Mr Prime Jive
Things that "bother" me about Queen: Jazz HORRIBLE production. Just listening to convention's demos will make you understand what I mean.
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Dan C.
iron eagle wrote: jim beach
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Oh, Paulie. ;)
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Oh, Paulie. ;)
rhyeking
Funny, One Vision's appearance in Iron Eagle was one of the key moments in my discovering Queen.
I didn't really know the band before seeing this movie. I liked the music, especially that song, and got the soundtrack. Then BoRhap was used in Wayne's World the same year Freddie died, so I was like, "Queen? The guys that did One Vision. Right on."
I walked into a store and looked up some Queen collections. Classic Queen had just come out and I saw amazingingly both those songs were on it. So was this song I remembered from the '80s: Radio Ga Ga.
I took the chance and bought the tape. That first listen to the collection changed my musical appreciation forever.
It's funny how there are too positions on Queen songs in movies:
New fans: "That's a cool song...Queen? I should investigate further!"
Old fans: "Dear Lord, why was THAT song in THAT movie? Disgraceful!"
That's why Queen do these things...to get new fans.
I didn't really know the band before seeing this movie. I liked the music, especially that song, and got the soundtrack. Then BoRhap was used in Wayne's World the same year Freddie died, so I was like, "Queen? The guys that did One Vision. Right on."
I walked into a store and looked up some Queen collections. Classic Queen had just come out and I saw amazingingly both those songs were on it. So was this song I remembered from the '80s: Radio Ga Ga.
I took the chance and bought the tape. That first listen to the collection changed my musical appreciation forever.
It's funny how there are too positions on Queen songs in movies:
New fans: "That's a cool song...Queen? I should investigate further!"
Old fans: "Dear Lord, why was THAT song in THAT movie? Disgraceful!"
That's why Queen do these things...to get new fans.
thomasquinn 32989
There is one thing (except for the way "Hot Space" was produced and orchestrated) that truly bothers, no, annoys me about Queen, and that is the fact that they played Sun City. There is no excuse. Saying "yeah, but we're not political" is a pathetic excuse - they wouldn't have played Nazi Germany, I presume. And yes, the comparison is legitimate, because all presidents of South Africa from the start of apartheid until the De Klerk had been convicted during World War II for collaborating with the nazi-regime. Pieter Botha, president when Queen played Sun City, was an ex-member of Ossewabrandwag, the (illegal) South African national-socialist and pro-German organization during WWII.
freddiefan91
nothing bothers me about Queen apart from 1 line in Say Its Not True
now the following may make no sense whatsoever but bear with me and will probably make me sound stupid (not hard)
the line goes
The letter arrives like a bolt from the blue
now presumably that means "somebody" has been for an aids test and is awaiting the results so therefore receiving a letter is hardly going to be a surprise is it
maybe im reading too much into the lyrics sometimes!!!
Oh and I wish they would hurry up and do a gh3 dvd but thats the only thing really
now the following may make no sense whatsoever but bear with me and will probably make me sound stupid (not hard)
the line goes
The letter arrives like a bolt from the blue
now presumably that means "somebody" has been for an aids test and is awaiting the results so therefore receiving a letter is hardly going to be a surprise is it
maybe im reading too much into the lyrics sometimes!!!
Oh and I wish they would hurry up and do a gh3 dvd but thats the only thing really
rhyeking
Re: Say It's Not True
The song is about denial. Even if you get tested, you're not going to be mentally or emotionally prepared for the news (unless you have deathwish, which most people I assume don't have). The moment the person faces the reality of their situation, their old life is over.
"The letter arrives, like a bolt from the blue" is an odd simile, but it gets the idea across: Seemingly struck down in your prime.
The song is about denial. Even if you get tested, you're not going to be mentally or emotionally prepared for the news (unless you have deathwish, which most people I assume don't have). The moment the person faces the reality of their situation, their old life is over.
"The letter arrives, like a bolt from the blue" is an odd simile, but it gets the idea across: Seemingly struck down in your prime.
rousian
While it is a dumb subject, seriously..the only thing that bugged me
about Queen, was 'that Brian & Roger didn't sing lead enough! And
that John should've sang a few leads whether he could or not. I think he
would've sounded amazing had he sang 'You're my Best Friend at
Freddie's tribute!
What is bugging me NOW about Queen is that Brian & Roger don't seem
to realize that they can go out on their own as Queen & not have a
lead singer when they are perfectly capable of singing between them .
The fact that they haven't played the songs that they sang lead on live
lately is really lame. Everyone out there wants to hear them & knows
their songs. They believe we don't, or they are being told that &
they believe it!. That bugs me!! Hopefully they can come back as Queen
& be Queen without anyone but Queen members!
thanx!
can't see post, re-did it, plus JAZZ is the BEST QUEEN ALBUM!!
about Queen, was 'that Brian & Roger didn't sing lead enough! And
that John should've sang a few leads whether he could or not. I think he
would've sounded amazing had he sang 'You're my Best Friend at
Freddie's tribute!
What is bugging me NOW about Queen is that Brian & Roger don't seem
to realize that they can go out on their own as Queen & not have a
lead singer when they are perfectly capable of singing between them .
The fact that they haven't played the songs that they sang lead on live
lately is really lame. Everyone out there wants to hear them & knows
their songs. They believe we don't, or they are being told that &
they believe it!. That bugs me!! Hopefully they can come back as Queen
& be Queen without anyone but Queen members!
thanx!
can't see post, re-did it, plus JAZZ is the BEST QUEEN ALBUM!!
rousian
Amazon
ThomasQuinn wrote: "There is one thing (except for the way "Hot Space" was produced and orchestrated) that truly bothers, no, annoys me about Queen, and that is the fact that they played Sun City. There is no excuse. Saying "yeah, but we're not political" is a pathetic excuse - they wouldn't have played Nazi Germany, I presume. And yes, the comparison is legitimate, because all presidents of South Africa from the start of apartheid until the De Klerk had been convicted during World War II for collaborating with the nazi-regime. Pieter Botha, president when Queen played Sun City, was an ex-member of Ossewabrandwag, the (illegal) South African national-socialist and pro-German organization during WWII."
I completely agree. There are things about Queen which annoy me (Roger's having too many songs as lead singer during the 70's and also as writer, The Cosmos Rocks, the musical), but the one thing which upsets me is indeed that they played Sun City. For a group which has (unjustly) been accused of being fascist, it was a shocking decision to make; and quite frankly, the rationalisations for it are IMO garbage. Apparently they wanted to see what it was like. Give me a break! They shouldn't have done it, and while I don't think it's a hanging offence, it certainly does not make me proud that my favourite artist would do something like this.
BTW, in regards to comments made earlier, I consider Queen (particularly Freddie) to have been among the greatest lyricists of all time. I also don't regard MIH to be unethical at all since IMO it was a proper Queen album and was arguably Queen's last proper album.
I completely agree. There are things about Queen which annoy me (Roger's having too many songs as lead singer during the 70's and also as writer, The Cosmos Rocks, the musical), but the one thing which upsets me is indeed that they played Sun City. For a group which has (unjustly) been accused of being fascist, it was a shocking decision to make; and quite frankly, the rationalisations for it are IMO garbage. Apparently they wanted to see what it was like. Give me a break! They shouldn't have done it, and while I don't think it's a hanging offence, it certainly does not make me proud that my favourite artist would do something like this.
BTW, in regards to comments made earlier, I consider Queen (particularly Freddie) to have been among the greatest lyricists of all time. I also don't regard MIH to be unethical at all since IMO it was a proper Queen album and was arguably Queen's last proper album.
rhyeking
I believe Queen disagreed with the effectiveness of the cultural boycott of South Africa. They gave it a lot of thought and did it for the fans. Not everyone in South Africa supported apartheid. Saying they'd play for Nazi Germany implies that everyone in Germany at the time was a Nazi and supported the government.
What Queen did was demonstatre that an ethnically diverse band could stand united before fans living in a country ruled by racists and lead by example. It was subversive to the government and an attempt at positively demostrating the power of art and music as a force for change.
It's not my place to say whether it was right or wrong. I simply understand why they did it.
What Queen did was demonstatre that an ethnically diverse band could stand united before fans living in a country ruled by racists and lead by example. It was subversive to the government and an attempt at positively demostrating the power of art and music as a force for change.
It's not my place to say whether it was right or wrong. I simply understand why they did it.
Benn
Rhyeking,
Yes - that's exactly it. Although naive in the extreme, they played out of a desire to assist change and as has been widely reported, they played to mixed audiences which, I believe, was a contract clause with the promoter at the time.
Yes - that's exactly it. Although naive in the extreme, they played out of a desire to assist change and as has been widely reported, they played to mixed audiences which, I believe, was a contract clause with the promoter at the time.
Amazon
rhyeking wrote: "I believe Queen disagreed with the effectiveness of the cultural boycott of South Africa. They gave it a lot of thought and did it for the fans. Not everyone in South Africa supported apartheid. Saying they'd play for Nazi Germany implies that everyone in Germany at the time was a Nazi and supported the government."
No, not every German was a Nazi or supported the regime, although many benefitted from it. The thing is however that both regimes (Nazism and apartheid) was based on racial superiority of one group over another.
"What Queen did was demonstatre that an ethnically diverse band could stand united before fans living in a country ruled by racists and lead by example. It was subversive to the government and an attempt at positively demostrating the power of art and music as a force for change."
Except how many blacks did they perform in front of? I don't mean precise numbers, but wasn't it almost all white?
"It's not my place to say whether it was right or wrong. I simply understand why they did it."
You can say whether you agree with it or not.
No, not every German was a Nazi or supported the regime, although many benefitted from it. The thing is however that both regimes (Nazism and apartheid) was based on racial superiority of one group over another.
"What Queen did was demonstatre that an ethnically diverse band could stand united before fans living in a country ruled by racists and lead by example. It was subversive to the government and an attempt at positively demostrating the power of art and music as a force for change."
Except how many blacks did they perform in front of? I don't mean precise numbers, but wasn't it almost all white?
"It's not my place to say whether it was right or wrong. I simply understand why they did it."
You can say whether you agree with it or not.
rhyeking
Even if they performed in front of an entirely white audience, they'd be showing that a band made up of 3 white Englishmen and a Parsee were unified, and risking a lot to be there. Therein laid the subversion toward the government.
As for my feelings?
Aparteid was evil.
Otherwise, I don't know if what Queen did was right or wrong, effective or not, or if the Cultural Boycott was effective either. I do think think that every individual, then and now, has a choice and should not fear reprisals for standing up against such evils in their own way.
If you choose to shut out a nation because of moral opposition, that is your choice.
If you choose to go there to passively (or aggressively) sew the seeds of dissent against injustice and intolerance, that is also your choice.
As for my feelings?
Aparteid was evil.
Otherwise, I don't know if what Queen did was right or wrong, effective or not, or if the Cultural Boycott was effective either. I do think think that every individual, then and now, has a choice and should not fear reprisals for standing up against such evils in their own way.
If you choose to shut out a nation because of moral opposition, that is your choice.
If you choose to go there to passively (or aggressively) sew the seeds of dissent against injustice and intolerance, that is also your choice.
demonwolf
I love that they played different instruments. Brian's piano playing is very gentle compared to Freddie's, who always had a more rhythmical, staccato approach.
All Dead All Dead is a prime example... lovely, delicate piano playing by Brian. But for Sail Away Sweet Sister, he wanted Freddie's more percussion like piano playing because it fit the song better.
It gives variety! That's the best thing about Queen!
All Dead All Dead is a prime example... lovely, delicate piano playing by Brian. But for Sail Away Sweet Sister, he wanted Freddie's more percussion like piano playing because it fit the song better.
It gives variety! That's the best thing about Queen!
plumrach
@rousain
maybe brian and roger are a little nervous about being front men for Queen for so long they had Freddie at the front and tor them to be lead maybe slightly daunting for them
maybe im wrong maybe im right
maybe brian and roger are a little nervous about being front men for Queen for so long they had Freddie at the front and tor them to be lead maybe slightly daunting for them
maybe im wrong maybe im right