Sounds to me like you're just here to start an arguement.
These sessions are well documented, the problem here is your lack of knowledge and need to be 'right'
please continue, i just needed to point this out.
Dane
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Soundfreak
Dane wrote: Sounds to me like you're just here to start an arguement.
These sessions are well documented, the problem here is your lack of knowledge and need to be 'right'
please continue, i just needed to point this out.
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You misunderstand me completely. I'm not trying to start an argument - with whom and for what purpose???
I'm just looking for more information about these sessions as many things I read in those few "documentaries" are simply wrong. Even in the booklets of the official cds. Quote: "Four tracks are laid down on February 5th, viz "My Fairy King", "Keep yourself alive", "Doing alright" and "Liar".
In fact they are more or less just alternate mixes of the regular versions....
I also never saw any photographs of those sessions. I find this interesting and was hoping that others might as well.
I wasn't there - nor were you (I guess), so it's definitely not about "being right".
These sessions are well documented, the problem here is your lack of knowledge and need to be 'right'
please continue, i just needed to point this out.
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You misunderstand me completely. I'm not trying to start an argument - with whom and for what purpose???
I'm just looking for more information about these sessions as many things I read in those few "documentaries" are simply wrong. Even in the booklets of the official cds. Quote: "Four tracks are laid down on February 5th, viz "My Fairy King", "Keep yourself alive", "Doing alright" and "Liar".
In fact they are more or less just alternate mixes of the regular versions....
I also never saw any photographs of those sessions. I find this interesting and was hoping that others might as well.
I wasn't there - nor were you (I guess), so it's definitely not about "being right".
Negative Creep
Benn Kempster wrote:
So, my guess is tha Queen produced astand-alone session themselves and simply gave the BBC what they wanted broadcast - therefore, having full control over how their material went out.
If you're talking about the '77 session, then they were definitely recorded at Maida Vale. The session was documented in Record Collector some years ago where engineers were interviewed. Why would you think there's any mystery to the session? In no way do they sound too polished for the band to have recorded the tracks live and added a few overdubs (in fact, they sound typical of recordings from Maida Vale in 77) - as was the norm by that period.
And regarding recording dates for earlier sessions that WERE based on album versions - what's wrong with that? They're not claiming to give details on the actual recordings - they're the dates the band entered Langham/Maida Vale Studios and added new vocals and guitar overdubs to existing recordings to create new masters for the BBC.
So, my guess is tha Queen produced astand-alone session themselves and simply gave the BBC what they wanted broadcast - therefore, having full control over how their material went out.
If you're talking about the '77 session, then they were definitely recorded at Maida Vale. The session was documented in Record Collector some years ago where engineers were interviewed. Why would you think there's any mystery to the session? In no way do they sound too polished for the band to have recorded the tracks live and added a few overdubs (in fact, they sound typical of recordings from Maida Vale in 77) - as was the norm by that period.
And regarding recording dates for earlier sessions that WERE based on album versions - what's wrong with that? They're not claiming to give details on the actual recordings - they're the dates the band entered Langham/Maida Vale Studios and added new vocals and guitar overdubs to existing recordings to create new masters for the BBC.
pittrek
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH wrote:[/QUOTENAME] [QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Soundfreak wrote:[/QUOTENAME]
"Most recordings - even the very early ones like "Liar" and "Keep yourself alive" turn out to be just remixes of the originals.
The songs from "Sheer Heart Attack" sound exactly like the original backing tracks with slight vocal changes or a different solo.
The ones from "News of the World" sound much to elaborate to be BBC sessions. "WWRY" uses the original backing track, "It's late" has all those harmonizers Brian May needed for "Get down make love". It would have taken a lot of time just to install it and make it sound right in the BBC studio. Also the so called BBC-version of "WWRY" was given to the american Radio network including a cd release - quite unusual for BBC sessions."[/QUOTE]
I'd say you're pretty bang on overall. And Inu is right about MOTBQ being the only untouched song. Here are the details as best as I can hear them:
Session 1 (Feb 73) was the studio versions with new lead vocal tracks, mixed a bit differently.
Session 2 (July 73) was a mixture. Liar and Keep Yourself Alive were the studio versions with new lead vocals and new mixes. See What A Fool I've Been and Son And Daughter were new recordings.
Session 3 (Dec 73) was new recordings.
Session 4 (Apr 74) was new recordings, except for March Of The Black Queen with a fade-out as Inu has already pointed out.
Session 5 (Oct 74) was the studio versions with new lead vocals, new mixes, and a new guitar solo in Flick Of The Wrist.
Session 6 (Oct 77) was new recordings except for the stomp-stomp-clap of WWRY. The effects in the Get Down Make Love section of It's Late weren't that difficult to create (technically, anyway - being an innovative genius is a whole other thing), as Brian did it live every night for years. He used an eBow and a harmonizer pedal, which takes seconds to plug in, like any other guitar pedal.
Many people have suggested that everything was redone, but it's simply not true. Certain things like the feedback in the end section of Doing All Right simply couldn't be reproduced exactly as they were during the Queen I sessions. But this song is worth hearing for Roger's vocal in the third verse.
In summary - here we have 24 songs, 23 of which have differences from the studio versions, 13 of which are completely different from the studio versions. [/QUOTE]
This thread should end after this reply, it sums up the facts pretty correct.
"Most recordings - even the very early ones like "Liar" and "Keep yourself alive" turn out to be just remixes of the originals.
The songs from "Sheer Heart Attack" sound exactly like the original backing tracks with slight vocal changes or a different solo.
The ones from "News of the World" sound much to elaborate to be BBC sessions. "WWRY" uses the original backing track, "It's late" has all those harmonizers Brian May needed for "Get down make love". It would have taken a lot of time just to install it and make it sound right in the BBC studio. Also the so called BBC-version of "WWRY" was given to the american Radio network including a cd release - quite unusual for BBC sessions."[/QUOTE]
I'd say you're pretty bang on overall. And Inu is right about MOTBQ being the only untouched song. Here are the details as best as I can hear them:
Session 1 (Feb 73) was the studio versions with new lead vocal tracks, mixed a bit differently.
Session 2 (July 73) was a mixture. Liar and Keep Yourself Alive were the studio versions with new lead vocals and new mixes. See What A Fool I've Been and Son And Daughter were new recordings.
Session 3 (Dec 73) was new recordings.
Session 4 (Apr 74) was new recordings, except for March Of The Black Queen with a fade-out as Inu has already pointed out.
Session 5 (Oct 74) was the studio versions with new lead vocals, new mixes, and a new guitar solo in Flick Of The Wrist.
Session 6 (Oct 77) was new recordings except for the stomp-stomp-clap of WWRY. The effects in the Get Down Make Love section of It's Late weren't that difficult to create (technically, anyway - being an innovative genius is a whole other thing), as Brian did it live every night for years. He used an eBow and a harmonizer pedal, which takes seconds to plug in, like any other guitar pedal.
Many people have suggested that everything was redone, but it's simply not true. Certain things like the feedback in the end section of Doing All Right simply couldn't be reproduced exactly as they were during the Queen I sessions. But this song is worth hearing for Roger's vocal in the third verse.
In summary - here we have 24 songs, 23 of which have differences from the studio versions, 13 of which are completely different from the studio versions. [/QUOTE]
This thread should end after this reply, it sums up the facts pretty correct.
Dane
To Soundfreak:
In that case, my appologies.
As far as I am aware Queen used a basic backing track of the original recording and then laid down one take of vocals and guitar in the BBC studios, then when on the air they just sang and played along this backing track. Thus making it sound very identical to the original version but with some live elements.
Innovative as they were not all the songs were done like this. Especially the later BBC sessions, they were done mostly live, but in a very controlled environment.
There is always the possibillity they recorded these songs before they were aired to have more control over the final product. But the way they were done was most likely like I described above.
In that case, my appologies.
As far as I am aware Queen used a basic backing track of the original recording and then laid down one take of vocals and guitar in the BBC studios, then when on the air they just sang and played along this backing track. Thus making it sound very identical to the original version but with some live elements.
Innovative as they were not all the songs were done like this. Especially the later BBC sessions, they were done mostly live, but in a very controlled environment.
There is always the possibillity they recorded these songs before they were aired to have more control over the final product. But the way they were done was most likely like I described above.
Penetration_Guru
Er - they were always recorded in advance, there was no live element at the moment of broadcast.
Negative Creep
Penetration_Guru wrote: Er - they were always recorded in advance, there was no live element at the moment of broadcast.
Correct - none of the sessions from that period were broadcast live - which is kind of obvious when the recordings from that era themselves were overdubbed. There are plenty of BBC sessions, with and without audiences, that have been recorded and broadcast live though - although I think that would be mostly from the mid 90's onwards.
Correct - none of the sessions from that period were broadcast live - which is kind of obvious when the recordings from that era themselves were overdubbed. There are plenty of BBC sessions, with and without audiences, that have been recorded and broadcast live though - although I think that would be mostly from the mid 90's onwards.