Barry Durex
The BBC sessions were the release, the rest of the crap was butchered bits and pieces - fact.
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The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
all it confirms is they like to butcher releases.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a judgement to me.
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Really, is that all you got?
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I've clearly outlined a logical course of events, and you're clinging to biases and unable to see things on a case by case basis.
You're usually pretty bright, but you're missing the mark here.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
all it confirms is they like to butcher releases.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a judgement to me.
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Really, is that all you got?
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I've clearly outlined a logical course of events, and you're clinging to biases and unable to see things on a case by case basis.
You're usually pretty bright, but you're missing the mark here.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
The BBC sessions were the release, the rest of the crap was butchered bits and pieces - fact.[/QUOTE]
Yes - agreed. But the Golders Green segment is also a BBC recording.
You are choosing to assume that QPL didn't seek a better tape.
I am not.
And I'm also citing the well-known fact that the BBC normally wiped tapes into the early 70s for reuse.
With the quality of the rest of the BBC material, it's clear that QPL did their homework to find the best possible source tapes. Sessions 2 and 4 are far better than what we'd heard before. Why would they work with the BBC to search for tapes and work out distribution of royalties, and then release an inferior version to what they found? It just doesn't make sense.
Sao Paulo, Mannheim, and the interviews were indeed needlessly butchered, but Golders Green had its reasons - they didn't want a song with distortion, and they likely didn't want to deal with royalty issues for the medley of covers.
Try to see the forest through the trees. It all makes sense.
The BBC sessions were the release, the rest of the crap was butchered bits and pieces - fact.[/QUOTE]
Yes - agreed. But the Golders Green segment is also a BBC recording.
You are choosing to assume that QPL didn't seek a better tape.
I am not.
And I'm also citing the well-known fact that the BBC normally wiped tapes into the early 70s for reuse.
With the quality of the rest of the BBC material, it's clear that QPL did their homework to find the best possible source tapes. Sessions 2 and 4 are far better than what we'd heard before. Why would they work with the BBC to search for tapes and work out distribution of royalties, and then release an inferior version to what they found? It just doesn't make sense.
Sao Paulo, Mannheim, and the interviews were indeed needlessly butchered, but Golders Green had its reasons - they didn't want a song with distortion, and they likely didn't want to deal with royalty issues for the medley of covers.
Try to see the forest through the trees. It all makes sense.
Barry Durex
You are missing the mark, that's not what I'm saying at all. My unbiased judgement on the 6 disc set is that it was butchered, but I also believe of course the material used is the best quality they managed to find. My comment saying they like to butcher was in jest. I honestly don't know why they left off the tracks they did, but I do know it's a fragmented mess. None of this confirms the state of the material that is in the archives, which is why I put it to the Archivist earlier in the hope he may enlighten us.
The Real Wizard
re: Sao Paulo and Mannheim:
"They don't like it when small mistakes in the performance are heard."
"They've already released complete shows from those tours, so teasers are good enough since most people will find the full shows boring."
Don't hold your breath for any more than that.
"They don't like it when small mistakes in the performance are heard."
"They've already released complete shows from those tours, so teasers are good enough since most people will find the full shows boring."
Don't hold your breath for any more than that.
Barry Durex
There is never any harm in asking a simple question, no matter how unlikely it is you might get an answer. I happen to know there is a transfer of SWAFIB from Golders Green that sounds about the same quality as the rest of the tracks from On Air. Whether there is an even better transfer in the official archives is still open to debate.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
I happen to know there is a transfer of SWAFIB from Golders Green that sounds about the same quality as the rest of the tracks from On Air.[/QUOTE]
Without the distortion in one channel for the second half of the song?
I happen to know there is a transfer of SWAFIB from Golders Green that sounds about the same quality as the rest of the tracks from On Air.[/QUOTE]
Without the distortion in one channel for the second half of the song?
Barry Durex
Yes, it was on youtube briefly a short while ago but was then removed. I listened to it through headphones on my phone. I can't be the only person who heard it.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
Yes, it was on youtube briefly a short while ago but was then removed. I listened to it through headphones on my phone. I can't be the only person who heard it.[/QUOTE]
Well, if people just want to carrot dangle and delete their videos quickly, then these things may as well not exist at all.
Not the first time, and not the last.
Yes, it was on youtube briefly a short while ago but was then removed. I listened to it through headphones on my phone. I can't be the only person who heard it.[/QUOTE]
Well, if people just want to carrot dangle and delete their videos quickly, then these things may as well not exist at all.
Not the first time, and not the last.
Barry Durex
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Well, if people just want to carrot dangle and delete their videos quickly, then these things may as well not exist at all.
Not the first time, and not the last.
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If you say so. The way I look at it is it's proof of it's existence and I'm glad I at least heard it. There was also a valid reason for it's removal and it was not a carrot dangle in my opinion. I think we've had a similar sort of exchange before and I accept we have a different point of view. What I will say is when you accuse someone of carrot dangling then you should be 100% sure you're right, otherwise you have done yourself no favours at all.
Well, if people just want to carrot dangle and delete their videos quickly, then these things may as well not exist at all.
Not the first time, and not the last.
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If you say so. The way I look at it is it's proof of it's existence and I'm glad I at least heard it. There was also a valid reason for it's removal and it was not a carrot dangle in my opinion. I think we've had a similar sort of exchange before and I accept we have a different point of view. What I will say is when you accuse someone of carrot dangling then you should be 100% sure you're right, otherwise you have done yourself no favours at all.
dysan
The BBC wiping tapes / Queen having great master copies = Queen recorded their early BBC sessions completely at Trident and presented them as done at the BBC
As evidenced by being able to 'remix' the BBC SWAFIB on the 2011 version of QII.
As evidenced by being able to 'remix' the BBC SWAFIB on the 2011 version of QII.
aristide1
As the rabbi said: You're both right. Because thankfully you are both using the private logic of the enthusiast fan. But when someone is on a payroll or under a contract, maybe fulfilling the deadline or going home earlier is more important than finding the best copy.
Read Steve Hoffman awkward statement about his 2015 Queen vinyl remasters. He "had to do" the job that way because he used an old crappy 24/96 old restoration software (at least that's what I understand reading between the lines). The strange thing is that he is also right, he couldn't master 10,000 albums if he didn't stick to some kind of routine.
So, don't expect miracles from hired people working from 9 to 5 (if you don't agree with me you are right too).
Read Steve Hoffman awkward statement about his 2015 Queen vinyl remasters. He "had to do" the job that way because he used an old crappy 24/96 old restoration software (at least that's what I understand reading between the lines). The strange thing is that he is also right, he couldn't master 10,000 albums if he didn't stick to some kind of routine.
So, don't expect miracles from hired people working from 9 to 5 (if you don't agree with me you are right too).
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Barry Durex wrote:[/b]
What I will say is when you accuse someone of carrot dangling then you should be 100% sure you're right, otherwise you have done yourself no favours at all.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps. But if they have the time to put it onto youtube, quickly take it down, and post it nowhere else ever again, you can be pretty sure it's carrot dangling.
What I will say is when you accuse someone of carrot dangling then you should be 100% sure you're right, otherwise you have done yourself no favours at all.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps. But if they have the time to put it onto youtube, quickly take it down, and post it nowhere else ever again, you can be pretty sure it's carrot dangling.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]
Read Steve Hoffman awkward statement about his 2015 Queen vinyl remasters. He "had to do" the job that way because he used an old crappy 24/96 old restoration software (at least that's what I understand reading between the lines). The strange thing is that he is also right, he couldn't master 10,000 albums if he didn't stick to some kind of routine.
So, don't expect miracles from hired people working from 9 to 5 (if you don't agree with me you are right too).[/QUOTE]
If that's how busy these guys are and they're not able to do a decent job due to time constraints and/or apathy, then the obvious answer would be to hire different people. There is no shortage of qualified recording engineers looking for work.
Read Steve Hoffman awkward statement about his 2015 Queen vinyl remasters. He "had to do" the job that way because he used an old crappy 24/96 old restoration software (at least that's what I understand reading between the lines). The strange thing is that he is also right, he couldn't master 10,000 albums if he didn't stick to some kind of routine.
So, don't expect miracles from hired people working from 9 to 5 (if you don't agree with me you are right too).[/QUOTE]
If that's how busy these guys are and they're not able to do a decent job due to time constraints and/or apathy, then the obvious answer would be to hire different people. There is no shortage of qualified recording engineers looking for work.
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I have only ever removed one YouTube clip from the 257 on my channel since starting it, and now I am a carrot dangler?
Never mind all the shares I made on QZ over the years.
Like I already told you, I gave the tape to my Son and It didn't seem right to leave it on YouTube.
He has now said he doesn't mind if I re-post a YouTube clip, so that's me all square with my carrots now.
Oh, and please feel free to share everything you are holding back, for whatever reason.
YouTube would be fine by me, better to at least see or hear it there rather than not at all eh?
Never mind all the shares I made on QZ over the years.
Like I already told you, I gave the tape to my Son and It didn't seem right to leave it on YouTube.
He has now said he doesn't mind if I re-post a YouTube clip, so that's me all square with my carrots now.
Oh, and please feel free to share everything you are holding back, for whatever reason.
YouTube would be fine by me, better to at least see or hear it there rather than not at all eh?