...John announced that just to make the story clear that this acetate exists, and nothing more... It was probably more to give a clear answer to what Queen collectors wanted to know, maybe for long, or because there was hesitation on its existence.
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That is the whole story - plain and simple.
No teasing or showing-off intended.
Just a simple matter of fact statement for the record.
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That was exactly my point when I said I had heard "victory" (not that I'm trying to turn this topic into another discussion). For the record, I actually do believe you, John, despite my attempts at pissing you off earlier this morning - I hope you have read my response on that.
John S Stuart · Member since
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[b]Soundfreak wrote: [/b]
Don't worry Olivier, I have nothing against anyone here and I'm not intending to attack any people.
I'm also a long time collector - although I may collect a bit different.
And I was only making a general comment on certain kinds of collectors I have met more than once in my life.
I did not adress this to someone special. This is something I always say when collectors "own" something that they don't want to share with anybody : Don't talk about it ! ;-) [/QUOTE]
[b]Soundfreak[/b]: I agree with you - so I think a quick history lesson is due here.
Originally, (as I recollect) I was not the one who leaked this info to the masses.
I think I let this slip out - as a genuine slip to another individual - and later found myself in a 'public' position where I could not take it back.
There was no malice intended, and there was no betrayal of confidence. It was just 'one of those accidental things.
So when later questioned if the 'rumour' was true, I (correctly or incorrectly) chose the "Published and be damned" route,
simply to avoid confusion and to keep the record straight.
Although I have made no secret of ownership, I don't think I have ever been guilty of bragging - and have tried to keep this info as low-key as possible.
Wiley · Member since
My impression from John S Stuart, having read and posted in this forum for about 9 years, is that he is the real deal. I have no reason to not believe in what he says.
Back to acetates now!
Anybody knows if the Killer Queen acetate sold on eBay recently is real or, who bought it?
I usually make the mistake of thinking that the biggest Queen collectors all post or at least read this forum but I guess the Queen Collector world is much bigger than QZ.
Queenrockyou · Member since
Back to the topic.
Talking about prices and Ebay, I don't really follow the bids about acetates, to be honest, but I tend to think there are quite regularly bids about acetates, when it seems they are quite rare, only a few for each single. Should be some of a collector's treasure that would not get sold that regularly, and furthermore I think most of them would be kept by the band members/management/archives, given the exclusive nature of that product.
My question is, how can we state clearly if an acetate is genuine or not ? Is there a "truth" sign to be searched for or anything ? Are there so many fakes out there ?
regards,
Olivier,
Belgium.
Jam Monkey · Member since
[b]Wiley wrote:
[/b]Anybody knows if the Killer Queen acetate sold on eBay recently is real or, who bought it?
I usually make the mistake of thinking that the biggest Queen collectors all post or at least read this forum but I guess the Queen Collector world is much bigger than QZ.
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It was, I beleive, a fake. That particular seller also claimed to have a Freddie acetate he later admitted to me was a fake.
ferdy · Member since
Yes the recent KQ acetate was a fake...poor quality paper and also in mint condition which as you can imagine it's really impossible for an acetate who originally had other purposes. About the jap acetate, in this case I don't see which is the reason of it's existance. I would imagine that a test pressing could exist but why an acetate?
If they were printed for testing a recording and after that, band or producers approval, why acetates from different country than UK. exist.
More informations on acetates:
A version on how the single or LP will be, even double sided was also pressed and usually it contains the exact versions of the released format.
About the Hot space with diff. cool cat. It went a step further than acetate cause copies of the vinyl test pressing from USA exist.
Fone Bone · Member since
Sun City soundboard, Innuendo and The Miracle Demos, Boston 76, the Michael Jackson duets, Bo Rhap multitracks, increasingly accurate and fascinating resources regarding Queen in the studio (J S Stuart) and live performances (GH, Scully) : the community, of which John S Stuart is a most respected member, has been giving out many amazing, wonderful things these last few years.
Any frustration I might have as a fan would thus be directed at QPL, certainly not at a private collector and certainly not at John.
You say you own a studio version of Hangman ? Well I believe you and I say good for you. If you don't wanna share it it's your right entirely. In a just and fair world QPL would buy it from you for a good price and than make it a commercial release so that everyone could enjoy it.
Thistle · Member since
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[b]John S Stuart wrote [/b](On the subject of the "Hangman" acetate)[b]: [/b]
It is me - I own it.
Why has it not been released - because I do not wish it
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Hi John, I was thinking this one over and have the following questions for you:
According to Jam Monkey, acetates are tantamount to vinyl test runs, cut by the band to hear what vinyl would sound like after the tapes have been transferred. If this is so, would that not mean that Queen would have at least a tape of the Hangman studio version in the archives? If so, would it not ultimately be up to them to release it? (or do you now own it exclusively, like Mr. Jackson did with the Beatles recordings ?)
These questions are not born out of disrespect (nor disbelief of your ownership of the acetate as we've already talked that one through), I was just wondering about it whilst listening to the live version last night.
Cheers
James
John S Stuart · Member since
[b]Thistleboy 1980 wrote: [/b]
According to Jam Monkey, acetates are tantamount to vinyl test runs, cut by the band to hear what vinyl would sound like after the tapes have been transferred. If this is so, would that not mean that Queen would have at least a tape of the Hangman studio version in the archives? If so, would it not ultimately be up to them to release it? (or do you now own it exclusively, like Mr. Jackson did with the Beatles recordings ?)
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Two answers really;
First: I own a 10" single - not the copyrights. Therefore I could not legally release it.
Second: Sometimes acetates were cut by the band to hear what the track sounded like in progress. These are called reference acetates.
There are many Beatles acetates (The Beatles Acetates CD by Yellow Dog) which demonstrate that these are the [b]only[/b] sources of these tracks.
In other words they were never committed to tape, and are not logged in Mark Lewisham's book.
The following page is really worth reading about acetates:
http://www.beatlesource.com/bs/mains/known.html
The Real Wizard · Member since
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[b]Fone Bone wrote: [/b]
Sun City soundboard, Innuendo and The Miracle Demos, Boston 76, the Michael Jackson duets, Bo Rhap multitracks, increasingly accurate and fascinating resources regarding Queen in the studio (J S Stuart) and live performances (GH, Scully) : the community, of which John S Stuart is a most respected member, has been giving out many amazing, wonderful things these last few years.
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It's absolutely flattering to be included on someone's list of positive things about being a Queen fan. All I can say is... we're doing what we can in the absence of decent official releases in recent years. Let's see if QP can top all of these great tapes that keep coming out, like the new Boston 77. At least they're coming out in one way or another.
Fone Bone · Member since
Well the pleasure is all mine, Sir GH. It is a fact that I have spent many entertaining hours reading your site when the Absolute Greatest A4 Booklet kept me amused for about 45 minutes.
It is true that many wonderful things have come out of the bushes recently, but it's also certain (and Greg's recent hints are quite assertive about it) that there are gems in the vaults that are entirely unsuspected by the most knowledgeable collector you can find
Let's hope some see the light of day as well as official releases
The Real Wizard · Member since
Exactly... nobody really can be an expert, because our expertise is limited to what is available to us. Nobody has everything.. not even Greg.
John S Stuart · Member since
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
Exactly... nobody really can be an expert, because our expertise is limited to what is available to us. Nobody has everything.. not even Greg.
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Totally agreed.
I hope you contribute to the Ultimate Collection request (another thread).
Your input would be more than welcome.
This acetate was sold on eBay a couple of days ago. If anyone here bought it it would be interesting to know if the songs are unknown versions on not.
craigob11 · Member since
Just to say 'Jesus' does exist...i used to own it along with the 'Re-cut KYA'. Believe it or not & it is the truth..i paid £50.00 for KYA from Adrians record store in the early '80's & 'Jesus' came with it!!!..i had the two Tridents framed. I only ever played them once & both mixes were different ..KYA harder guitar playing & the drum section slightly different . An heavier version overall. Jesus as I remember also sounded richer & freddies vocal varied throughout. I later sold sold these through a dealer & I believe they went to a collector called Cristian in Austria..i recently only found this out after a conversation with Andreas Voights...but it does exist...& yes ive regretted selling them ever since.
