Queenzoners for Queen Archivists !

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[b]Fone Bone wrote: [/b]

For bigV

Jeroen wrote:
Queen's final gig memorial disc:
-Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS
-DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert.


Queen's final gig memorial box set:
-Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS
-DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert.
-Commemorative t-shirt (white, one size)
-Ticket stub
-Photo set/Postcards
-Full colour booklet

Queen's fnal gig deluxe memorial box set:
-Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS
-DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert.
-Commemorative t-shirt (white, one size)
-Ticket stub
-Photo set/Postcards
-Full colour booklet
-autographed colour print
-laminate backstage pass

Am I in the right direction, Greg?[/QUOTE]
Waaooow!!!!

Personally, I have nothing against GB - and I have no problems about how Queen PLC wish to conduct their business.

What I find personally frustrating is the smug anti-answers and flim-flam to otherwise simple straight-forward questions, which deserve little more than a 'YES' or 'NO' answer. To me, this attitude (or policy) borders on taking the piss out of one's clientele.

Asking if there is a Queen version of 'Victory' or Andy Gibb and Freddie duet of 'The Game' - is not really up there with the betrayal of the Free-Masonic 'Grand Hailing Sign of Distress' nor is it rocket science. So there are three possible polite and accurate answers...

1: As far as I know, those tracks do not exist...
2: My personal research indicates that a partial/ version of the tracks do exist...
3: Unfortunately, at this time, I do not know because that is still one of our major tasks which is still in hand...

Three simple answers that could be used for (IMO) 90% of Queenzone answers.
How anyone could accept answers outside those terms of reference as a breach of confidentiality is beyond me.

Why such answers need to both convoluted - and rude and insulting - is (IMO) not acceptable interaction between any groups of human beings.

I agree about what John said.

I don't really know how the archives are dealt with, but I think the main goal of an archivist is first to work FOR THE BAND. No more to say about that, this is communication between the band and its archivist. Greg most probably do a good job, if he is still there, I don't worry about that.

Then, a second perspective is to use this fonction of archivist as an intermediary between a band and its fan base, am I right saying so?
Therefore, to communicate with the fans, it needs some more transparent answers (even if all can't be said I guess).
If the said archivist is not quite transparent (whether he doesn't feel like or he isn't allowed to), then the link with the fans is wrong; moreover, with time, this link can't be have a perverse effect, the fans now using the archivist as a medium to express their frustration about not being involved, or having the feeling not to be kept in touch or something. I think this quite happened here, at least for a part of us.   
This is probably the case even more because the band is not really "active" anymore as a recording band (I mean no projects of releases of brand new music from the band are known at the time, only side projects). Therefore, the fan base, to be kept alive and awake, needs some more information about the past, to better know the band and continue purchasing the new compilations, collecting and so on, and to be waken up if the band finally launches a brand new project.  
When the fans doesn't have the perspective they would like to have in the future, and doesn't think the answers they get regarding the past career (the vaults, the rare stuff, the next thing the fans would like to see released or to get information about) are quite satisfying, obscure, there is a problem.   I wonder how a community could last several years longer that way, not even how it could keep on growing.
Queenzone is a best tool to meet between fans.. .Remains the questions of connecting with the band. Of course all can't be said (after all, maybe an ultimate anthology project is still somewhere waiting for the perfect moment to be released).
The risk is that the possible buyers of a Queen anthology will have turned their noses towards other bands / hobbies once the Ultimate Archive Anthology would be released. Not so good commercially in the end. Interaction isn't fully effective here. That said, I don't know how the problem is dealt with amongst other fan communities.

To sum up, my guess is there is a problem of communication between the band and the fans through the archivist (I'm only talking about the band's archives here). The archivist as used now is not the good tool it could be, and can even have a negative effect. Or the band changes its way of communication about the archives, changing its "depth" on communication or finding another platform or whatever, or most fans will finally feel "bored" somewhat at one point. Don't tell me most of you haven't felt that way at least once in your existence as a Queen collector, I won't believe you.


Regards,

Olivier,
Belgium.

to the person who started this thread - this is a joke right?

you do realise that GB has NOTHING to do with whatever QP puts out? yes he does research, and I'm sure he pitches ideas as well. but make no mistake, in the end it's up to brian, roger and jim beach (and john's accountant probably)

I'm under the impression that the product GB has been most involved with is the FM solo box - which incidentally is the best Queen/related releae by a F**** mile

I'm sure there are other fans who is as knowledgable on Queen as GB - but to change GB with one of these wouldn't have ANY influence on future Queen releases.
to map out other posters proposals to releases and compare them to the actual releases and blame GB's work is so stupid it's beyond words.

if you're reading this GB; if you have the same input on a Queen anthology as the Freddie box it'll be a killer

Everyone knows GB doesnt' have the final say. That complaint -- that we don't understand how it works -- is just a red herring he throws out when he gets flustered (like the "do you want me to make things up" comment on a different thread. No that's the exact opposite of what we want ferchristsake). The problem arises because he mines this website and the fans looking for info for his books, for which he and Queen will make a financial profit, yet provides little or no useful info in return.

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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]

Everyone knows GB doesnt' have the final say. That complaint -- that we don't understand how it works -- is just a red herring he throws out when he gets flustered (like the "do you want me to make things up" comment on a different thread. No that's the exact opposite of what we want ferchristsake). The problem arises because he mines this website and the fans looking for info for his books, for which he and Queen will make a financial profit, yet provides little or no useful info in return.[/QUOTE]

So it's really about the exploitation of the goodwill of the people - and then pissing on the same people when they ask for a semi-decent answer in return?

Looks like it to me. Do you disagree John?

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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b]

Looks like it to me. Do you disagree John?[/QUOTE] No: I do not disagree.

I also think being civilized is free - and to return a sea of goodwill with basic polite courtesy - is a solid basis for any relationship. (Even virtual internet relationships).

But I was always taught one caught more bees with honey, than vinegar.
It seems that things have changed quite a lot since my day though!

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[b]gooddrills wrote: [/b]

To be fair you're blaming Greg for things he has no control over, such as the wank singles box sets. Greg does not decide what is released and how it should be released. What ever gave you that idea? There is a clue in the title 'Queen Archivist' as to what his role is.
Queen zone is going to end up being re-named Queen Moan at this fucking rate, there are too many people on here bitching and moaning. It's not going to change anything and it's getting a bit tired now.[/QUOTE]
Wait, I thought Greg renamed this place "Moan Zone" years ago.

No.  The bloke they have doing the job now is a marvel of our time.  This is a futile debate.  GB is the best archivist Queen have ever ever ever had, and you know that's true.  So put collective socks in your collective pie holes and go do something else more constructive, you silly silly girls.
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[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]

No.  The bloke they have doing the job now is a marvel of our time.  This is a futile debate.  GB is the best archivist Queen have ever ever ever had, and you know that's true.  So put collective socks in your collective pie holes and go do something else more constructive, you silly silly girls.
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Hi Greg, I bumped a couple of old threads, they're on page 2 right now. If you have time, could you answer them ?

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[b]Queen Archivist wrote: [/b]

No.  The bloke they have doing the job now is a marvel of our time.
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A marvel indeed. I don't think there's any possible way for a person to be THAT imbecile. Radiation, starvation, recurring hits in the head... it's not enough. Whatever this bloke did to be THIS imbecile is 'a marvel of our time'.

Queen Archivist Hello, I understand right that you Gregory Brooks?

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