So far the strategy seemed to be adding some rare but to collectors already known tracks to the new album re-releases while keeping the real goodies for a box set. The additions for the albums 2 to ADATR look exactly like following this pattern.
But what is strange is the choice of the DeLane Lea recordings for the first album. As those would have been the perfect openers for a box set. Besides those the archive cannot have too many other finished recordings. Also according to Roger Taylor they rarely did demos at all. And the few worthy outtakes were already used for "Made in Heaven".
So the question comes up - is the box set dead? Is there anything left apart from some alternate mixes and unfinished studio sessions ?
Thistle · Member since
It was dead ten years ago, as soon as they mentioned it.
brians wig · Member since
How can you say that the "few worthy outtakes were used for MIH"? They didn't have a clue what they had back then, which is why GB was later hired to trawl through the archives. Christ, at the Princes Trust Concert this year, Brian couldn't even remember playing "Seven Seas Of Rhye" on and off for Queen's entire touring career, never mind forgetting he played "It's A Hard Life" for a full tour in 1984 & 1985. What chance do you think they had of knowing what was in their archives?
It's about time people let go of this fantasy that Queen have nothing of worth in their archives because there was sparse new songs on an album that was worked on 16 years ago!
Soundfreak · Member since
It's about time people let go of this fantasy that Queen have nothing of worth in their archives because there was sparse new songs on an album that was worked on 16 years ago! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
This is not a fantasy - the fantasy is that there is an archive full of worthy recordings....
Vali · Member since
Soundfreak wrote: It's about time people let go of this fantasy that Queen have nothing of worth in their archives because there was sparse new songs on an album that was worked on 16 years ago! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
This is not a fantasy - the fantasy is that there is an archive full of worthy recordings....
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No, that is not fantasy - the fantasy is that some fans live in the fantasy of making believe the fans believing there are worthy recordings in the archive that the world ended after MIH because "everything had to be there". THAT is real fantasy !
Mmm.. did I mention the word "FANTASY" anywhere? ;)
Soundfreak · Member since
Roger Taylor on german radio on monday denying the question if the bonus tracks are just an appetizer for a box set and if there is still some stuff left in the archive.
"I didn’t think there was much more stuff … as far as I’m aware there’s really not much that I am, that I’m not aware of, you know."
pittrek · Member since
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Soundfreak wrote:[/QUOTENAME] Roger Taylor on german radio on monday denying the question if the bonus tracks are just an appetizer for a box set and if there is still some stuff left in the archive.
[QUOTE]"I didn’t think there was much more stuff … as far as I’m aware there’s really not much that I am, that I’m not aware of, you know."[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
Well f*** them :-( Why exactly did they hire an archivist if they don't know after so many years what do they have in their archives ?
ole-the-first · Member since
If they haven't got nothing more in archives, what was presented on conventions?
All known demo stuff runs longer than 5 hours. Add BBC sessions, some pre-Queen stuff and acapellas/instrumantals/multitrack downmixes. I think it's enough for the box set.
john bodega · Member since
What's it going to take to get some good product released? I want GVH3 already - what do I have to do? Kill one badger every day until there's an announcement?
Queenman!! · Member since
Soundfreak wrote: So far the strategy seemed to be adding some rare but to collectors already known tracks to the new album re-releases while keeping the real goodies for a box set. The additions for the albums 2 to ADATR look exactly like following this pattern.
But what is strange is the choice of the DeLane Lea recordings for the first album. As those would have been the perfect openers for a box set. Besides those the archive cannot have too many other finished recordings. Also according to Roger Taylor they rarely did demos at all. And the few worthy outtakes were already used for "Made in Heaven".
So the question comes up - is the box set dead? Is there anything left apart from some alternate mixes and unfinished studio sessions ? ====== Let's make a difference between demo's and unfinished songs. According to the interview with Queen in 'Queen for an Hour BBC' Freddie said the pre-recordings, demo's and or songs for the Miracle album had been a succesfull period. They had about thirty or forty songs. So this means there must be lot of unfinished songs lying around with just a guitar part or a few vocal parts. But.....David Richards also told that Freddie, except for the MIH album, almost waited till a song was finished instrumentally before he put his vocals on the tape.
bigV · Member since
A couple of notes... Brian May has gone on record saying that "Let Me Out" is an old song, which probably means that it was demoed to some extent by Queen. Also, on the Soapbox he mentioned a song called "The Green Parade"... My point is that there must be a lot in the archives that we have no way of knowing about. I'm guessing that the demos that have surfaced on the Internet over the years are less than one-third of all that's in the archives, maybe even less than that.
Don't go comparing the Freddie collection to the future Queen box set - Freddie was notoriously sloppy with his recordings and threw a lot of stuff away, but still there was enough to make a 10 disc collection (and still about two dozen tracks were left out). Brian and John (and Roger to a lesser degree) are much more anal (for want of a better word) about their archives. Believe me when I tell you that there will be more than enough for a box set, but only if they are smart enough to do it right.
V.
Soundfreak · Member since
Quote Big V: Believe me when I tell you that there will be more than enough for a box set, but only if they are smart enough to do it right.
It's quite funny when people on the outside pretend to know more than the people on the inside.
When Roger Taylor definitely says, that there is nothing left (apart from maybe some unfinished sessions or alternate mixes of well known tracks) who are you to say "Believe me when I tell you there will be more than enough for a box set...." ???
ole-the-first · Member since
Soundfreak wrote: Quote Big V: Believe me when I tell you that there will be more than enough for a box set, but only if they are smart enough to do it right.
It's quite funny when people on the outside pretend to know more than the people on the inside.
When Roger Taylor definitely says, that there is nothing left (apart from maybe some unfinished sessions or alternate mixes of well known tracks) who are you to say "Believe me when I tell you there will be more than enough for a box set...." ???
=================== Okay, I am outside and I know what could be released on deluxe editions:
Great King Rat (Take 1) Great King Rat (Take 4) Polar Bear Keep Yourself Alive (BBC Session 2) Liar (BBC Session 2) Son and Daughter (BBC Session 2) Modern Times Rock'n'Roll (BBC Session 4)
Nevermore (Instrumental Demo) The March of the Black Queen (Takes 3 — 5) Funny How Love Is (Takes 3 — 5) White Queen (BBC Session 4) See What a Fool I've Been (BBC Session 2 Original Mix)
Brighton Rock (Early Demo) Tenement Funster (Instrumental Demo) Flick of the Wrist (Intro Demo) Flick of the Wrist (Instrumental Demo) In the Lap of the Gods... Revisited (Early Take) Now I'm Here (BBC Session 5) Stone Cold Crazy (BBC Session 5)
Tie Your Mother Down (Demo) You Take My Breath Away (Intro Demo) Long Away (Instrumental Demo) Somebody to Love (Vocal Outtakes) Somebody to Love (Instrumental Outtakes)
Am I wrong?
Pim Derks · Member since
I can't believe that some people actually believe that there is almost nothing in the archives. If there's a fucking tape of Freddie with the Hectics from the late 50's or early 60's and there are recordings of pretty much every pre-Queen band - do you really think there is nothing more left from (e.g.) A Night At The Opera than an instrumental remix of YMBF and a new remix of IILWMC?
There are tons of recordings out there. If it will ever get released is of course a totally different point.
Thistle · Member since
Soundfreak wrote: Quote Big V: Believe me when I tell you that there will be more than enough for a box set, but only if they are smart enough to do it right.
It's quite funny when people on the outside pretend to know more than the people on the inside.
When Roger Taylor definitely says, that there is nothing left (apart from maybe some unfinished sessions or alternate mixes of well known tracks) who are you to say "Believe me when I tell you there will be more than enough for a box set...." ???
He's the guy who knows what stuff is out there, just as you and I do - so if you add that to stuff we DONT know about, then you have a boxset. Just to let you understand, I made my OWN set just the other night - it made 10 discs easily, and I don't even have some of the stuff that other collectors have. As an illustration, my set was like this:
Discs 1-2: Pre Queen (Reaction/ Left Handed Marriage/ Ibex/ Wreckage/ 1984/ Smile) Disc 3: 70s Demos (From what I know of, I.e Polar Bear/ Silver Salmon/ MOTBQ/ FHLI/ Killer Queen/ umpteen snippets from Bo Rhap.....) Disc 4-5: BBC Sessions Disc 6: 80s Demos Disc 7: 90s Demos onwards Disc 8: Remixes Disc 9: Rare Solo Disc 10: Rare Live
Granted, some of this is filler, like the live stuff - but if I had even half the stuff I know is there demo-wise, it would easily replace those (I didn't put the convention recordings in, but would have if they were better in quality). This makes around 11 hours of listening.
