Sebastian wrote:
"Bob: Do you happen to remember the (approximate) date?"
According to the link TCC just posted, it's from 2003. Thanks for that !
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john bodega
Bo Rhap was definitely not the first music video as we understand it. Videos that were not wholly performance-based in nature were being done ten years previously.
What the Bohemian Rhapsody video WAS, was the one that sticks in people's minds as "the first". VCRs showing up when they did, and the BR video being as iconic as it was, it's only natural that people think of it as somewhat revolutionary, and it's very possible that the video was the first one to play such a big role in the success of a song.
But in terms of it being the first video made to be played on television so that the band didn't have to put in personal appearances? Pure bunkum. And it certainly isn't the first non-performance or 'arty' one to be made, either.
What the Bohemian Rhapsody video WAS, was the one that sticks in people's minds as "the first". VCRs showing up when they did, and the BR video being as iconic as it was, it's only natural that people think of it as somewhat revolutionary, and it's very possible that the video was the first one to play such a big role in the success of a song.
But in terms of it being the first video made to be played on television so that the band didn't have to put in personal appearances? Pure bunkum. And it certainly isn't the first non-performance or 'arty' one to be made, either.
Rick
Why was John barely involved in the Innuendo project? Had it something to do with Freddie's illness?
jeffuk49
That is only known by JD, however he spent most of the Innuendo sessions on holiday in the South of France with his holiday and due to this the original release date was pushed back to 91 instead of intime for the christmas rush in 90, I'm not sure if it was due to Freddie's Illness as the sessions in 91 he was involved along with video shoots etc, only he can answer that
Benn
The Bo Rhap video has been a bone of contention for many years in terms of it being the first video. Clearly, promotional clips had been used by many bands for many years up until that point. These were used where TV shows were unable to secure the band for a lip-sinc or live performance of the song.
What Bo Rhap was the first to do was to be the ONLY tool with which the band would promote that particular song. They were unable to lip sync or play it live as a whole piece and, in order to promote it properly, the band had to film something specifically to replace them.
The Bo Rhap film was the first film to be used soley in place of the band themselves.
What Bo Rhap was the first to do was to be the ONLY tool with which the band would promote that particular song. They were unable to lip sync or play it live as a whole piece and, in order to promote it properly, the band had to film something specifically to replace them.
The Bo Rhap film was the first film to be used soley in place of the band themselves.
Sebastian
> What Bo Rhap was the first to do was to be the ONLY tool with which the band would promote that particular song
Errr, no, it wasn't the only tool. Ever heard of Kenny Everett, the tour, the album launch party? All those things were intended to make the public buy the single (and album), which is what 'promotion' (in the marketing sense) is about.
Errr, no, it wasn't the only tool. Ever heard of Kenny Everett, the tour, the album launch party? All those things were intended to make the public buy the single (and album), which is what 'promotion' (in the marketing sense) is about.
Darren1977
Brilliant topic guys. And great, no arguing! Very informative. Keep it up.
Holly2003
Elements of the Bo Rap video were based on a promotional video for a Beach Boys song (perhaps Good Vibrations, but I can't find the particular clip online -- I saw it at Uni a long time ago). However, becasue it was so memorable it seemed like it was first (at least in the UK -- no idea about the USA and rest of the world). The Rolling Stones, Beatles, Who, Doors etc were doing promo films long before Queen.
friedrich
Sebastian wrote: > What Bo Rhap was the first to do was to be the ONLY tool with which the band would promote that particular song
Errr, no, it wasn't the only tool. Ever heard of Kenny Everett, the tour, the album launch party? All those things were intended to make the public buy the single (and album), which is what 'promotion' (in the marketing sense) is about.
think you are right. both of you. kenny everett wasn't intended in their marketing strategy, right?. yes, a tour promotes an album and each single. it was an album launch party ....
maybe more like this ... the video was the first projected extra tool to promote and support a special song. the first intended use of this medium in music business ...
great topic. thanks sebastian.
f.
Errr, no, it wasn't the only tool. Ever heard of Kenny Everett, the tour, the album launch party? All those things were intended to make the public buy the single (and album), which is what 'promotion' (in the marketing sense) is about.
think you are right. both of you. kenny everett wasn't intended in their marketing strategy, right?. yes, a tour promotes an album and each single. it was an album launch party ....
maybe more like this ... the video was the first projected extra tool to promote and support a special song. the first intended use of this medium in music business ...
great topic. thanks sebastian.
f.
rhyeking
Okay, hopefully we can agree to put this to rest, regarding BoRhap.
Can we agree on the following?
Fact:
The Beatles, The Doors, The Who, Rush, Bowie and many, many others, including Queen themselves (KYA & Liar) were all creating promotional films BEFORE "Bohemian Rhapsody." Some were widely seen. Some weren't.
Fact:
BoRhap's video was quite memorable and had few equals before or during the '70s.
Fact:
The video for BoRhap DID do a great deal for promoting the single, as did Kenny Everett and word of mouth.
Fact:
It helped advance the concept of promotional films and videos as greater tool for marketing and promotion.
Fact:
It was not the "first" in any strict sense of the word.
Thoughts?
Can we agree on the following?
Fact:
The Beatles, The Doors, The Who, Rush, Bowie and many, many others, including Queen themselves (KYA & Liar) were all creating promotional films BEFORE "Bohemian Rhapsody." Some were widely seen. Some weren't.
Fact:
BoRhap's video was quite memorable and had few equals before or during the '70s.
Fact:
The video for BoRhap DID do a great deal for promoting the single, as did Kenny Everett and word of mouth.
Fact:
It helped advance the concept of promotional films and videos as greater tool for marketing and promotion.
Fact:
It was not the "first" in any strict sense of the word.
Thoughts?
Sebastian
I agree.
Bo Rhap
How many times was the video for BR recorded because i seem to remember that the"TOTP"video was different to the one on Greatest Video Hits 1
Different camera angles etc
Different camera angles etc
Benn Kempster
>>Errr, no, it wasn't the only tool. Ever heard of Kenny Everett,
Yes, but that was the song being played and not an in-person performance by the band as specific promotion for the single. Add in that Kenney played "parts" of the song because the BBC were concerned about the length of the single's playing time.
>>the tour,
The song was not played in it's entirety and in the format of the single until they started using the backing tape so we can rule that out.
>>the album launch party?
Nothing to do with the single - specific promotion for the ANATO album and no performance by the band to promote it at the party either.
>>All those things were intended to make the public buy the single (and album), which is what 'promotion' (in the
marketing sense) is about.
The film was made so that the band did not have to interrupt their tour schedule to then think about how to lip-sync to the track on TV shows like TOTP etc. The film was made so that ANY TV station could request a copy and the band were then happy that they and their song were being peoperly represented in performance.
Let's go for:
Bo Rhap was FIRST promotional film to be the only performance tool a band used in order to perform a song, in it's entirety, other than through having to compromise through the single being played to stills or being edited down to suit time schedules?
Yes, but that was the song being played and not an in-person performance by the band as specific promotion for the single. Add in that Kenney played "parts" of the song because the BBC were concerned about the length of the single's playing time.
>>the tour,
The song was not played in it's entirety and in the format of the single until they started using the backing tape so we can rule that out.
>>the album launch party?
Nothing to do with the single - specific promotion for the ANATO album and no performance by the band to promote it at the party either.
>>All those things were intended to make the public buy the single (and album), which is what 'promotion' (in the
marketing sense) is about.
The film was made so that the band did not have to interrupt their tour schedule to then think about how to lip-sync to the track on TV shows like TOTP etc. The film was made so that ANY TV station could request a copy and the band were then happy that they and their song were being peoperly represented in performance.
Let's go for:
Bo Rhap was FIRST promotional film to be the only performance tool a band used in order to perform a song, in it's entirety, other than through having to compromise through the single being played to stills or being edited down to suit time schedules?
Planetgurl
Benn Kempster wrote: >>Errr, no, it wasn't the only tool. Ever heard of Kenny Everett,
Yes, but that was the song being played and not an in-person performance by the band as specific promotion for the single. Add in that Kenney played "parts" of the song because the BBC were concerned about the length of the single's playing time.
Kenny Everett had a lunchtime show at that time over the weekend on Capital Radio. He initially played excerpts over that weekend but by the end of it had played the single something like 14 times, as I recall.
Yes, but that was the song being played and not an in-person performance by the band as specific promotion for the single. Add in that Kenney played "parts" of the song because the BBC were concerned about the length of the single's playing time.
Kenny Everett had a lunchtime show at that time over the weekend on Capital Radio. He initially played excerpts over that weekend but by the end of it had played the single something like 14 times, as I recall.
Darren1977
Used to have a copy of part of that show on audio tape, it was hilarious and it think that freddie made an appearance on there but don't know if he read out the weather forecast as was mentioned before some time ago. It was a very bad copy of another tape and was muffled, but Kenny was brilliant. Must check the attic for it