybe you've been only reading what you want to read and selectively missing threads and posts showing different perspectives and constructive thinking.
> Of course, without knowing what form it might take, or even if such a thing will happen in my (or OUR) lifetimes...
That's partly the point: is it fair (and commercially wise) to release the anthologies when first, second and third generation of Queen fans, listeners, admirers, aficionados, experts, etc. are all dead?
> there is no knowing if it's even possible.
Then don't promise things, and don't ask people to do your job. See the 'carrot-dangler' thing.
> But I do know it's nothing remotely as simple a job as so many people here seem to perceive it to be.
Simple? No. Impossible? No. Worthwhile? Possibly, depending on how you do it.
> MANY MANY MANY MANY of today's supposedly biggest Queen fans are new to the band in the last 10 years, or 5 years....
Which is partly circumstantial. There's no way to foresee if the phenomenon's gonna be repeated in the 2010's or 2020's. Moreover, there's more risk of anthology material to be contaminated with every passing month. Ten years ago, Anthologies would've covered the foursome and some probably amazing stuff (e.g. comments from Mike Stone or Michael Kamen); in 2010, I wouldn't be surprised if Maylor decided to discard a 'March of the Black Queen' outtake in favour of Jedward or the American Idol loser.
> As far as any commercial 'product' is concerned, how much does it actually matter WHO buys it, or how long they have been a fan... 20 years, 30 years, or 3 years, just as long as they buy it. I would imagine that of the last 50 million Queen record sales globally, maybe 1 or 2 percent are the Old Fans from the 70s/80s, like me. I'm in the minority now. The rest, the other 98 % who bought all those millions of units must surely be 'new' or new-ish fans. That's the way of the world now.
TBH, I don't think you (or anybody here, including me of course) can make such assumption without the data to back it up. How can you be sure it's not old fans who buy most of the stuff while people born in the 90's and 2000's prefer to download it for free?
> It's just not accurate, in my opinion, to say that by then, let's say 2012 for argument's sake, 'no one will give a toss any more.'
But what about 2035?
> I didn't read the whole posting, but all I can say is that if they didn't want to release stuff like this - why was it announced?
Pim, I would've never thought that you and I would ever agree. But there you have it.
> For some part I can understand that Brian and Roger don't want their demo's and stuff to be released. But at least give us high quality re-releases of the original albums in 5.1, with b-sides, 12" mixes and single mixes as bonustracks...
Indeed. Or things like old gigs... even a limited release (thousand copies or so) of things like a cappella versions or just the backing tracks, etc.
> I remember Brian talking that he wanted people to dive into the classic albums instead of the Greatest Hits compilations
Well, the doctor's said a lot of things...
> I think that Brian is just too much of a perfectionist to let stuff like this out
If so, he wouldn't have worked with Britney, Pink, 5ive, etc. I remember the one and only time Greg posted something that, while retarded in content (no surprise there), was both funny and made some good points: he talked about having an entire CD of Keep Yourself Alive outtakes (including count to four, etc). Somebody in the forum (I think it was Niek) said he preferred another TCR to stuff that wasn't even good enough for Hot Space or The Works.
So, fine: let's keep all mistakes and all crappy songs in the drawer. Still, there'd be loads of material to release which loads of people would love: those STL outtakes are exceptional from beginning to end.
Maybe you've been only reading what you want to read and selectively missing threads and posts showing different perspectives and constructive thinking.
> Of course, without knowing what form it might take, or even if such a thing will happen in my (or OUR) lifetimes...
That's partly the point: is it fair (and commercially wise) to release the anthologies when first, second and third generation of Queen fans, listeners, admirers, aficionados, experts, etc. are all dead?
> there is no knowing if it's even possible.
Then don't promise things, and don't ask people to do your job. See the 'carrot-dangler' thing.
> But I do know it's nothing remotely as simple a job as so many people here seem to perceive it to be.
Simple? No. Impossible? No. Worthwhile? Possibly, depending on how you do it.
> MANY MANY MANY MANY of today's supposedly biggest Queen fans are new to the band in the last 10 years, or 5 years....
Which is partly circumstantial. There's no way to foresee if the phenomenon's gonna be repeated in the 2010's or 2020's. Moreover, there's more risk of anthology material to be contaminated with every passing month. Ten years ago, Anthologies would've covered the foursome and some probably amazing stuff (e.g. comments from Mike Stone or Michael Kamen); in 2010, I wouldn't be surprised if Maylor decided to discard a 'March of the Black Queen' outtake in favour of Jedward or the American Idol loser.
> As far as any commercial 'product' is concerned, how much does it actually matter WHO buys it, or how long they have been a fan... 20 years, 30 years, or 3 years, just as long as they buy it. I would imagine that of the last 50 million Queen record sales globally, maybe 1 or 2 percent are the Old Fans from the 70s/80s, like me. I'm in the minority now. The rest, the other 98 % who bought all those millions of units must surely be 'new' or new-ish fans. That's the way of the world now.
TBH, I don't think you (or anybody here, including me of course) can make such assumption without the data to back it up. How can you be sure it's not old fans who buy most of the stuff while people born in the 90's and 2000's prefer to download it for free?
> It's just not accurate, in my opinion, to say that by then, let's say 2012 for argument's sake, 'no one will give a toss any more.'
But what about 2035?
> I didn't read the whole posting, but all I can say is that if they didn't want to release stuff like this - why was it announced?
Pim, I would've never thought that you and I would ever agree. But there you have it.
> For some part I can understand that Brian and Roger don't want their demo's and stuff to be released. But at least give us high quality re-releases of the original albums in 5.1, with b-sides, 12" mixes and single mixes as bonustracks...
Indeed. Or things like old gigs... even a limited release (thousand copies or so) of things like a cappella versions or just the backing tracks, etc.
> I remember Brian talking that he wanted people to dive into the classic albums instead of the Greatest Hits compilations
Well, the doctor's said a lot of things...
> I think that Brian is just too much of a perfectionist to let stuff like this out
If so, he wouldn't have worked with Britney, Pink, 5ive, etc. I remember the one and only time Greg posted something that, while retarded in content (no surprise there), was both funny and made some good points: he talked about having an entire CD of Keep Yourself Alive outtakes (including count to four, etc). Somebody in the forum (I think it was Niek) said he preferred another TCR to stuff that wasn't even good enough for Hot Space or The Works.
So, fine: let's keep all mistakes and all crappy songs in the drawer. Still, there'd be loads of material to release which loads of people would love: those STL outtakes are exceptional from beginning to end.
Sebastian
> You infer that "Queen" is still a going concern. It is not. IT died with Freddie. BM & RT simply use the name as a sales and marketing tool. Were it still a creative force, BM & RT would not have needed to wind up the most creative (and this is pushing the boundaries of what ceativity actually is) project that they have managed to get involved with since FM's death - Q+PR.
In fact, were Maylor still a creative force, they wouldn't need the 'Queen' name at all.
> Queen have no self respect - they think they cannot sell anything but Greatest Hits.
At the very least, they could release GH-based anthologies: outtakes, backing tracks, a cappella versions of the 20-30 greatest hits they made. That'd be waaaaaay better than AG and SCC.
> There was a time when they had more guts.
Their guts died of AIDS-related complications on 24th November 1991.
> Like Barbara said - Brian and Roger could do a song ten times as good as Bohemian Rhapsody tomorrow and no-one will care about it
TBH, I don't think that's a sure thing unless they actually do a song ten times as good as Bohemian Rhapsody. Let's see what happens if they do... but so far, they're probably not even close. I haven't heard TCR, but I did listen to 'Say It's Not True': nice song, not even close to a masterpiece.
> If you read and write American English, you are perfectly correct. Whereas in "British English" collective nouns are treated as plural - did you not go to school or read anything?
Actually, that's always been a complicated matter and it's not as clearly and strictly split by the Atlantic Ocean. There are British people (especially in Scotland) using the rule as GB wrote, and there are American people treating collective nouns as plural. At the end of the day, it depends on how the speaker or writer views it: 'Queen' may be one band (so, it's singular) or may be four people (hence, it's plural), or two people (still plural).
> if they're still being so fucking precious over releasing this kind of thing, they need to grow up
Fred died and Maylor began a Benjamin Button syndrome. Don't be surprised if they appear on Disney Channel next year claiming the Jonas Brothers were Freddie's favourite band of all time.
> How hard is this concept of collecting rare Queen recordings to accept to someone like Brian? He spends most of his time collecting obscure stereo photo's from 100 years ago. We hold the same value and forensic passion in his, John's, Roger's And Fred's work, as he does T.S Williams(?)
That's a VERY good point. But I bet he wouldn't answer if you asked him that.
> Brian himself wrote a piece on the death of Mike Stone in 2002 where he blatently states (talking about Queen II) "...which is very apparant now that we are revisiting those multitrack tapes to mix them in surround sound".
Yes but that was before he had another cunning plan: he and Rog could get together with a singer, market him as Freddie's favourite, and voila!
> These new fans are only going to buy 'the hits', otherwise The Cosmos Rocks would have sold as many as Absolute Greatest
And a hell of a lot more than ANATO, since the world population (and according to Greg, the Queen-record-buying population) is way bigger now than it was in 1975.
> As you say Greg, you/we are in the minority, so there is hope for us yet, as Brian does seem to like to stand up and give disproportionate support for the minorities (whether it be human or animal kind) so we may get these released after all!!!
Brian only seems to stand up and give disproportionate support for the minorities when it suits him. Being photographed with a baby fox is a hell of a lot easier for him than allowing an anthology to be released and accept that (oh surprise, as if we hadn't noticed before!) his golden era's over.
In fact, were Maylor still a creative force, they wouldn't need the 'Queen' name at all.
> Queen have no self respect - they think they cannot sell anything but Greatest Hits.
At the very least, they could release GH-based anthologies: outtakes, backing tracks, a cappella versions of the 20-30 greatest hits they made. That'd be waaaaaay better than AG and SCC.
> There was a time when they had more guts.
Their guts died of AIDS-related complications on 24th November 1991.
> Like Barbara said - Brian and Roger could do a song ten times as good as Bohemian Rhapsody tomorrow and no-one will care about it
TBH, I don't think that's a sure thing unless they actually do a song ten times as good as Bohemian Rhapsody. Let's see what happens if they do... but so far, they're probably not even close. I haven't heard TCR, but I did listen to 'Say It's Not True': nice song, not even close to a masterpiece.
> If you read and write American English, you are perfectly correct. Whereas in "British English" collective nouns are treated as plural - did you not go to school or read anything?
Actually, that's always been a complicated matter and it's not as clearly and strictly split by the Atlantic Ocean. There are British people (especially in Scotland) using the rule as GB wrote, and there are American people treating collective nouns as plural. At the end of the day, it depends on how the speaker or writer views it: 'Queen' may be one band (so, it's singular) or may be four people (hence, it's plural), or two people (still plural).
> if they're still being so fucking precious over releasing this kind of thing, they need to grow up
Fred died and Maylor began a Benjamin Button syndrome. Don't be surprised if they appear on Disney Channel next year claiming the Jonas Brothers were Freddie's favourite band of all time.
> How hard is this concept of collecting rare Queen recordings to accept to someone like Brian? He spends most of his time collecting obscure stereo photo's from 100 years ago. We hold the same value and forensic passion in his, John's, Roger's And Fred's work, as he does T.S Williams(?)
That's a VERY good point. But I bet he wouldn't answer if you asked him that.
> Brian himself wrote a piece on the death of Mike Stone in 2002 where he blatently states (talking about Queen II) "...which is very apparant now that we are revisiting those multitrack tapes to mix them in surround sound".
Yes but that was before he had another cunning plan: he and Rog could get together with a singer, market him as Freddie's favourite, and voila!
> These new fans are only going to buy 'the hits', otherwise The Cosmos Rocks would have sold as many as Absolute Greatest
And a hell of a lot more than ANATO, since the world population (and according to Greg, the Queen-record-buying population) is way bigger now than it was in 1975.
> As you say Greg, you/we are in the minority, so there is hope for us yet, as Brian does seem to like to stand up and give disproportionate support for the minorities (whether it be human or animal kind) so we may get these released after all!!!
Brian only seems to stand up and give disproportionate support for the minorities when it suits him. Being photographed with a baby fox is a hell of a lot easier for him than allowing an anthology to be released and accept that (oh surprise, as if we hadn't noticed before!) his golden era's over.
mike hunt
poor brian takes so much shit on this site.....you would never know he's actually (from all accounts) A great guy.