Sebastian
And now both real and programmed for the entire song.
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cmsdrums
Cheers Seb - I look forward to checking these out later!
Fireplace
Seb, could you give me a clue as to what drum machine was used on Machines/Back To Humans?
Sebastian
I'm assuming Linn LM-1 for 'Hot Space', LinnDrum (aka Linn LM-2) for 'The Works', Linn 9000 for 'Magic' and 'The Miracle' and the drum sounds from the Korg M1 for 'Innuendo' and perhaps 'Made in Heaven' (at least 'Mother Love').
Fireplace
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
I'm assuming Linn LM-1 for 'Hot Space', LinnDrum (aka Linn LM-2) for 'The Works', Linn 9000 for 'Magic' and 'The Miracle' and the drum sounds from the Korg M1 for 'Innuendo' and perhaps 'Made in Heaven' (at least 'Mother Love').[/QUOTE]
Thanks, you're a gem!
I'm assuming Linn LM-1 for 'Hot Space', LinnDrum (aka Linn LM-2) for 'The Works', Linn 9000 for 'Magic' and 'The Miracle' and the drum sounds from the Korg M1 for 'Innuendo' and perhaps 'Made in Heaven' (at least 'Mother Love').[/QUOTE]
Thanks, you're a gem!
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
(...)
The Game: - Dragon Attack IS Roger playing, but only a couple of bars which are then copied and looped over and over.
.[/QUOTE]
That was a great post cmsdrums, all of it!
I´m just highlighting this bit, because i think you meant to say "Another one bites to dust" instead of "Dragon Attack".
(...)
The Game: - Dragon Attack IS Roger playing, but only a couple of bars which are then copied and looped over and over.
.[/QUOTE]
That was a great post cmsdrums, all of it!
I´m just highlighting this bit, because i think you meant to say "Another one bites to dust" instead of "Dragon Attack".
Sebastian
Actually, both of Roger's songs on that album, plus both 'Dust' and 'Dragon', are based on loops. Roger did play a live backing track on Freddie's songs, on 'Save Me', 'Sail Away Sweet Sister' and on 'Need Your Loving Tonight', and of course he overdubbed his drum solo on top of the looped part on 'Dragon Attack.'
Queen recorded percussion in quite a few different ways:
* Live, usually with bass and either guitar or piano. That was their No 1 approach in the early days, and also used occasionally afterwards (e.g., 'Was It All Worth It'). No metronomes used, so if they all got slightly slower or quicker, they'd do it together, which is far better than machines.
* Overdubbed on top of either a loop or more percussion. Examples abound: the extra snare on 'Bo Rhap' (fanfare section), the tambourine on 'Keep Yourself Alive', most handclaps, the solo on 'Dragon Attack', etc.
* Roger played the beat for a few bars and then got looped: 'Coming Soon', 'Rock It', 'Dragon Attack', 'Another One Bites the Dust', possibly 'Fun It.'
* Whoever composed the song used loops/samples from Roger's playing, and then Rog used that as a guide track to play along, then the samples would get wiped out leaving only Roger's live playing: 'The Hero,' and possibly a few others in that era.
* Drum-machines (aka drum-computers): Quite a few songs from 'Hot Space' onwards. Usually programmed by either the author of the song, or by the additional producer. The basic idea would be for Roger to use that as a guide track to record his human drums on top of it and then they'd mix them both (e.g. 'Action This Day' and 'Back Chat'). Sometimes, however, there would be no Roger at all (e.g. 'Body Language' and 'Staying Power'). They could also be used to reinforce existing human drums (e.g. 'I Want It All').
* Synth-generated drums: Sounds come from a keyboard synth instead of the drum computer. Same process as with drum machines. The basic idea would be for Roger to use that as a guide track to record his human drums on top of it and then they'd mix them both (e.g. 'Show Must Go On' and 'Headlong').
There's also a difference, that people often mix up, between drum loops, drum machines, e-drums and synth-drums. They're all quite different from each other.
Queen recorded percussion in quite a few different ways:
* Live, usually with bass and either guitar or piano. That was their No 1 approach in the early days, and also used occasionally afterwards (e.g., 'Was It All Worth It'). No metronomes used, so if they all got slightly slower or quicker, they'd do it together, which is far better than machines.
* Overdubbed on top of either a loop or more percussion. Examples abound: the extra snare on 'Bo Rhap' (fanfare section), the tambourine on 'Keep Yourself Alive', most handclaps, the solo on 'Dragon Attack', etc.
* Roger played the beat for a few bars and then got looped: 'Coming Soon', 'Rock It', 'Dragon Attack', 'Another One Bites the Dust', possibly 'Fun It.'
* Whoever composed the song used loops/samples from Roger's playing, and then Rog used that as a guide track to play along, then the samples would get wiped out leaving only Roger's live playing: 'The Hero,' and possibly a few others in that era.
* Drum-machines (aka drum-computers): Quite a few songs from 'Hot Space' onwards. Usually programmed by either the author of the song, or by the additional producer. The basic idea would be for Roger to use that as a guide track to record his human drums on top of it and then they'd mix them both (e.g. 'Action This Day' and 'Back Chat'). Sometimes, however, there would be no Roger at all (e.g. 'Body Language' and 'Staying Power'). They could also be used to reinforce existing human drums (e.g. 'I Want It All').
* Synth-generated drums: Sounds come from a keyboard synth instead of the drum computer. Same process as with drum machines. The basic idea would be for Roger to use that as a guide track to record his human drums on top of it and then they'd mix them both (e.g. 'Show Must Go On' and 'Headlong').
There's also a difference, that people often mix up, between drum loops, drum machines, e-drums and synth-drums. They're all quite different from each other.
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
(...)
The Game: - Dragon Attack IS Roger playing, but only a couple of bars which are then copied and looped over and over.
.[/QUOTE]
That was a great post cmsdrums, all of it!
I´m just highlighting this bit, because i think you meant to say "Another one bites to dust" instead of "Dragon Attack".
[/QUOTE]
I think Seb has already answered for me, but yes, Roger's playing is looped on both 'Another One Bites The Dust' AND 'Dragon Attack'!
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
(...)
The Game: - Dragon Attack IS Roger playing, but only a couple of bars which are then copied and looped over and over.
.[/QUOTE]
That was a great post cmsdrums, all of it!
I´m just highlighting this bit, because i think you meant to say "Another one bites to dust" instead of "Dragon Attack".
[/QUOTE]
I think Seb has already answered for me, but yes, Roger's playing is looped on both 'Another One Bites The Dust' AND 'Dragon Attack'!
ludwigs
As is BM's guitar and Deacy's bass. During the vocal parts/verses you can still hear the bass and guitar pattern continue but obviously turned way down (Maybe tape bleed??)
Appears to be a 3 cycle loop.
The guitar pattern starts and at the end of the phrase - a brief feedback squeak, 2nd time a strings palm-mute double hit and third one nothing - this repeats throughout the song.
Appears to be a 3 cycle loop.
The guitar pattern starts and at the end of the phrase - a brief feedback squeak, 2nd time a strings palm-mute double hit and third one nothing - this repeats throughout the song.
mooghead
Kudos to Roger for playing Dragon Attack all the way through live... his right wrist must have been killing by the end... not a problem I have as my right wrist gets plenty of exercise....
Oscar J
Dragon attack isn't all that bad - check out Modern Times Rock'n Roll from March's Rainbow and watch him pulling faces. Close to SCC tempo, but he insists on doing 8ths in the verses.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
(...)
The Game: - Dragon Attack IS Roger playing, but only a couple of bars which are then copied and looped over and over.
.[/QUOTE]
That was a great post cmsdrums, all of it!
I´m just highlighting this bit, because i think you meant to say "Another one bites to dust" instead of "Dragon Attack".
[/QUOTE]
I think Seb has already answered for me, but yes, Roger's playing is looped on both 'Another One Bites The Dust' AND 'Dragon Attack'! [/QUOTE]
Well, in that case, i stand corrected! I only heard Mack saying that about AOBTD.
Thank you and Sebastian for the clarification.
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
(...)
The Game: - Dragon Attack IS Roger playing, but only a couple of bars which are then copied and looped over and over.
.[/QUOTE]
That was a great post cmsdrums, all of it!
I´m just highlighting this bit, because i think you meant to say "Another one bites to dust" instead of "Dragon Attack".
[/QUOTE]
I think Seb has already answered for me, but yes, Roger's playing is looped on both 'Another One Bites The Dust' AND 'Dragon Attack'! [/QUOTE]
Well, in that case, i stand corrected! I only heard Mack saying that about AOBTD.
Thank you and Sebastian for the clarification.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
Kudos to Roger for playing Dragon Attack all the way through live... his right wrist must have been killing by the end... not a problem I have as my right wrist gets plenty of exercise....[/QUOTE]
And that was the reason i thought Dragon Attack was played by Roger in the studio. I remember one old interview from Roger when he stated that Dragon Attack was one of the most difficult songs for him to play live (in the old days), because it was very hard for his right wrist.
I don´t know if you read the same interview but you made a very good observation.
Kudos to Roger for playing Dragon Attack all the way through live... his right wrist must have been killing by the end... not a problem I have as my right wrist gets plenty of exercise....[/QUOTE]
And that was the reason i thought Dragon Attack was played by Roger in the studio. I remember one old interview from Roger when he stated that Dragon Attack was one of the most difficult songs for him to play live (in the old days), because it was very hard for his right wrist.
I don´t know if you read the same interview but you made a very good observation.
Sebastian
There are quite a few songs Roger played all throughout live but which were partly, chiefly or sometimes even exclusively loops, machines or synths in the studio:
* Dragon Attack
* Another One Bites the Dust
* Rock It
* Staying Power
* Back Chat
* Body Language
* Action This Day
* Radio Ga Ga
* I Want to Break Free
* One Vision (possibly?)
* A Kind of Magic
* Friends Will Be Friends
* The Show Must Go On
I've still got my doubts about 'Days of Our Lives' and 'Ride the Wild Wind'. At different points of my life, I've been convinced they're all programmed, or all live, or a bit of each, but I'm still unsure.
* Dragon Attack
* Another One Bites the Dust
* Rock It
* Staying Power
* Back Chat
* Body Language
* Action This Day
* Radio Ga Ga
* I Want to Break Free
* One Vision (possibly?)
* A Kind of Magic
* Friends Will Be Friends
* The Show Must Go On
I've still got my doubts about 'Days of Our Lives' and 'Ride the Wild Wind'. At different points of my life, I've been convinced they're all programmed, or all live, or a bit of each, but I'm still unsure.
ploughman
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
There are quite a few songs Roger played all throughout live but which were partly, chiefly or sometimes even exclusively loops, machines or synths in the studio:
* Dragon Attack
* Another One Bites the Dust
* Rock It
* Staying Power
* Back Chat
* Body Language
* Action This Day
* Radio Ga Ga
* I Want to Break Free
* One Vision (possibly?)
* A Kind of Magic
* Friends Will Be Friends
* The Show Must Go On
I've still got my doubts about 'Days of Our Lives' and 'Ride the Wild Wind'. At different points of my life, I've been convinced they're all programmed, or all live, or a bit of each, but I'm still unsure.[/QUOTE]
Most of the Works songs are drum machines, like Radio GaGa, Break Free. Also Friends will be Friends is a programmed drum pattern.
One Vision and Show Must Go On are live drums.
I think the weird drum sound on One Vision is coming from the AMS delay machine which they used to generate samples on top of the snare (LinnDrum or 909 samples). Also the middle bit is programmed (or more likely played usng drum pads). It is a wild drum loop of conga sunds from LinnDrum. I have the same samples and they are perfect match.
Show Must Go on is done by David Richrads and it is definitely samples on bot kick and snare. Again AMS delay triggering LinnDrum. On the transitions from verse to chorus there are extra drumsamples playing the fills. A little bit like during I want it All (going from the second verse to second prechorus)
There are quite a few songs Roger played all throughout live but which were partly, chiefly or sometimes even exclusively loops, machines or synths in the studio:
* Dragon Attack
* Another One Bites the Dust
* Rock It
* Staying Power
* Back Chat
* Body Language
* Action This Day
* Radio Ga Ga
* I Want to Break Free
* One Vision (possibly?)
* A Kind of Magic
* Friends Will Be Friends
* The Show Must Go On
I've still got my doubts about 'Days of Our Lives' and 'Ride the Wild Wind'. At different points of my life, I've been convinced they're all programmed, or all live, or a bit of each, but I'm still unsure.[/QUOTE]
Most of the Works songs are drum machines, like Radio GaGa, Break Free. Also Friends will be Friends is a programmed drum pattern.
One Vision and Show Must Go On are live drums.
I think the weird drum sound on One Vision is coming from the AMS delay machine which they used to generate samples on top of the snare (LinnDrum or 909 samples). Also the middle bit is programmed (or more likely played usng drum pads). It is a wild drum loop of conga sunds from LinnDrum. I have the same samples and they are perfect match.
Show Must Go on is done by David Richrads and it is definitely samples on bot kick and snare. Again AMS delay triggering LinnDrum. On the transitions from verse to chorus there are extra drumsamples playing the fills. A little bit like during I want it All (going from the second verse to second prechorus)