Gregsynth wrote: skip wrote: FREDDIEMANIAC wrote: Are you people even Queen fans?? Esp. Mike Hunt! You think Freddie was high @Live Aid?! Get real!!! That's called Passion! "Attacking the camera man!"....Ah, it's called Playing w/ him!!! OMG! You guys are unbelievable! FREDDIE was the most amazing & BEST PERFORMER ever to grace the Earth!!!!!! His views on addiction are quite public. FREDDIE WAS NOT AN ADDICT of any kind! He even said that he liked to be in control, rather than drugs controlling him. And as for him being high on stage......Never!!! You cannot perform so spectacularly as him if you're out of your mind. Queen was never a druggie group.....none of them were.
I've already covered Freddie's addictions here.
Roger was a massive coke head. Major drinker, too. He said he hated pot. Don't know what other drugs he tried.
Brian was/is? a drinker. Don't know his background with drugs.
John was/is? a drinker. Don't know his background with drugs.
Freddie: Cocaine, alcohol, smoking Roger: Coke (didn't know that)? But he drank alot, and smoked alot (quit in the mid/late 80s) Brian: No drugs, no smoking, very light drinker (mostly just Guinness wine) John: No drugs, Smoked, causal drinker
In a sense, yes they ingested their share of substances over the years, but as for being druggies/addicts? Not really Go check out bands like Fleetwood Mac for a druggie band! lol
Freddie tried almost every drug under the sun. I listed some of them in another thread.
I believe Brian tried some drugs. I don't have time to look through some of the Queen books I have.
I'd say that John was a bit more than a casual drinker (see his DUI conviction).
skip · Member since
Gregsynth wrote: BTW, he smoked to get a husky tone for his voice. Which altered his voice and not for the better. It cost him some range.
Nothing sounds better than a lead singer with smoker's phlegm.
skip · Member since
Blue Roses Unlimited wrote: Anyone remember reading about (from Freddie's friends), about Freddie using too many drugs mixed with alcohol and going into some kind of seizure like situations (or walking along and suddenly just passing out) in the mid-1980s??? Particularly during the Munich years???
It may have been talked about in Peter Freestone's book.
Freddie did have anxiety attacks.
Peter said that either he or one of the other guys in Garden Lodge would have to hold Freddie down until his anxiety attack or seizure passed.
adamore · Member since
he was a great singer and composer, if he was using drugs ,it was only his own bussines. why people critizise talk about the good things that freddy was doing p.s well talking about him just keep him alive adamore
Winter Land Man · Member since
skip wrote: Blue Roses Unlimited wrote: Anyone remember reading about (from Freddie's friends), about Freddie using too many drugs mixed with alcohol and going into some kind of seizure like situations (or walking along and suddenly just passing out) in the mid-1980s??? Particularly during the Munich years???
It may have been talked about in Peter Freestone's book.
Freddie did have anxiety attacks.
Peter said that either he or one of the other guys in Garden Lodge would have to hold Freddie down until his anxiety attack or seizure passed.
============================================== Those were anxiety attacks, when he had to be held down. He had anxiety. A lot of people in the music and art field do.
But the drugs, at ttimes they caused seizures. Totally different circumstances, totally different actions needing to be done.
skip · Member since
adamore wrote: he was a great singer and composer, if he was using drugs ,it was only his own bussines. why people critizise talk about the good things that freddy was doing p.s well talking about him just keep him alive adamore
Freddie's drug use wasn't only his business, it affected three other people in his life; his three business partners.
plumrach · Member since
As far as i know or can tell, being on drugs did not appear to affect him musicwise and from what ive seen and read he only did drugs in his private life or at parties so it would not of affected his band mates in that way or inhibit his ability to work
andreas_mercury · Member since
in the end though AIDS was his fault in fact.
GratefulFan · Member since
skip wrote:
A guy who didn't smoke suddenly starts smoking after he's become a successful musician. Stupid on so many levels.
We aren't talking about other rock stars, we are talking about Freddie.
Nobody ever told Freddie to start smoking, drink until intoxicated, do drugs, and troll for strangers (mainly while under the influence of alcohol and drugs) in gay bars. He brought all of his problems on himself.
BTW, Freddie could have died just as easily from a heart attack induced by cocaine like John Entwistle did.
Freddie was aware of AIDS and when questioned by an interviewer if he was being careful his quote was fuck it; he was going to do as much as he could as often as he could.
Freddie was never the brightest bulb in that group.
Dying from a heart attack is hardly the typical result of cocaine use. It's an extraordinary result. It's silly to say it could have happened to Freddie 'just as easily'.
Beyond that, I'm still trying to figure out what your precise point is. That he deserved it? That a smarter or better man would have avoided this fate? A man with more self respect? Or self control? Who are these better men? You? Gene Simmons? I mean those questions seriously.
andreas_mercury · Member since
i dont see to how fans must even think its an insult when we talk of freddie in practical sense? its not saying "he was a bad man", its just saying - literal, that if he did not do those things, he would not of gotten HIV. who cares of if it made him a good guy or bad guy, its just the truth ....
skip · Member since
plumrach wrote: As far as i know or can tell, being on drugs did not appear to affect him musicwise and from what ive seen and read he only did drugs in his private life or at parties so it would not of affected his band mates in that way or inhibit his ability to work
While drunk and on drugs he trolled for men in gay bars. This is how he contracted AIDS.
He stopped touring after the "Magic" tour. This affected his business partners.
His death stopped his business partners for almost 20 years.
skip · Member since
GratefulFan wrote: skip wrote:
A guy who didn't smoke suddenly starts smoking after he's become a successful musician. Stupid on so many levels.
We aren't talking about other rock stars, we are talking about Freddie.
Nobody ever told Freddie to start smoking, drink until intoxicated, do drugs, and troll for strangers (mainly while under the influence of alcohol and drugs) in gay bars. He brought all of his problems on himself.
BTW, Freddie could have died just as easily from a heart attack induced by cocaine like John Entwistle did.
Freddie was aware of AIDS and when questioned by an interviewer if he was being careful his quote was fuck it; he was going to do as much as he could as often as he could.
Freddie was never the brightest bulb in that group.
Dying from a heart attack is hardly the typical result of cocaine use. It's an extraordinary result. It's silly to say it could have happened to Freddie 'just as easily'.
Beyond that, I'm still trying to figure out what your precise point is. That he deserved it? That a smarter or better man would have avoided this fate? A man with more self respect? Or self control? Who are these better men? You? Gene Simmons? I mean those questions seriously.
The point all along is that Freddie was responsible for his own death. His addictions resulted in his contracting AIDS. His actions resulted in Brian, Roger, and John's band coming to an end.
Gene Simmons doesn't drink or do drugs. He also doesn't have HIV/AIDS, is still alive, released a great studio cd last October, and is currently on a successful European tour as we speak.
Gregsynth · Member since
Skip does have a point.
plumrach · Member since
As Freddie said himself in one of his songs
Dont stop me now, im having such a good time, im having a ball dont stop me now
GratefulFan · Member since
skip wrote:
The point all along is that Freddie was responsible for his own death. His addictions resulted in his contracting AIDS. His actions resulted in Brian, Roger, and John's band coming to an end.
Gene Simmons doesn't drink or do drugs. He also doesn't have HIV/AIDS, is still alive, released a great studio cd last October, and is currently on a successful European tour as we speak. ======================================================
First, it's worth saying that neither you nor I know if Freddie contracted HIV from a stranger or from someone he was in love with, however briefly, or whether he was high as a kite or stone cold sober. Beyond that, as I noted before, most people are responsible for their own deaths one way or another. We choose our lifestyles, we fly airplanes, run marathons, drive a bit too fast, hook up with the wrong partner, walk left one afternoon instead of right and on and on. You seem to me to be attaching a rather heavy judgement on Freddie who almost certainly didn't know he was gambling with his life until it was years too late to change the future. Again, he didn't die from smoking, drugs or drinking. He died from sex. Certainly Gene Simmons is the poster child for the fact that neither drugs nor alcohol are required for human beings to elect to screw a truly obscene number of strangers. That Gene is healthy today is far more luck than virtue. He's lucky he's heterosexual, lucky that the threat of paternity suits was likely a strong motivator for condom use or other adjustments at critical periods in the evolution of the disease, and likely lucky unprotected oral copulation doesn't generally kill you. You think fucking nearly 5000 women isn't an addiction to something? He's not any better than Freddie, he's just luckier.
